ToddTT wrote:The Nuggets game sucked. No positive takeaways. Hopefully it’s a turning point.

I think there are a multitude of things wrong with the team and individuals right now…

Mitch and Noel are not healthy.

Randle adjusting to new expectations, new teammates, and distractions like starring in crappy commercials. And teams are very focused on defending his current game. The MIP needed to keep improving.

RJ hitting a wall.

Randle and RJ going left. I’m not sure what improvements either has made to their games since last year.

EF not playing with any consistency. And not hustling on defense as much as the guy he replaced. And man does he make some terrible/weak passes.

Team chemistry ranging from good to dreadful/nonexistent.

Not enough Obi.

I think much of the above is temporary or fixable.

I’m okay if we make a trade. I’m also okay if we do nothing. I look forward to the team figuring things out, and the young guys making an impact.

If we start showing signs, and win games like Christmas day, I’ll be high on the team again.

good summary

Right now we’re super frustrated because we (Rightfully IMO) expected more especially at home and especially from some player who seemed on an upward trajectory

I do expect a trade

Chandler wrote:This is not a blow up situation. There are a lot of good teams right now around 500. Some will get their act together others won’t.

Right now we’re super frustrated because we (Rightfully IMO) expected more especially at home and especially from some player who seemed on an upward trajectory

I do expect a trade

The Cavs are 13 & 10.

The Wizards are 14 & 9.

The Bulls are 16 & 8.

The Heat are 14 & 10.

We were ahead of all of them last year.

All of them made moves and leaped over us.

We made moves and got worse.

Vmart wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Chandler wrote:This is not a blow up situation. There are a lot of good teams right now around 500. Some will get their act together others won’t.

Right now we’re super frustrated because we (Rightfully IMO) expected more especially at home and especially from some player who seemed on an upward trajectory

I do expect a trade

The Cavs are 13 & 10.

The Wizards are 14 & 9.

The Bulls are 16 & 8.

The Heat are 14 & 10.

We were ahead of all of them last year.

All of them made moves and leaped over us.

We made moves and got worse.

The Knicks made moves for losing players and lost winning players. Miami added Lowery a champion and a perennial playoff player. Bulls added Derozan and Ball. Derozan a mid range master and Ball a pass first point that gets everyone involved. Wizards ripped the Lakers off and added players that won a championship just few years ago. Cavs added Rubio a pass first point guard and continue to invest into their future by enhancing youth movement by adding pass first oriented pg. The Knicks invested in Kemba and Fournier. When have these guys ever been about winning. Kenna is on his last leg in the NBA as his knees are not going to hold up he is a defensive liability. Fournier maybe a decent player but he isn’t a winning type player and it’s hard to win with him he is a down grade from Bullock.

We need to get a pass first point guard on the floor. We are running a lineup of Bull, RJ, Mitch, Fouriner, and Randle as the primary ball handler. Has Thibs lost his marbles this team is not going to win unless there is a primary ball handler that gets everyone involved. That is the key to any team that is winning. There is one player that totally sacrifices to get everyone involved.

I don’t think we need a pass first pg- I think a lot of this stems from the system Thibs is trying to implement.

I’m a big fan of Golden State- not trying to be a front runner fan- because I love watching smart offense played. And sure, players are a big part, but I absolutely believe if you traded Thibs for Kerr, our offense would smarten up a lot.

And your professional NBA experience is, what, exactly? As you type in your underwears over a bowl of cheerios?

You know who else you didn't know more than? Mike D'Antoni. Also won 2 COYs. Once before and once after coming here.
Don Cheney
Larry Brown
Don Nelson (twice)
Lenny Wilkins

How many winning coaches do we have to scapegoat?
News flash. It ain't the coach.

Vmart wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Chandler wrote:This is not a blow up situation. There are a lot of good teams right now around 500. Some will get their act together others won’t.

Right now we’re super frustrated because we (Rightfully IMO) expected more especially at home and especially from some player who seemed on an upward trajectory

I do expect a trade

The Cavs are 13 & 10.

The Wizards are 14 & 9.

The Bulls are 16 & 8.

The Heat are 14 & 10.

We were ahead of all of them last year.

All of them made moves and leaped over us.

We made moves and got worse.

The Knicks made moves for losing players and lost winning players. Miami added Lowery a champion and a perennial playoff player. Bulls added Derozan and Ball. Derozan a mid range master and Ball a pass first point that gets everyone involved. Wizards ripped the Lakers off and added players that won a championship just few years ago. Cavs added Rubio a pass first point guard and continue to invest into their future by enhancing youth movement by adding pass first oriented pg. The Knicks invested in Kemba and Fournier. When have these guys ever been about winning. Kenna is on his last leg in the NBA as his knees are not going to hold up he is a defensive liability. Fournier maybe a decent player but he isn’t a winning type player and it’s hard to win with him he is a down grade from Bullock.

We need to get a pass first point guard on the floor. We are running a lineup of Bull, RJ, Mitch, Fouriner, and Randle as the primary ball handler. Has Thibs lost his marbles this team is not going to win unless there is a primary ball handler that gets everyone involved. That is the key to any team that is winning. There is one player that totally sacrifices to get everyone involved.

I don’t think we need a pass first pg- I think a lot of this stems from the system Thibs is trying to implement.

I’m a big fan of Golden State- not trying to be a front runner fan- because I love watching smart offense played. And sure, players are a big part, but I absolutely believe if you traded Thibs for Kerr, our offense would smarten up a lot.

Offense has always been Thibs weakness.

So if you are Leon Rose & Scott Perry, is this a Larry Brown kind of situation, where you sit down with Thibs and say - look, we know some of the guys we brought in had defensive issues (Kemba, Fournier) but honestly, we think there is more potential on the offensive side and we need to think about what we can do, hire another offensive coach, whatever to unlock that?

I didn't think we needed to bench Kemba, just switch up the starting line up.

I'm not crazy about Randle and the poor play and some of his lack of effort. He is looking like a player that got paid and now can just coast on his accomplishments.

Is this film being shown to players? Does Thibs realize this?

franco12 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Chandler wrote:This is not a blow up situation. There are a lot of good teams right now around 500. Some will get their act together others won’t.

Right now we’re super frustrated because we (Rightfully IMO) expected more especially at home and especially from some player who seemed on an upward trajectory

I do expect a trade

The Cavs are 13 & 10.

The Wizards are 14 & 9.

The Bulls are 16 & 8.

The Heat are 14 & 10.

We were ahead of all of them last year.

All of them made moves and leaped over us.

We made moves and got worse.

The Knicks made moves for losing players and lost winning players. Miami added Lowery a champion and a perennial playoff player. Bulls added Derozan and Ball. Derozan a mid range master and Ball a pass first point that gets everyone involved. Wizards ripped the Lakers off and added players that won a championship just few years ago. Cavs added Rubio a pass first point guard and continue to invest into their future by enhancing youth movement by adding pass first oriented pg. The Knicks invested in Kemba and Fournier. When have these guys ever been about winning. Kenna is on his last leg in the NBA as his knees are not going to hold up he is a defensive liability. Fournier maybe a decent player but he isn’t a winning type player and it’s hard to win with him he is a down grade from Bullock.

We need to get a pass first point guard on the floor. We are running a lineup of Bull, RJ, Mitch, Fouriner, and Randle as the primary ball handler. Has Thibs lost his marbles this team is not going to win unless there is a primary ball handler that gets everyone involved. That is the key to any team that is winning. There is one player that totally sacrifices to get everyone involved.

I don’t think we need a pass first pg- I think a lot of this stems from the system Thibs is trying to implement.

I’m a big fan of Golden State- not trying to be a front runner fan- because I love watching smart offense played. And sure, players are a big part, but I absolutely believe if you traded Thibs for Kerr, our offense would smarten up a lot.

Offense has always been Thibs weakness.

So if you are Leon Rose & Scott Perry, is this a Larry Brown kind of situation, where you sit down with Thibs and say - look, we know some of the guys we brought in had defensive issues (Kemba, Fournier) but honestly, we think there is more potential on the offensive side and we need to think about what we can do, hire another offensive coach, whatever to unlock that?

I didn't think we needed to bench Kemba, just switch up the starting line up.

I'm not crazy about Randle and the poor play and some of his lack of effort. He is looking like a player that got paid and now can just coast on his accomplishments.

Is this film being shown to players? Does Thibs realize this?

Yeah benching Kemba and blaming him for everything is looking pretty weak sauce right now.

Knicks can start Burks and have Kemba come off the bench. The guy can shoot and shooting has been our biggest weakness forever

Panos wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Panos wrote:Y'all do realize that Thibs is a quarter of a season away from winning Coach of the Year, right?
Beat out the other 29 NBA coaches.
And lest you think it was a fluke, it was not his first time.

And your professional NBA experience is, what, exactly? As you type in your underwears over a bowl of cheerios?

Thibs needs defensive players two way players. The Knicks added players that are offensive minded but liabilities on the defensive side. We all know Thibs strong point is defense. Offensive creativity was never his strong point. COY should have been given to Monty, Thibs was severely exposed for lack of offensive ingenuity as Hawks exposed him and ran circles around the Knicks. Thins has been in the league for a long time now and basically he is learning a new system of offense and trying to adapt to the game that has left him behind on the offensive end.

The front office failed him just got him the wrong players and the coach is only as good as his players he has to work with. But he does have his weaknesses and right now, his calling card is defense and if the we can’t hold teams down to our offensive capabilities we will be losing a lot more than winning. I hope the defense gets better because I certainly wouldn’t bet on the offense getting better.

The year before Thibs, Knicks were 25 games under .500.
The first year he arrived they were 10 games above in a shorter season.
With essentially the same roster.
The game left him behind. Come on now.

Yeah do these Knicks fans remember the 7 in a row horror show seasons we had to endure from 2013-2020?

The only coach of the previous 5 preceding Thibs i would even remotely consider is Mike Miller

Nalod wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Chandler wrote:This is not a blow up situation. There are a lot of good teams right now around 500. Some will get their act together others won’t.

Right now we’re super frustrated because we (Rightfully IMO) expected more especially at home and especially from some player who seemed on an upward trajectory

I do expect a trade

The Cavs are 13 & 10.

The Wizards are 14 & 9.

The Bulls are 16 & 8.

The Heat are 14 & 10.

We were ahead of all of them last year.

All of them made moves and leaped over us.

We made moves and got worse.

The Knicks made moves for losing players and lost winning players. Miami added Lowery a champion and a perennial playoff player. Bulls added Derozan and Ball. Derozan a mid range master and Ball a pass first point that gets everyone involved. Wizards ripped the Lakers off and added players that won a championship just few years ago. Cavs added Rubio a pass first point guard and continue to invest into their future by enhancing youth movement by adding pass first oriented pg. The Knicks invested in Kemba and Fournier. When have these guys ever been about winning. Kenna is on his last leg in the NBA as his knees are not going to hold up he is a defensive liability. Fournier maybe a decent player but he isn’t a winning type player and it’s hard to win with him he is a down grade from Bullock.

We need to get a pass first point guard on the floor. We are running a lineup of Bull, RJ, Mitch, Fouriner, and Randle as the primary ball handler. Has Thibs lost his marbles this team is not going to win unless there is a primary ball handler that gets everyone involved. That is the key to any team that is winning. There is one player that totally sacrifices to get everyone involved.

I don’t think we need a pass first pg- I think a lot of this stems from the system Thibs is trying to implement.

I’m a big fan of Golden State- not trying to be a front runner fan- because I love watching smart offense played. And sure, players are a big part, but I absolutely believe if you traded Thibs for Kerr, our offense would smarten up a lot.

Offense has always been Thibs weakness.

So if you are Leon Rose & Scott Perry, is this a Larry Brown kind of situation, where you sit down with Thibs and say - look, we know some of the guys we brought in had defensive issues (Kemba, Fournier) but honestly, we think there is more potential on the offensive side and we need to think about what we can do, hire another offensive coach, whatever to unlock that?

I didn't think we needed to bench Kemba, just switch up the starting line up.

I'm not crazy about Randle and the poor play and some of his lack of effort. He is looking like a player that got paid and now can just coast on his accomplishments.

Is this film being shown to players? Does Thibs realize this?

Are you joking? Im mean seriously, you think they don’t have file and no metrics to back up the fans optics?

Kemba out of rotation vs starting is really logical. If Rose is not to start, do you give Kemba Drose’s minutes? No. If Rose goes down we might see Kemba.
Didn’t Thibs open up the offense to start the season?
I can’t tell you all of whats going on as much as you. change Assistant coaches? Is that the problem? Maybe your right, but it can also be an execution issue. And maybe nothing short of a player trade can solve it.
But also a trade could make it worse.
4th seed last season does not validate the current levels of disappointment. Maybe in our eyes it does.
Validaton? Few if any oddsmakers or others predicted we’d meed or exceed last season.
On most of these pages most laughed at Chicago, thought Cavs were still a door mat and the wizards a joke.
ATL “WE’d have won if we had mitch”. Really? Toronto never really goes away and Celts still have two playes better than any of ours. Charlotte is not a complete suprise.
Fuck miami, they are have Jimmy Breaking down, Robinson is not a Herro, (Pun intended) and bam is hurt. They are a hot mess right now.

We’re 1-3 about to go 1-4 with Kemba out of the rotation. If that’s logical then we live in a mad world

Philc1 wrote:We’re 1-3 about to go 1-4 with Kemba out of the rotation. If that’s logical then we live in a mad world

Only because you live in a world where thinking beyond what is literally right in front of your face is impossible

@ Nets, 2 point game where the refs were lopsided.
Chicago, close game
Nuggets, blow out.

3 very good teams.

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:I didn't think we needed to bench Kemba, just switch up the starting line up.

That's what happened?

The C spot was locked up and wouldn't have changed, no way you start Obi.

You don't switch up your best player, PF is locked up.

One can argue about moving RJ or Fournier to bench BUT

Kemba had the worst ON/OFF, so why wouldn't you start there?

I don't quite follow. I'm saying rather than banish Kemba, switch Burks if that is the direction you want to go, and let Kemba sub in.

I might have switched Rose and Kemba, and kept everything else the same.

Kemba's per 36 & per 100 numbers all look comparable to last year.

Stalwart defender? Absolutely not, but maybe he needs more time to pick up our schemes? Maybe he should be going up against second tier talent.

Wish I got paid $5M a year to make these decisions!

How? How do you sub in Kemba and play him next to Rose and IQ?

It literally just doesn't work