martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I was high on Kemba because we badly needed a PG that could finally shoot. Kemba can shoot but seems like the rest of his skill set just fell off a cliff. It’s too bad. He was such an ideal stopgap. Burks is Thibs choice simply because he fits the profile Thibs wants right now to get the defense back on track at the point of attack. I still have faith Quickley can be the long-term solution. He seems to fit with his defense and activity level for Thibs. But Thibs clearly loves the Rose/IQ bench backcourt now and probably doesn’t want to make that move before he’s positive IQ is ready. That may be a move announced going into training camp next year. We will see.

The other possibility is Jalen Brunson over the summer. He’s a Thibs and Leon Rose favorite due to prior relationships. But not sure if he moves the needle.

Knicks strangely have at least a decent pipeline of possibilities, just need to let them pan out. McBride, IQ, and Rokas Jokubaitis playing over in Barcelona. With Rose seeming sturdy enough for another year.

Mostly, the young PGs are just developing and marinating.

Would agree with this. Unfortunately, Thibs is not the patient type. Has always preferred the win now vets over the slow growth yoots. Can't say I blame him. It's been a long time and a lot of prospects that have gone by the wayside.

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I was high on Kemba because we badly needed a PG that could finally shoot. Kemba can shoot but seems like the rest of his skill set just fell off a cliff. It’s too bad. He was such an ideal stopgap. Burks is Thibs choice simply because he fits the profile Thibs wants right now to get the defense back on track at the point of attack. I still have faith Quickley can be the long-term solution. He seems to fit with his defense and activity level for Thibs. But Thibs clearly loves the Rose/IQ bench backcourt now and probably doesn’t want to make that move before he’s positive IQ is ready. That may be a move announced going into training camp next year. We will see.

The other possibility is Jalen Brunson over the summer. He’s a Thibs and Leon Rose favorite due to prior relationships. But not sure if he moves the needle.

Knicks strangely have at least a decent pipeline of possibilities, just need to let them pan out. McBride, IQ, and Rokas Jokubaitis playing over in Barcelona. With Rose seeming sturdy enough for another year.

Mostly, the young PGs are just developing and marinating.

Would agree with this. Unfortunately, Thibs is not the patient type. Has always preferred the win now vets over the slow growth yoots. Can't say I blame him. It's been a long time and a lot of prospects that have gone by the wayside.

Not for nothing but IQ and Obi are doing quite nicely off of the bench… This mean Thibs hates playing young guys or are the Knicks doing themselves a long term solid by developing them nicely albeit at a slower pace then we want to see from them?

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I was high on Kemba because we badly needed a PG that could finally shoot. Kemba can shoot but seems like the rest of his skill set just fell off a cliff. It’s too bad. He was such an ideal stopgap. Burks is Thibs choice simply because he fits the profile Thibs wants right now to get the defense back on track at the point of attack. I still have faith Quickley can be the long-term solution. He seems to fit with his defense and activity level for Thibs. But Thibs clearly loves the Rose/IQ bench backcourt now and probably doesn’t want to make that move before he’s positive IQ is ready. That may be a move announced going into training camp next year. We will see.

The other possibility is Jalen Brunson over the summer. He’s a Thibs and Leon Rose favorite due to prior relationships. But not sure if he moves the needle.

Knicks strangely have at least a decent pipeline of possibilities, just need to let them pan out. McBride, IQ, and Rokas Jokubaitis playing over in Barcelona. With Rose seeming sturdy enough for another year.

Mostly, the young PGs are just developing and marinating.

Would agree with this. Unfortunately, Thibs is not the patient type. Has always preferred the win now vets over the slow growth yoots. Can't say I blame him. It's been a long time and a lot of prospects that have gone by the wayside.

Not for nothing but IQ and Obi are doing quite nicely off of the bench… This mean Thibs hates playing young guys or are the Knicks doing themselves a long term solid by developing them nicely albeit at a slower pace then we want to see from them?

IQ and Top are developing nicely. Could also use RJ to counter Thibs only likes vets. Point was that if given the choice between capable vets and developing young players, Thibs has shown to prefer vets. Especially If you look at guys he plays the majority of minutes.

Do agree that kids that show such promise as Obi, IQ and RJ need to be developed in order for a franchise to succeed. Watching Poole and Payton on the Warriors shows me how quickly young players can be impactful if give the chance. However, the rate at which it's done has always depended on the timeline a team finds itself at. Feel Thibs and Rose are at the point they want success now. Would be interesting to see if IQ and Top continue to get those minutes or if they would be included in a deal if Rose decide to bring in higher profile vets.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Ben Simmons is your answer. You get this Simmons and everything gets better for everyone in the team. You will have to give up some players for him. Maybe Fournier, Obi Quickly and some draft picks. In my opinion it would be worth it. He brings that necessary pass first mentality that makes teams better and his defense is really good. He is a decent offensive player and a change of scenery can benefit him. I say get this guy at all cost with the exception of RJ and Randle.

1. Simmons is a headcase

2. Simmons can’t shoot from outside, once he loses his athleticism it’s over for him

3. 76ers aren’t trading him to a neighboring market within the East unless we desperately overpay

Would agree with all of this. The way Sixers are playing you would think they would be trying to mend things. Think it's more on Simmons side that he does want to play with them and Sixers hoping he changes his mind. Would think they need to move one sooner rather than later. But agree with you, it won't be a trade to the East. Maybe John Wall gets traded for him? Unless Knicks get him first.

I think Sixers finally move Simmons at the deadline. Something is going on behind the scenes we don’t know about. Either he’s point shaving, on drugs or has a really bad interpersonal conflict with the owner or all the above

Big time pass on Simmons.

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Ben Simmons is your answer. You get this Simmons and everything gets better for everyone in the team. You will have to give up some players for him. Maybe Fournier, Obi Quickly and some draft picks. In my opinion it would be worth it. He brings that necessary pass first mentality that makes teams better and his defense is really good. He is a decent offensive player and a change of scenery can benefit him. I say get this guy at all cost with the exception of RJ and Randle.

1. Simmons is a headcase

2. Simmons can’t shoot from outside, once he loses his athleticism it’s over for him

3. 76ers aren’t trading him to a neighboring market within the East unless we desperately overpay

Would agree with all of this. The way Sixers are playing you would think they would be trying to mend things. Think it's more on Simmons side that he does want to play with them and Sixers hoping he changes his mind. Would think they need to move one sooner rather than later. But agree with you, it won't be a trade to the East. Maybe John Wall gets traded for him? Unless Knicks get him first.

I think Sixers finally move Simmons at the deadline. Something is going on behind the scenes we don’t know about. Either he’s point shaving, on drugs or has a really bad interpersonal conflict with the owner or all the above

Big time pass on Simmons.

Only thing anyone knows for sure is that Morey's been quoted as saying Simmons "could take 4 years" to resolve. That obviously might be posturing, but if Ben was on drugs or point shaving or some other back page splash material, we'd all know by now.

Right now, he's going to just sit and marinate as the other Sixer starters all get back together again.

We witness this routinely w Lebrun who has the thinnest of skins. We are also witnessing this w Simmons. Recall when philly drafted Fultz #1 and the first thing out of Simmons mouth was that he/Simmons was the starting pg. not very welcoming to a new teammate and someone who at least then (on paper) could have placed philly on top. Now he’s crushed because embid and doc publicly criticized him as has the rest of the world

Anyway it’s a sad reality and I hope the knicks stay away from it. As far as I’m concerned you couldn’t give me Ben Simmons under any circumstances at this point

Chandler wrote:The reality is a to. Of uber-successful people are highly insecure. Indeed their insecurities are what drives them to work longer, harder, etc for fear of some bad grade, lack of money whatever

We witness this routinely w Lebrun who has the thinnest of skins. We are also witnessing this w Simmons. Recall when philly drafted Fultz #1 and the first thing out of Simmons mouth was that he/Simmons was the starting pg. not very welcoming to a new teammate and someone who at least then (on paper) could have placed philly on top. Now he’s crushed because embid and doc publicly criticized him as has the rest of the world

Anyway it’s a sad reality and I hope the knicks stay away from it. As far as I’m concerned you couldn’t give me Ben Simmons under any circumstances at this point

Would agree with most. Always two sides to a story though. Can't say that what Rivers said about him was appropriate. Even if true, not a good look to throw a player of yours under the bus.

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Chandler wrote:The reality is a to. Of uber-successful people are highly insecure. Indeed their insecurities are what drives them to work longer, harder, etc for fear of some bad grade, lack of money whatever

We witness this routinely w Lebrun who has the thinnest of skins. We are also witnessing this w Simmons. Recall when philly drafted Fultz #1 and the first thing out of Simmons mouth was that he/Simmons was the starting pg. not very welcoming to a new teammate and someone who at least then (on paper) could have placed philly on top. Now he’s crushed because embid and doc publicly criticized him as has the rest of the world

Anyway it’s a sad reality and I hope the knicks stay away from it. As far as I’m concerned you couldn’t give me Ben Simmons under any circumstances at this point

Would agree with most. Always two sides to a story though. Can't say that what Rivers said about him was appropriate. Even if true, not a good look to throw a player of yours under the bus.

Exactly. That's the stuff you throw into your tell all book after you've won a title or in a face to face closed door meeting. I remember when the media was killing Paul George for his comments about Doc, even though it appears George's words had some truth to them. Still, people said George should've kept his mouth shut. You'd think Doc would've known to settle down in that post game interview. We don't even see Thibs throw his players under the bus like that. If you do say something like that about one of your players, you better be sure he's not coming back next season.

Yep. Played on many different teams. Bit same rule applies. You don't like your coach, keep your mouth shut, work hard and if he is not a good coach the truth will come out. Same goes for fellow players. Ball don't lie and it does not need your big mouth pointing stuff out.

Still do not think there is any path to Simmons here but interesting to watch what will happen with that. I would rather pick up another shooter. Gordon, Lamb or such. Think John Wall is good but not what he was and he would just come here and try to take over despite the affect on the team.

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Ben Simmons is your answer. You get this Simmons and everything gets better for everyone in the team. You will have to give up some players for him. Maybe Fournier, Obi Quickly and some draft picks. In my opinion it would be worth it. He brings that necessary pass first mentality that makes teams better and his defense is really good. He is a decent offensive player and a change of scenery can benefit him. I say get this guy at all cost with the exception of RJ and Randle.

1. Simmons is a headcase

2. Simmons can’t shoot from outside, once he loses his athleticism it’s over for him

3. 76ers aren’t trading him to a neighboring market within the East unless we desperately overpay

Would agree with all of this. The way Sixers are playing you would think they would be trying to mend things. Think it's more on Simmons side that he does want to play with them and Sixers hoping he changes his mind. Would think they need to move one sooner rather than later. But agree with you, it won't be a trade to the East. Maybe John Wall gets traded for him? Unless Knicks get him first.

I think Sixers finally move Simmons at the deadline. Something is going on behind the scenes we don’t know about. Either he’s point shaving, on drugs or has a really bad interpersonal conflict with the owner or all the above

Big time pass on Simmons.

From what I have read, and some blogger saying now he is has cash flow issues due to spending it might be not quite as nefarious as what you mention but a combination of living up to an image of stardom while being emotionally crushed by social media and the weight of responsibility. The kid could be depressed in some manner. The Spending and illogical habits are symptomatic. He made it worse by his actions and his head is messed up. Im just guessing from what I read about him being spoiled, coddled and not super motivated to elevate his game. All the while, like Elf , contributed last season for his team to conference best record and a demon on defense. Now urning to some form of chemical help is not uncommon. If he suspended for testing positive for substance it would be disclosed. Not specifics, but a league action is public.

Any team trading for him has to believe there is a path for him to get right.
I agree he COULD be emotionally weak and dumb as a rock.

There is little in the form of a natural trade for us with 76ers. Kemba might be a nice playoff piece for them but thats a small piece of what would be a bigger trade.

If we are involved with a 3rd team like SAC and we landed him no doubt would be interesting. We are not contending this season.

Maybe we can look at Simmons as being like an all NBA ELFRID PAYTON………………Simmons is like Elf, but with the IQ of JR smith. Who didn’t love JR Smith? if we did well with Elf, you know, 4 seed and all that ****, we’d be better with Simmons who is a better defender and penetrator by far. At 6-10 our defense would be killer!
He’d be the object of fans discontent perhaps if it did not go well if we win a chip he’ll be celebrated.
I doubt any of this ever comes

BTW, I have invited the whole UK universe to join me when the knicks Retire Elf’s knicks jersey in the Garden! Even PHilc!!! How does this play out you ask? Ok, Knicks Trade for Simmons:

Knox, Kemba, Burks, Mitch, Dallas 1st round, Knicks first round. They Cut Knox. he there for salary. They promise Burks minutes. Elf gets cut. we need bodies. Thibs needs to prove to PhilC that Elf was contributory to last season. If not for this argument, Elf starts his realestate business.
Knicks vs PHX is finals. Simmons is doing really well and Rose is still off the bench and finishing. But IQ has not been getting it done and McBride is dating a Kardashian. ElF is starting. Yes, despite it all ELF is the starter on a team that EARNED its way to the finals after he surged the last 30 games of the season and shut down harden in the conf. Finals. Game seven, Knicks down by 2 10 seconds left, Paul bringing the ball up , elf goes to foul, but instead strips the ball from paul and races down the court, but instead of taking the tie and go to over time, he kicks it to Simmons in the corner who was making goo goo eyes with Kendall, simmons pump fakes that he shoots while MSG is in horror. Game is in MSG because Sarver did not get the A/C fixed n PHX and record heat moved game back east. simmons has an open path but sees ayton and kicks it to ELF who dropped to the other corner, He passes it, the garden is in shock, Doc is smiling, Elf nails the three………
Where is drose? He hurt his groin early in the game. Elf was Thibs only option.
ELF is given the MVP series award. He looks into the camera and says……………”nobody puts THIS ELF on any mother****ing shelf”………….. Rebecca asks him if he going to Disney. He replies he, Ben Simmons, James Harden, Lamar Odom are all going to vegas and gonna get “AllanFan’d”!!!
Team is all laughing! Allan Houston grabs Charlie Ward and tries to do a prayer circle but it gets broken up by Spree who is all choked up. Melo was also claimed on waivers and still standing at the 3pt line for the ball but he is smiling and happy. JROD is outraged. PHilC has to now plan on holding his end of the bet and get a Elfrid Payton tatoo.
In the off season Johnny Byrant is hired away by Philly who fired Doc. Calipari is hired as his assistant only if he can wear suits.

Where is Elf? HE was not offered another contract by knicks. It happens. He signs a 3 year 9mm per deal with Miami and they tout “heat culture” as the reason. He tortures us for 3 years. Simmons gets STD and Broken from Kardashian curse and is forced to retire. Melo retires, DrpTaj gets “Herb William’d” and is an assistant coach, and Obi is still mad.

Simmons was shaving points in the playoffs last year. Other nba teams suspect it and that’s part of why he hasnt been traded yet

Thats some Q’non level bull**** my man. Read some tweet and perpetuate it like the cool kid in the back of the class disrupting the lesson cuz you either think its funny or your gullible.
Not sure what your motivation is. But if you want to have a discussion of any substance find a link or shred of intelligence and talk like grown ups.
Personally I think JFKjr for Ben Simmons is a good trade.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Ben Simmons is your answer. You get this Simmons and everything gets better for everyone in the team. You will have to give up some players for him. Maybe Fournier, Obi Quickly and some draft picks. In my opinion it would be worth it. He brings that necessary pass first mentality that makes teams better and his defense is really good. He is a decent offensive player and a change of scenery can benefit him. I say get this guy at all cost with the exception of RJ and Randle.

1. Simmons is a headcase

2. Simmons can’t shoot from outside, once he loses his athleticism it’s over for him

3. 76ers aren’t trading him to a neighboring market within the East unless we desperately overpay

Would agree with all of this. The way Sixers are playing you would think they would be trying to mend things. Think it's more on Simmons side that he does want to play with them and Sixers hoping he changes his mind. Would think they need to move one sooner rather than later. But agree with you, it won't be a trade to the East. Maybe John Wall gets traded for him? Unless Knicks get him first.

I think Sixers finally move Simmons at the deadline. Something is going on behind the scenes we don’t know about. Either he’s point shaving, on drugs or has a really bad interpersonal conflict with the owner or all the above

Big time pass on Simmons.

From what I have read, and some blogger saying now he is has cash flow issues due to spending it might be not quite as nefarious as what you mention but a combination of living up to an image of stardom while being emotionally crushed by social media and the weight of responsibility. The kid could be depressed in some manner. The Spending and illogical habits are symptomatic. He made it worse by his actions and his head is messed up. Im just guessing from what I read about him being spoiled, coddled and not super motivated to elevate his game. All the while, like Elf , contributed last season for his team to conference best record and a demon on defense. Now urning to some form of chemical help is not uncommon. If he suspended for testing positive for substance it would be disclosed. Not specifics, but a league action is public.

Any team trading for him has to believe there is a path for him to get right.
I agree he COULD be emotionally weak and dumb as a rock.

There is little in the form of a natural trade for us with 76ers. Kemba might be a nice playoff piece for them but thats a small piece of what would be a bigger trade.

If we are involved with a 3rd team like SAC and we landed him no doubt would be interesting. We are not contending this season.

Maybe we can look at Simmons as being like an all NBA ELFRID PAYTON………………Simmons is like Elf, but with the IQ of JR smith. Who didn’t love JR Smith? if we did well with Elf, you know, 4 seed and all that ****, we’d be better with Simmons who is a better defender and penetrator by far. At 6-10 our defense would be killer!
He’d be the object of fans discontent perhaps if it did not go well if we win a chip he’ll be celebrated.
I doubt any of this ever comes

BTW, I have invited the whole UK universe to join me when the knicks Retire Elf’s knicks jersey in the Garden! Even PHilc!!! How does this play out you ask? Ok, Knicks Trade for Simmons:

Knox, Kemba, Burks, Mitch, Dallas 1st round, Knicks first round. They Cut Knox. he there for salary. They promise Burks minutes. Elf gets cut. we need bodies. Thibs needs to prove to PhilC that Elf was contributory to last season. If not for this argument, Elf starts his realestate business.
Knicks vs PHX is finals. Simmons is doing really well and Rose is still off the bench and finishing. But IQ has not been getting it done and McBride is dating a Kardashian. ElF is starting. Yes, despite it all ELF is the starter on a team that EARNED its way to the finals after he surged the last 30 games of the season and shut down harden in the conf. Finals. Game seven, Knicks down by 2 10 seconds left, Paul bringing the ball up , elf goes to foul, but instead strips the ball from paul and races down the court, but instead of taking the tie and go to over time, he kicks it to Simmons in the corner who was making goo goo eyes with Kendall, simmons pump fakes that he shoots while MSG is in horror. Game is in MSG because Sarver did not get the A/C fixed n PHX and record heat moved game back east. simmons has an open path but sees ayton and kicks it to ELF who dropped to the other corner, He passes it, the garden is in shock, Doc is smiling, Elf nails the three………
Where is drose? He hurt his groin early in the game. Elf was Thibs only option.
ELF is given the MVP series award. He looks into the camera and says……………”nobody puts THIS ELF on any mother****ing shelf”………….. Rebecca asks him if he going to Disney. He replies he, Ben Simmons, James Harden, Lamar Odom are all going to vegas and gonna get “AllanFan’d”!!!
Team is all laughing! Allan Houston grabs Charlie Ward and tries to do a prayer circle but it gets broken up by Spree who is all choked up. Melo was also claimed on waivers and still standing at the 3pt line for the ball but he is smiling and happy. JROD is outraged. PHilC has to now plan on holding his end of the bet and get a Elfrid Payton tatoo.
In the off season Johnny Byrant is hired away by Philly who fired Doc. Calipari is hired as his assistant only if he can wear suits.

Where is Elf? HE was not offered another contract by knicks. It happens. He signs a 3 year 9mm per deal with Miami and they tout “heat culture” as the reason. He tortures us for 3 years. Simmons gets STD and Broken from Kardashian curse and is forced to retire. Melo retires, DrpTaj gets “Herb William’d” and is an assistant coach, and Obi is still mad.

Simmons was shaving points in the playoffs last year. Other nba teams suspect it and that’s part of why he hasnt been traded yet

Thats some Q’non level bull**** my man. Read some tweet and perpetuate it like the cool kid in the back of the class disrupting the lesson cuz you either think its funny or your gullible.
Not sure what your motivation is. But if you want to have a discussion of any substance find a link or shred of intelligence and talk like grown ups.
Personally I think JFKjr for Ben Simmons is a good trade.

What is JFKjr shooting from three?

But.....if he can get his soul back, fight decomposing for 21 years, im sure the first thing he wants is to "anoint" trump as US president.
Granted, Im no expert on the U.S. constitution but I dont' think even Jesus can just come on down from the kingdom of heaven and install a president.
As JohnJohn, The mans PER was off the charts!

Ben SImmons if point shaving would be a free agent as his contract voided and be in a heap of trouble.
Then we can sign him! LOL I can't tell if Philc is messing with us, that ****ing stupid, or really believes what he writes.

Rookie wrote:There’s this kid Miles McBride balling in the G league. The Knicks should sign him and let him run with the second unit.

Emphasis on G LEAGUE. Kid does have potential and looks good against G League players. However, no doubt the coaching staff knows very well what he can and can't do. Of course all fans, including myself, are always curious and hopeful about all draft picks but as we have seen many time before it turns out in disappointment if expectations are set too high. Have to be patient and know he will get his shot. And when he does, we can make an accurate assessment.