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Barrett. Biggest disappointment
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Philc1
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11/27/2021  3:02 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Clean wrote:I am not down on anyone offensively in the starting lineup until I see them play without Randle. Randle also bogs down our good bench when he plays with them at the end of games. There is no way the whole starting lineup forgot how to shoot over the summer. I just don't like how Randle plays. Everything goes through him at the expense of others. The thing is I like Randle when he is just a finisher. Why does he have to be our whole offense?

That starting unit scored (a season high) 36 points in the first qtr against the lakes when Mitch was out.

Randle and Mitch is the worst front court in the NBA...I DVR that a dozen time and watch Randle get trapped and double by the guy Guarding Mitch (It was Ayton last night)

Fournier and RJ is just as bad as Mitch and Randle, Those guys don't cut, they don't move to the open space, they pass the ball to Randle and move 2 steps left or right, or just stand there and the spacing is just stupid low IQ basketball.

RJ was the worst defender in the NBA last night, he never kept track of booker, it's like he watched no film on booker considering the open looks he got.

When is thib going to see that starting unit can not play well together for more 5 to 6 minutes..

What do you do? You either flip Burke and Fournier, or trade RJ or Fournier. I think trading Fournier would cost multiple picks so thats probably off the table

OKC would ask for the next Mavs pick at a minimum just to take on EF’s contract

The Knicks should consider it. We’d be better off starting Burks and adding McBride to the rotation while IQ primarily plays the 2

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11/27/2021  3:51 PM
Barrett’s play has been frustrating, but I think he figures it out soon.

What I don’t get is the drives to the basket which look great… up until the ball leaves his hand. It’s like he does the hard work of getting there, and then puts up a weak effort at the rim.

Score, or draw the foul!!!

Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
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11/27/2021  11:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/27/2021  11:09 PM
RJ 15 and 7 tonight on 6-11 shooting with solid D

Is he still a disappointment?

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11/27/2021  11:15 PM
Disappointed that he hasn’t taken a clear step toward stardom after a really big jump in year 2. I don’t think Fournier and Burks are ideal on the floor next to RJ. RJ is all about making the right reads. The thing I’ve mentioned before is that all 3 of these guys have pretty similar size and skill sets. The difference is those guys are veterans and play like they have nothing to lose. They seem more driven to making the big shot - and RJ’s mentality is more about making the right play.

But once the ball leaves his hand, those two other guys are more likely to take it upon themselves to be aggressive and try for their own scoring opps and make the defense react.

RJ has better tools than both - and in the long run, I think RJ will learn from them. But right now he looks like the 3rd best next to those 2 right now.

It’s gotta be bugging him.

“That was two, two from the heart.” - John Starks
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11/28/2021  10:33 AM
Philc1 wrote:RJ 15 and 7 tonight on 6-11 shooting with solid D

Is he still a disappointment?

Did EF trade Value go up the last two games too?

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11/28/2021  2:19 PM
As only a 3rd year player?

There has been absolutely nothing that's "disappointing" about R.J. Barrett.

You know who's been disappointing? Zion Williamson (and plenty of other 1st round picks from their draft class).

R.J is going to develop into an All-Star.

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11/28/2021  2:33 PM
Philc1 wrote:RJ 15 and 7 tonight on 6-11 shooting with solid D

Is he still a disappointment?

Team best plus minus of 18+.

You know I gonna spin wit it
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11/28/2021  2:48 PM
martin wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:I am not down on anyone offensively in the starting lineup until I see them play without Randle. Randle also bogs down our good bench when he plays with them at the end of games. There is no way the whole starting lineup forgot how to shoot over the summer. I just don't like how Randle plays. Everything goes through him at the expense of others. The thing is I like Randle when he is just a finisher. Why does he have to be our whole offense?

Agree 100% but I think this is mostly on Thibs as Randle was placed in this role.

I’m there with this sentiment. RJ missing a ton of open stuff but Randle definitely clogging things up

think Randle clogging things might be a symptom of all the bricks from RJ and EF? I mean we know he's got that baby Mamba thing along with an honest desire to put the team on his back. He's clearly not figured out if or how but you have to wonder if these guys are all trying so hard they are getting in each other's way and there's a LOT of bricks coming from everywhere. Feels like everyone is trying to "get going" but that's not really fitting in with the other guy's version of how that's gonna work
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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11/28/2021  5:17 PM
Hard to know if it's the chicken or the egg with Randle clogging and RJ/EF clanking... I really think we miss Bullock's style/fit as he camped at the 3pt line on offense which gave Randle and RJ more space to operate. Fournier dribble driving, Kemba dribble driving, etc... it takes up RJ's opportunities and probably is too much when Randle is the focal point. I think swapping Burks for Fournier helps but he is also best as a shot creator. Burks does seem to know when to spot up and when to bail us out with his shot creation better than Fournier though. Same with IQ - he seems to know how to do both pretty well. I have no problem moving RJ to 2nd unit but at some point when are we going to admit that playing a slow paced game centered around Randle is nowhere near as effective as when we play faster? I get that there are times you need an ISO/Randle type of player to bail you out when the game gets tight - but lately we don't even get to that point in the game because we play like an over 40 league at the YMCA. We walk the ball up, hope Randle beats his man or is shooting well, and then take turns going 1 on 1 between RJ, Kemba and Fournier. Mitch runs around and grabs some rebounds when he isn't falling down.

Compare that to the 2nd unit w/IQ, DRose, Burks, Obi and Taj/Noel - we run, move the ball faster and while mistakes are made - we are harder to guard simply because of this style. I've been saying that Toppin needs more minutes and can also clearly say Randle is still a much talented player. But in the end it's what the scoreboard says - so if Toppin scores 12 and IQ and RJ play better - than it doesn't really matter if Randle goes for 29 if we win. Look at the +/-, do the eye test, rewatch the Hawks games. Since Lin we haven't really played uptempo effectively and now we see the youngsters doing pretty well.

I think one part is maybe balancing out the fist team and second team defensively and energy-wise. But if we were willing to take our lumps/growing pains and shift to more IQ, Toppin and less EF, Kemba and at times Randle and RJ - we might reach and maximize whatever this roster's potential actually is faster. Yes we will probably take two steps back to eventually take a giant step forward. Or we wait until the slow moving train reaches the station and move on from Randle in a year when his value continues to lower. If RJ doesn't improve playing faster than I'd be open to moving on from him as well. I do think he will benefit from more spacing and a faster pace though.

When was the last time the Knicks energy made you feel confident we could beat a good team vs praying our main guy has it going that particular night?

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11/28/2021  10:04 PM
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:I am not down on anyone offensively in the starting lineup until I see them play without Randle. Randle also bogs down our good bench when he plays with them at the end of games. There is no way the whole starting lineup forgot how to shoot over the summer. I just don't like how Randle plays. Everything goes through him at the expense of others. The thing is I like Randle when he is just a finisher. Why does he have to be our whole offense?

Agree 100% but I think this is mostly on Thibs as Randle was placed in this role.

I’m there with this sentiment. RJ missing a ton of open stuff but Randle definitely clogging things up

think Randle clogging things might be a symptom of all the bricks from RJ and EF? I mean we know he's got that baby Mamba thing along with an honest desire to put the team on his back. He's clearly not figured out if or how but you have to wonder if these guys are all trying so hard they are getting in each other's way and there's a LOT of bricks coming from everywhere. Feels like everyone is trying to "get going" but that's not really fitting in with the other guy's version of how that's gonna work

“Maple” Mamba!

Randle looks lethargic with the ball. Something just not right with him. I can’t put my finger on it and its not my job.
Norlens and Mitch look not so great. Noel is Gimpy. RJ Trying to hard and EF is also taking it to the rim more. He is adding more to his game. Isn’t that what we want? What is RJ trying to do and looking bad? What about Randle?
What is Thibs doing? Didn’t IQ look bad then it starts Clicking? Obi?

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11/28/2021  11:03 PM
Would love to see RJ add an efficient and very reliable mid range shot.
Barrett. Biggest disappointment

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