Knixkik wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Miles Turner is the one if I’m rose would go after. He opens the floor for Randle to operate. How many times is Randle working down low and Mitch walks right into his lane disrupting the flow . Adding turner gives Randle another shooter to pass out to .

Mitch, knox, two first should get the job done… would you still consider a trade if Indy asks for obi instead of knox? I love obi that would be hard to chew.

Turner with Thibs is a match made in heaven. Great player to put next to Randle and will be the defensive anchor Thibs badly wants without sacrificing on the offensive end. He’s a good corner 3pt shooter too. Knicks can get him without dealing Toppin or IQ. It’s just a matter of how many draft picks they’re willing to give up. He’s not the final piece by any means so it can’t be too many. Is he a big enough splash for the Knicks brass or will they hold all the chips until Lillard or Fox become available ? Turner can easily be had but the other stuff is what it comes down to.

Forget Lillard. Kemba right now is what Lillard will be in 2 years

blkexec wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:This is weird. I just realized that I don't want our rookies traded. Like I think Grimes and McBride are better than Brogdon and Lavert.
Turner wins DPOY under Thibs if he can stay healthy. Sabonis and Randle are basically the same player. Sabonis is a better rebounder. Sabonis is more of a finesse player, I honestly like his game just a little better.

I think Sabonis would be a good fit, because he doesn't demand the ball or need to pound the ball a hundred times, to impact the game. I believe he's a better passer as well. Randle is a bully in the post. Can't be stopped 1 on 1. But he needs the right team and coach to be successful. Sabonis is not as talented at scoring like Randle. Neither is Turner. But they both play their roles and don't rely on ISO plays to impact the game. I haven't watched the pacers as much as the knicks, so I could be wrong. But that's my assessment based on the pacers game I did watch.

Sabonis for RJ straight up. Make it happen Rose

blkexec wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:This is weird. I just realized that I don't want our rookies traded. Like I think Grimes and McBride are better than Brogdon and Lavert.
Turner wins DPOY under Thibs if he can stay healthy. Sabonis and Randle are basically the same player. Sabonis is a better rebounder. Sabonis is more of a finesse player, I honestly like his game just a little better.

I think Sabonis would be a good fit, because he doesn't demand the ball or need to pound the ball a hundred times, to impact the game. I believe he's a better passer as well. Randle is a bully in the post. Can't be stopped 1 on 1. But he needs the right team and coach to be successful. Sabonis is not as talented at scoring like Randle. Neither is Turner. But they both play their roles and don't rely on ISO plays to impact the game. I haven't watched the pacers as much as the knicks, so I could be wrong. But that's my assessment based on the pacers game I did watch.

From watching Sabonis play against us his assists are different from Randle. Sabonis does not break down the D by bulling his way I to the paint and then kick it to the 3 point shooter, like Randle. Sabonis is more old school , give and go, behind the back in the paint type of stuff, feeding it to a backdoor cutter. Better passer but he needs an offensive scheme, unlike Randle who you can just dump the ball to and watch going to work ISO

ramtour420 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:This is weird. I just realized that I don't want our rookies traded. Like I think Grimes and McBride are better than Brogdon and Lavert.
Turner wins DPOY under Thibs if he can stay healthy. Sabonis and Randle are basically the same player. Sabonis is a better rebounder. Sabonis is more of a finesse player, I honestly like his game just a little better.

I think Sabonis would be a good fit, because he doesn't demand the ball or need to pound the ball a hundred times, to impact the game. I believe he's a better passer as well. Randle is a bully in the post. Can't be stopped 1 on 1. But he needs the right team and coach to be successful. Sabonis is not as talented at scoring like Randle. Neither is Turner. But they both play their roles and don't rely on ISO plays to impact the game. I haven't watched the pacers as much as the knicks, so I could be wrong. But that's my assessment based on the pacers game I did watch.

From watching Sabonis play against us his assists are different from Randle. Sabonis does not break down the D by bulling his way I to the paint and then kick it to the 3 point shooter, like Randle. Sabonis is more old school , give and go, behind the back in the paint type of stuff, feeding it to a backdoor cutter. Better passer but he needs an offensive scheme, unlike Randle who you can just dump the ball to and watch going to work ISO

Sabonis is excellent. If there’s anyway we can get him here please

If we get Turner we give Mitch, if we get Sabonis we trade Randle. Other pieces im ok to trade are Kemba, knox, evan and some picks.

I want to keep RJ, IQ, obi and all our rookies including Rokus. Am i being greedy if i want LaVert if we include Evan?

I think the knicks are set at the PF for years to come with OBi and Semenic. I think if Thibs can fix Semenic's defense to atleast being playable we have a good player waiting in the GLeague. Making the possibility of loosing Randle not so hard to swallow if the knicks try to get Sabonis

Jimbo5 wrote:Is there a creative three team trade there among the knicks, pacers and portland that would land us Turner or Sabonis and Dame?

If we get Turner we give Mitch, if we get Sabonis we trade Randle. Other pieces im ok to trade are Kemba, knox, evan and some picks.

I want to keep RJ, IQ, obi and all our rookies including Rokus. Am i being greedy if i want LaVert if we include Evan?

I think the knicks are set at the PF for years to come with OBi and Semenic. I think if Thibs can fix Semenic's defense to atleast being playable we have a good player waiting in the GLeague. Making the possibility of loosing Randle not so hard to swallow if the knicks try to get Sabonis

Wait, you would bring Lillard and one of Turner or Sabonis and not include RJ in the trade? Really? If the prices are like that, why not just bring Giannis and Doncic? Let's be a little more realistic. What is the point of such proposals? Why would Indiana and Portland agree to something like that unless they want to help us win the title when they already can’t?

Jmpasq wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

The Indiana Pacers are increasingly open to trading core players - such as either Domantas Sabonis or Myles Turner, and guard Caris LeVert - as part of a large-scale rebuilding effort, sources told The Athletic's Shams Charania and Bob Kravitz.

More to come.

There's at least 2 players i want on their roster Turner or Brogdan..

A rebuild means they will want picks and young players in OBI, IQ, Grimes, Rj, Duece, Mitch, Knox draft picks.

You you can't just offer the worse guys on the knicks and think they will go for it, so who can we sacrifice ?

I wanted them both in the off-season when we could of taken them into cap space. Now to many pieces have to go out to make it work

How? How could this have worked? I don't see this at all.

Brogden makes $21M and Turner is $18M

fishmike wrote:Also people Myles Turner is NOT a great player. He's OK. He totally disappears at times. He's not a high motor guy. He's very average at a lot of things and has pretty much been the same player since coming into the league.

People thinking that Turner is going to move the needle and worth trading picks and kids for are going to be very disappointed. He's a nice role player.

Indy has been underperforming now a few years. Injuries matter, but he is on the block for a reason.
But grass is always greener and fans view change as improvement or at least “Can’t hurt”.

Part of mitch to the second unit was Noel can start and is healthy enough to do so. My guess is Mitch in smaller minutes does not have to conserve his fouls/energy and with the second unit playing at a higher pace, he has to keep up. He has lost weight according to broadcast last night.

I saw that Mitch does play well with high tempo last night. Im not against a Turner trade, but price matters and he is no savior. He looks good against knicks. He has issues with Sabonis and spacing. Sabonis and randle have some similarities I believe. Randle looked good last night in second half. Obi outside shot bricks are keeping him on the bench. that does not mean this will continue thru his career.

I would stay away from panicked moves.

Keep the young guys we have good veterans that can keep helping them get better. Fournier is a tough one right now because he doesn’t fit with the team and Burks is probably a better player.