blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:Really pretty incredible:

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https://twitter.com/FredKatz/status/1465409537788235783

I dont ever remember Burks being the solid defender he is with us, but he's been really good and he's certainly earned more playing time the old fashioned way... just playing good phuckin basketball

I also hope this puts the ball back in Randle's handles because when he handles it early and often we see that great facilitating. When Kemba/EF are trying to "get going" and Randle touches it less he's a black hole. I really trust Thibs... this had to be a tough call. I expect results.

11-9 is a good starting point to start the dominating run.

That would be the mic drop for a defensive coach. Trust in Thibs. Do you think Kemba wants out?

No because Thibs and his staff are pros and really sensitive to who Kemba is and what he's done in the league and the reason Kemba is benched isnt because he's not liked or not trying hard, its because he's not effective and I am pretty sure that's showing out in the film sessions. All the talk about accountability if a guy isnt doing the job and you have others that can the rest should be history. Its a league where there are other factors such as salary and a team's investment in a player's development. Kemba isnt a max player we need to get right (like Ranbdle) and he's not a developmental guy we are committed to (like RJ).

I think Kemba sits, takes it like a pro and does great in spot duty when Rose is out and Kemba runs in with the 2nd unit. Maybe that's kumbaya, but I dont see the teams lining up to give Kemba a bunch of playing time. He can still play a useful role here give us some feel good moments

I agree with you. But Thibs comment about Kemba is not only benched but out of the rotation. I never heard this type of treatment to a player, unless he's a locker room cancer (for example Ben Simmons or Kyrie). So Thibs will be treading thin ice if and when Rose is not available.

Does Thibs go str8 to McBride as the PG back fill for Rose? Does he keep pulling Kemba in and out of rotation? I think at this point Kemba would be a great mentor / PG coach on the sideline or during huddles. But if Kemba wants to play and he said physically he feels great, then we should trade him to a team of his choice. Otherwise, I cant see Kemba just sitting on the bench and not playing, but still happy to be on the team. That will get old real fast.

Just think about the next game we lose or the next bad game from Burks. The NY media will run to Kemba for his take. NY media is very aggressive and always looking for drama, even if it's not there. So lets hope Kemba takes it like a professional and tries to help the team from whatever seat he has moving forward. Must watched game tonight. Knick fans will be up and ready to flood the Barclay Center with orange and blue. Can't wait.

Does he really need to give Burks some sort of assurance like this?

Weird. Going to be interesting to watch how Kemba responds to the media, whether Burks falls flat on his face or not.

jrodmc wrote:

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:Really pretty incredible:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/FredKatz/status/1465409537788235783

I dont ever remember Burks being the solid defender he is with us, but he's been really good and he's certainly earned more playing time the old fashioned way... just playing good phuckin basketball

I also hope this puts the ball back in Randle's handles because when he handles it early and often we see that great facilitating. When Kemba/EF are trying to "get going" and Randle touches it less he's a black hole. I really trust Thibs... this had to be a tough call. I expect results.

11-9 is a good starting point to start the dominating run.

That would be the mic drop for a defensive coach. Trust in Thibs. Do you think Kemba wants out?

No because Thibs and his staff are pros and really sensitive to who Kemba is and what he's done in the league and the reason Kemba is benched isnt because he's not liked or not trying hard, its because he's not effective and I am pretty sure that's showing out in the film sessions. All the talk about accountability if a guy isnt doing the job and you have others that can the rest should be history. Its a league where there are other factors such as salary and a team's investment in a player's development. Kemba isnt a max player we need to get right (like Ranbdle) and he's not a developmental guy we are committed to (like RJ).

I think Kemba sits, takes it like a pro and does great in spot duty when Rose is out and Kemba runs in with the 2nd unit. Maybe that's kumbaya, but I dont see the teams lining up to give Kemba a bunch of playing time. He can still play a useful role here give us some feel good moments

I agree with you. But Thibs comment about Kemba is not only benched but out of the rotation. I never heard this type of treatment to a player, unless he's a locker room cancer (for example Ben Simmons or Kyrie). So Thibs will be treading thin ice if and when Rose is not available.

Does Thibs go str8 to McBride as the PG back fill for Rose? Does he keep pulling Kemba in and out of rotation? I think at this point Kemba would be a great mentor / PG coach on the sideline or during huddles. But if Kemba wants to play and he said physically he feels great, then we should trade him to a team of his choice. Otherwise, I cant see Kemba just sitting on the bench and not playing, but still happy to be on the team. That will get old real fast.

Just think about the next game we lose or the next bad game from Burks. The NY media will run to Kemba for his take. NY media is very aggressive and always looking for drama, even if it's not there. So lets hope Kemba takes it like a professional and tries to help the team from whatever seat he has moving forward. Must watched game tonight. Knick fans will be up and ready to flood the Barclay Center with orange and blue. Can't wait.

Agreed, and I just didn't get the bold. Why did Thibs have to say that? I thought I heard some mumblings about Kemba's knee not holding up, but confirming a player's out of the rotation, when you've got question marks like DRose and IQ (who was streaky last year as well) just doesn't make any sense.

Does he really need to give Burks some sort of assurance like this?

Weird. Going to be interesting to watch how Kemba responds to the media, whether Burks falls flat on his face or not.

This is the second time Thibs has essentially dropped a player from the rotation. Rivers was dropped last year and wearing street clothes the few times he appeared on the bench. Other times, he was MIA. Rivers didn't comment publicly, but I do wonder if something is going on behind the scenes...

martin wrote:

Uptown wrote:This is the second time Thibs has essentially dropped a player from the rotation. Rivers was dropped last year and wearing street clothes the few times he appeared on the bench. Other times, he was MIA. Rivers didn't comment publicly, but I do wonder if something is going on behind the scenes...

Realistically what are the other options for Kemba though?

Rose is a bench player and you can't have those 2 guys and IQ together. Maybe you could have moved Rose/IQ to start but it's just not there yet either.

Burks for EF was my low risk move. We could’ve ran with this switch to get EF going and add more defense in Burks. Then if this move didn’t work, u move Kemba next. But to do this at 20 games and Kemba camp was thinking 30 or 40 games. Kemba and Thibs was not on the same page or Thibs is feeling the pressure all former coaches feel when they come to NY. That pressure to always win will make you do knee jerk reaction moves. But honestly we are over loaded with PGs. If you add Burks as a PG now and McBride. But how does it feel to be a PG in the nba and replaced by a SF.

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:

Uptown wrote:This is the second time Thibs has essentially dropped a player from the rotation. Rivers was dropped last year and wearing street clothes the few times he appeared on the bench. Other times, he was MIA. Rivers didn't comment publicly, but I do wonder if something is going on behind the scenes...

Realistically what are the other options for Kemba though?

Rose is a bench player and you can't have those 2 guys and IQ together. Maybe you could have moved Rose/IQ to start but it's just not there yet either.

Burks for EF was my low risk move. We could’ve ran with this switch to get EF going and add more defense in Burks. Then if this move didn’t work, u move Kemba next. But to do this at 20 games and Kemba camp was thinking 30 or 40 games. Kemba and Thibs was not on the same page or Thibs is feeling the pressure all former coaches feel when they come to NY. That pressure to always win will make you do knee jerk reaction moves. But honestly we are over loaded with PGs. If you add Burks as a PG now and McBride. But how does it feel to be a PG in the nba and replaced by a SF.

Uptown wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:Really pretty incredible:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/FredKatz/status/1465409537788235783

I dont ever remember Burks being the solid defender he is with us, but he's been really good and he's certainly earned more playing time the old fashioned way... just playing good phuckin basketball

I also hope this puts the ball back in Randle's handles because when he handles it early and often we see that great facilitating. When Kemba/EF are trying to "get going" and Randle touches it less he's a black hole. I really trust Thibs... this had to be a tough call. I expect results.

11-9 is a good starting point to start the dominating run.

That would be the mic drop for a defensive coach. Trust in Thibs. Do you think Kemba wants out?

No because Thibs and his staff are pros and really sensitive to who Kemba is and what he's done in the league and the reason Kemba is benched isnt because he's not liked or not trying hard, its because he's not effective and I am pretty sure that's showing out in the film sessions. All the talk about accountability if a guy isnt doing the job and you have others that can the rest should be history. Its a league where there are other factors such as salary and a team's investment in a player's development. Kemba isnt a max player we need to get right (like Ranbdle) and he's not a developmental guy we are committed to (like RJ).

I think Kemba sits, takes it like a pro and does great in spot duty when Rose is out and Kemba runs in with the 2nd unit. Maybe that's kumbaya, but I dont see the teams lining up to give Kemba a bunch of playing time. He can still play a useful role here give us some feel good moments

I agree with you. But Thibs comment about Kemba is not only benched but out of the rotation. I never heard this type of treatment to a player, unless he's a locker room cancer (for example Ben Simmons or Kyrie). So Thibs will be treading thin ice if and when Rose is not available.

Does Thibs go str8 to McBride as the PG back fill for Rose? Does he keep pulling Kemba in and out of rotation? I think at this point Kemba would be a great mentor / PG coach on the sideline or during huddles. But if Kemba wants to play and he said physically he feels great, then we should trade him to a team of his choice. Otherwise, I cant see Kemba just sitting on the bench and not playing, but still happy to be on the team. That will get old real fast.

Just think about the next game we lose or the next bad game from Burks. The NY media will run to Kemba for his take. NY media is very aggressive and always looking for drama, even if it's not there. So lets hope Kemba takes it like a professional and tries to help the team from whatever seat he has moving forward. Must watched game tonight. Knick fans will be up and ready to flood the Barclay Center with orange and blue. Can't wait.

Agreed, and I just didn't get the bold. Why did Thibs have to say that? I thought I heard some mumblings about Kemba's knee not holding up, but confirming a player's out of the rotation, when you've got question marks like DRose and IQ (who was streaky last year as well) just doesn't make any sense.

Does he really need to give Burks some sort of assurance like this?

Weird. Going to be interesting to watch how Kemba responds to the media, whether Burks falls flat on his face or not.

This is the second time Thibs has essentially dropped a player from the rotation. Rivers was dropped last year and wearing street clothes the few times he appeared on the bench. Other times, he was MIA. Rivers didn't comment publicly, but I do wonder if something is going on behind the scenes...

A few good points were brought up here. One which points out that maybe Thibs felt he needed someone in the rotation that did not need back to backs off. Someone that he felt could go hard for 30 plus. Might be why it was a move out of the rotation? If not, it's got to be that Kemba did not feel he was getting a fair shake. Several guys have brought up the plus/minus virus but if you look at tonight's game, Burks had one of the worst +/- and still played 39 minutes. So...

I think the bottom line is Thibs has to have guys that he trusts. Probably had reasons he never got that with Kemba. As Fish posted, defense was a big part. As Uptown mentioned, maybe it was a Rivers type in which they never saw eye to eye. Hope the move makes us better, hope Kemba finds a place and hope we can get something decent for Kemba if he is moved.