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Nalod
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12/9/2021  3:45 PM
franco12 wrote:
martin wrote:
franco12 wrote:
martin wrote:I don't know why every coach in the NBA doesn't tell their players to be high IQ and play like the GSW

what is the game high in assists for a player under Thibs?

Chris Duhon got 22 assists playing under MDA

What would he do, same circumstances, under Thibs? BE HONEST.

Is Chris Duhon heading to the HOF?

Coaches matter.

Fair question to ask about MDA & defense.

What does this even mean?

I thought I made a really good illustrative point to your question which seemed to be kinda mocking.

Why doesn't every NBA coach tell their players to be high iq and play like GSW?

Because not every coach can focus and provide the system on offense that enables players to play like GSW.

MDA did with us. He got a super marginal talent like Chris Duhon to pass and create wonderful offense. 22 assists against Golden State.

Could Thibs do that? Seems to me his offense is give it to Randle, let him bowl his way to the basket or a turnover.

If we traded Thibs for MDA, I think it is safe to say our offense would look so much better, we'd probably be scoring a lot more points, Randle would absolutely be the center, he'd probably start Kemba, Fournier and IQ with RJ as the PF.

Now - we'd then be complaining about the defense. Our record might be worse.

So whats the point? Duhan had a great assist game, and if we play 7 sec or less MDA ball we'd be worse? And that is good? Change for the sake of change?
Is it that simple, ask your players to put higher IQ effort? "ok guys, be smarter out there"!!

Funny thought: "what if Elf really was our glue to success"? LOL..................

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12/9/2021  3:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/9/2021  3:51 PM
martin wrote:
franco12 wrote:
martin wrote:I don't know why every coach in the NBA doesn't tell their players to be high IQ and play like the GSW

what is the game high in assists for a player under Thibs?

Chris Duhon got 22 assists playing under MDA

What would he do, same circumstances, under Thibs? BE HONEST.

Is Chris Duhon heading to the HOF?

Coaches matter.

Fair question to ask about MDA & defense.

What does this even mean?

Probably need to run it through the Isaiah Thomas managerial lens. I'm sure it would make sense to him.

Chris Duhon. It's come to this.

franco12
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12/9/2021  3:55 PM
jrodmc wrote:
martin wrote:
franco12 wrote:
martin wrote:I don't know why every coach in the NBA doesn't tell their players to be high IQ and play like the GSW

what is the game high in assists for a player under Thibs?

Chris Duhon got 22 assists playing under MDA

What would he do, same circumstances, under Thibs? BE HONEST.

Is Chris Duhon heading to the HOF?

Coaches matter.

Fair question to ask about MDA & defense.

What does this even mean?

Probably need to run it through the Isaiah Thomas managerial lens. I'm sure it would make sense to him.

Chris Duhon. It's come to this.

MDA was able to get tremendous offensive performance out of marginal talent because of his system and I am sure teaching.

Opposite for Thibs, hence the OP starting this thread.

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12/9/2021  3:58 PM
Nalod wrote:
franco12 wrote:
martin wrote:
franco12 wrote:
martin wrote:I don't know why every coach in the NBA doesn't tell their players to be high IQ and play like the GSW

what is the game high in assists for a player under Thibs?

Chris Duhon got 22 assists playing under MDA

What would he do, same circumstances, under Thibs? BE HONEST.

Is Chris Duhon heading to the HOF?

Coaches matter.

Fair question to ask about MDA & defense.

What does this even mean?

I thought I made a really good illustrative point to your question which seemed to be kinda mocking.

Why doesn't every NBA coach tell their players to be high iq and play like GSW?

Because not every coach can focus and provide the system on offense that enables players to play like GSW.

MDA did with us. He got a super marginal talent like Chris Duhon to pass and create wonderful offense. 22 assists against Golden State.

Could Thibs do that? Seems to me his offense is give it to Randle, let him bowl his way to the basket or a turnover.

If we traded Thibs for MDA, I think it is safe to say our offense would look so much better, we'd probably be scoring a lot more points, Randle would absolutely be the center, he'd probably start Kemba, Fournier and IQ with RJ as the PF.

Now - we'd then be complaining about the defense. Our record might be worse.

So whats the point? Duhan had a great assist game, and if we play 7 sec or less MDA ball we'd be worse? And that is good? Change for the sake of change?
Is it that simple, ask your players to put higher IQ effort? "ok guys, be smarter out there"!!

Funny thought: "what if Elf really was our glue to success"? LOL..................

I think our point is Thibs could do with a little more help on the offensive side of the play here. Some of us are growing tired of watching one on one bully ball. The argument that we don't have the talent to play smarter on that side of the ball doesn't hold when you think MDA was able to get great production out of marginal talent.

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12/9/2021  4:03 PM
I think it's a fair point and not an over-criticism of Thibs. He made Lin come alive and found roles for Duhon, Jeffries and several other limited role players. All coaches have strengths and weaknesses. We knew when hiring Thibs that he had a reputation for being stubborn/loyal. We also knew his teams usually played hard, excelled at defense but often struggled to go beyond the 2nd or 3rd rounds. MDA was great at promoting ball movement and also maximized certain talent (eg Nash, Amare) - but struggled to instill a defensive mindset with his players.

I think Thibs is limited on what he can do if he's hitched his wagon to Randle (which I think is true based on he hasn't sat him or called him out despite his standing around). I think Randle would play better with an natural outside shooting guard (vs RJ who's more of a slasher). Just please no swinging for J.Wall or Lillard. I would rather we make no moves and take our lumps and reassess in the offseason... but I think it's very likely some of our younger players will be dealt if things doesn't improve asap.

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12/9/2021  4:08 PM
franco12 wrote:
martin wrote:
franco12 wrote:
martin wrote:I don't know why every coach in the NBA doesn't tell their players to be high IQ and play like the GSW

what is the game high in assists for a player under Thibs?

Chris Duhon got 22 assists playing under MDA

What would he do, same circumstances, under Thibs? BE HONEST.

Is Chris Duhon heading to the HOF?

Coaches matter.

Fair question to ask about MDA & defense.

What does this even mean?

I thought I made a really good illustrative point to your question which seemed to be kinda mocking.

Why doesn't every NBA coach tell their players to be high iq and play like GSW?

Because not every coach can focus and provide the system on offense that enables players to play like GSW.

MDA did with us. He got a super marginal talent like Chris Duhon to pass and create wonderful offense. 22 assists against Golden State.

Could Thibs do that? Seems to me his offense is give it to Randle, let him bowl his way to the basket or a turnover.

If we traded Thibs for MDA, I think it is safe to say our offense would look so much better, we'd probably be scoring a lot more points, Randle would absolutely be the center, he'd probably start Kemba, Fournier and IQ with RJ as the PF.

Now - we'd then be complaining about the defense. Our record might be worse.

His offense has 2 components. First one is give Randle the ball and wait for him to kick out to an open 3 point shooter. The second is a high PnR which results in two possible outcomes ,. sometimes we get an open 3 if the defender goes under. But 9 times out of 10 the pick at the 3 point line results in our guard getting into the paint. Very rarely do we see that guard kicking it out. That's the whole damn offense. Sick of it

Everything you have ever wanted is on the other side of fear- George Adair
jrodmc
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12/9/2021  4:14 PM
franco12 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
martin wrote:
franco12 wrote:
martin wrote:I don't know why every coach in the NBA doesn't tell their players to be high IQ and play like the GSW

what is the game high in assists for a player under Thibs?

Chris Duhon got 22 assists playing under MDA

What would he do, same circumstances, under Thibs? BE HONEST.

Is Chris Duhon heading to the HOF?

Coaches matter.

Fair question to ask about MDA & defense.

What does this even mean?

Probably need to run it through the Isaiah Thomas managerial lens. I'm sure it would make sense to him.

Chris Duhon. It's come to this.

MDA was able to get tremendous offensive performance out of marginal talent because of his system and I am sure teaching.

Opposite for Thibs, hence the OP starting this thread.

Sure teaching? Teaching what? How to shoot more better? How to miss with greater quantity? Not standing around on D because you don't bother to play any?

Haven't we seen this show already? Miss those snarky postgame pressers that much, do you?

Is this some sort of "I sure miss Linsanity!" protest march?

THIBS HAS TO CHANGE HIS WAYS IF HE WANTS TO LAST

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