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The Time to trade for Artest is NOW!
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NineMike2Whiskey
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11/11/2004  9:49 PM
This is insane, now even the Indy press is getting sour on Artest a bondafide star. Trade Artest away for Tiny Tim and Indiana just blew away their chances for title in the forseable future. I would love to see Artest come back home distraction or not.
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11/11/2004  10:08 PM
I'm sorry but to me he does come off really poorly in this interview. Referring to himself in the 3rd person, touting himself as MVP. Whew . . .
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11/11/2004  10:47 PM
Nalod likes ron-ron, but Nalod afraid of not being able to count on him.

Nalod think it over, and he thinks Indy can get Vince or other top line talent for Artest.

Nalod don't think you want to bank the franchise on this kid. Nalod also likes when dudes talk in the third person.

Why? Nalod not get lonely.

You never alone with a schizophrenic. Either is Nalod.
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11/11/2004  11:04 PM
there is absolutely no way in hell Toronto would trade away a marketing icon like Vince Carter for a head case like Artest imo...i just don't see that big of a market for some guy who's contemplating retirement at his age...any GM who would give up a star player to get him at this point would have to be out of their minds.

i think NY is 1 of the few teams that makes sense, because of Isiah, & his past relationship w/Artest...& the fact that Artest is from the area...Jason Kidd does make some sense though, i admit, because of his contract & injury issues.
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11/12/2004  11:35 AM
http://www.hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

"Szczerbiak is someone in whom the Bulls long have been interested, though one figures Indiana has to be talking to Minnesota about swapping him for Artest. Perhaps Indiana could be involved in a three-way deal, including New York, with Kurt Thomas going to Minnesota." Chicago Tribune
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So KT to Minny, Wally to Indina, and Artest to NY???
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[Edited by - sky on 11/12/2004 11:36:45]
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11/12/2004  11:46 AM
Posted by SKY:

http://www.hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

"Szczerbiak is someone in whom the Bulls long have been interested, though one figures Indiana has to be talking to Minnesota about swapping him for Artest. Perhaps Indiana could be involved in a three-way deal, including New York, with Kurt Thomas going to Minnesota." Chicago Tribune
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So KT to Minny, Wally to Indina, and Artest to NY???
Hell, yeah! Welcome back to NY Mr. Hothead! Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back... ♫ ô


[Edited by - sky on 11/12/2004 11:36:45]

I dont see how we would end up with Artest just giving up KT - but the thought of Minnesota having Cassel, Spree, Artest, and KG is very scary.

Artest will not be a Knick.
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11/13/2004  10:07 PM
Wally has a horrendous contract...i'd say TT is a better player than him anyway.
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11/13/2004  11:11 PM
I don't understand why his goal at his age is to win *one* championship. Why wouldn't he try to win one and then want to win more? It's understandable if you're 40 yrs old and sticking around to win one championship, but it's not understandable if you're Artest's age.
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11/13/2004  11:36 PM
First let me say that I am a bigtime Knick fan... and NYC player fan. But those of you who constantly spew how great Marbury and Artest are have begun to nauseate me. I will venture to say, and let's face it, a lot of variables are involved, but neither Marbury or Artest will win a championship in the next five years. Why? Neither one has a feel for winning and neither one makes their teammates better. Tell me when and tell me how if you think otherwise. Also, neither one can be relied on in crunch time to hit a big shot. So before I have to hear one more tale of how great these guys are, tell me, where have they one, (in Marbury's case don't tell me about high school) and when will they win?
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11/13/2004  11:41 PM
I agree we should try to obtain Artest. He is an Isiah favorite. We should also obtain Curry.

We would need to put KT, Houston, Nazi and TT in the deals, at least. I would hate to put Crawford, Sweet or Ariza in any deal. Marbury has to be considered untouchable.

I worry that Houston's injury and contract (17.5 m per year through 2008) make him untradeable at least until he shows he can play. He is a quality player and I think would fit in well with the young Chicago core.

I am not sure we have enough to offer Indiana since I doubt he would go in a fire sale. Perhaps we could obtain the rights to Jay Williams form Chicago to help make the deal with Indiana for Artest. They would likely insist on Ariza and I am not ready to throw him in any deal since he looks like the real deal.

We should have plenty to discuss in the next few months as the rumors swirl.
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11/13/2004  11:42 PM
Posted by rojasmas:

First let me say that I am a bigtime Knick fan... and NYC player fan. But those of you who constantly spew how great Marbury and Artest are have begun to nauseate me. I will venture to say, and let's face it, a lot of variables are involved, but neither Marbury or Artest will win a championship in the next five years. Why? Neither one has a feel for winning and neither one makes their teammates better. Tell me when and tell me how if you think otherwise. Also, neither one can be relied on in crunch time to hit a big shot. So before I have to hear one more tale of how great these guys are, tell me, where have they one, (in Marbury's case don't tell me about high school) and when will they win?

hey mr. basketball knowledge...how much of a "winner" was rasheed wallace before last year?
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11/14/2004  9:15 AM
Posted by rojasmas:

First let me say that I am a bigtime Knick fan... and NYC player fan. But those of you who constantly spew how great Marbury and Artest are have begun to nauseate me. I will venture to say, and let's face it, a lot of variables are involved, but neither Marbury or Artest will win a championship in the next five years. Why? Neither one has a feel for winning and neither one makes their teammates better. Tell me when and tell me how if you think otherwise. Also, neither one can be relied on in crunch time to hit a big shot. So before I have to hear one more tale of how great these guys are, tell me, where have they one, (in Marbury's case don't tell me about high school) and when will they win?
Do you seriously think you can't be a great player unless you're on a winning team? That if you made a switch to another team, you would still lose?
KG never got out of the first round until last season, and he was definately still great. If LeBron and tha Cavs stay at or around .500, is this arguement going to apply to him?
At the end of a player's career, yes, their greatness is usually judged by how much they won. But Marbury and Artest, they are still young and are still playing. They have ample opportunities to win in this league.
I'm gonna go out and predict Marbury will be a winner in NY, and Artest, well, he might go platinum before he wins, but he will make any team he is on, that much closer to winning/
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11/14/2004  9:42 AM
After reading that ESPN article, he sounds like a tucking moron!
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11/14/2004  11:53 AM
lets forget about the temper tantrums ron has displayed in previous outings, this recent event may add more conflict to carlisle's system then management may want to tolerate. remember, carlisle's first three months coaching had rick complaining about ron's shot selection. imo rick and ron are oil and vinnegar....they do not mix. better reading below at boston globe.com:


This silence can't be golden
By Peter May | November 14, 2004

What does Larry Bird think of Ron Artest's recent sabbatical? He's not saying. But given that this was a guy who came out of traction to play a game, we can pretty much assume what he has said behind closed doors.

That's where Bird was holed up Friday, on the longest telephone call in history. The Pacers president of basketball operations has resolutely refused to comment publicly on Artest's two-game timeout and the changing-by-the-day reasons for it. He has left coach Rick Carlisle and president/CEO Donnie Walsh to speak to the situation. You'd have to think he has Artest's face on a golf ball and has whipped out a titanium driver and headed to the first tee.

Artest returned to the Indiana lineup Friday night after missing two games. Why did he miss two games? Carlisle said Artest was benched for conduct that "compromised the integrity of the team." Carlisle left it at that on Day One. Artest subsequently replied that he didn't know the meaning of the word "integrity."

It then leaked out from Artest that he was tired and needed a break. This was the same guy who, in Slam Magazine recently, made an after-the-fact impassioned appeal to be on the Olympic team. Gee, if USA Basketball had taken him up on his offer, the Pacers might have been without Artest until March. Artest also hinted that one of the reasons he was tired was the work he was doing on a CD that is due out Nov. 23. (ESPN mentioned that date at least four times in its "SportsCenter" report Thursday.) Guess where the Celtics will be on the 23d? In Indiana.

Predictably, Artest got skewered from coast to coast, with a few exceptions. The New York Post's Pete Vecsey said Carlisle mishandled things, and Bill Walton, in an e-chat on ESPN, said, "One question that screams out at me -- why didn't Rick Carlisle simply say, `no,' and try and talk him out of it?" Maybe because Carlisle knows Artest as well as anyone.

But, for the most part, Artest was easy fodder because of his combustible past. It sort of reminded me of Bette Davis's line in "All About Eve" when she first lays eyes on a very young, very attractive Marilyn Monroe at a ****tail party: "She looks like she might burn down a plantation."

And that's what gave this story some legs. In hoopese, Artest has priors. There have been numerous suspensions and incidents. He's not David Robinson. But, in an attempt to explain himself, he largely made things worse.

In a chat Friday with ESPN.com, he said he "did it the wrong way . . . I wish I could have done it a little differently." Done what differently? He mentioned possible retirement if the Pacers won the NBA title, even though he has $29 million coming his way. (In other words, forget about it.) He said if the Pacers had granted his wish, he would have been gone for a month or so "and not worried about the pay."

Asked if he wanted the Pacers to keep him, Artest said, "I love the Pacers. I like the organization. I like the team. But just as much as I like Indiana, I've got to be able to show people what's me. I can't lie to people. This is Ron Artest. I was in a studio all summer and I came back and had 31 [points] in my first game. You have to accept Ron Artest the way he is. And, if not, that's OK."

It's not exactly a trade secret that the Pacers explored moving Artest over the summer, which speaks to their own discomfort with him. Nothing came of it. There is a won't-go-away rumor of Indiana dealing Artest to Sacramento for Peja Stojakovic because (a) they're both All-Stars, (b) they're both unhappy or distracting, and (c) their salaries match.

But Sacramento -- and everyone else -- knows about Artest and what a handful he can be. Maybe that's why Bird was so conspicuous in his silence; you don't want to devalue your own players.

Then again, anyone who knows Bird has to know how he feels about all this. And everyone knows about Artest. You have to take the whole package, which includes an excellent basketball player with, unfortunately, more baggage than Kate Winslet had on the Titanic
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The Time to trade for Artest is NOW!

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