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i would offer this to the Bulls for Curry[a very fair deal]
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jazz74
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11/11/2004  2:27 PM
Posted by fishmike:

it is a fair deal but boy is it a risk. EC is going into his contract year and there are so many question marks. You talking about making a huge financial commitment to a very big question mark. This is the kind of mistak that could really cripple us moving forward.

I cant argue with the upside, I'm just not sure Curry is the right fit for this group however. A more athletic defensive type just makes more sense. I would rather have Dalembert than Curry for example.

i am with you on dalembert. i was thinking the other day while watching philly that he has'nt played a minute. i don't think he is hurt becuase i live near philly and would have heard it. what is o'brien thinking? well, traditionally he is not a big man coach so maybe that is the reason but if they are letting dalembert rot on the bench we should make a pitch for him. amazing. a month ago i thought dalembert, iggy and ai were the untradeable part of the team.
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11/11/2004  3:03 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

the only guy i would trade sweetney for is elton brand and thats only if LA is looking to dump salaries
What?? So you wouldn't trade Sweetney for Kevin Garnett? I hope you were just joking

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11/11/2004 15:03:56]
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11/11/2004  3:08 PM
substitute curry with kwame and i have no problems moving sweetney (although he is my favorite knick). it's about putting together the best team and you have to go with a young athletic center over an undersized PF anyday of the week.

curry...man, that i have to think about but i think i may have to do this one also. sweetney is the man, but i also have confidence in aguirre's ability to make something out of that mess.
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11/11/2004  3:12 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by gunsnewing:

the only guy i would trade sweetney for is elton brand and thats only if LA is looking to dump salaries
What?? So you wouldn't trade Sweetney for Kevin Garnett? I hope you were just joking

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11/11/2004 15:03:56]

Minnesota would never trade Garnett! i mentioned Brand because the Clippers have a history of losing players to free agency
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11/11/2004  3:32 PM
Chicago might do TT and Sweetney for Curry and Davis.

Ariza can already play and Robinson can back him up.

It's a great deal for the Knicks

I don't know about Chicago though
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11/11/2004  4:56 PM
As much as I love Sweets, I might give him up in a deal for Curry. People have to remember how hard it is to get a Center like Eddy, especially with the potential he has. I know he hasn't shown anything yet, but he is still better than any big man we have. Plus, it is a whole lot easier to get a good PF than a good C.

I would much rather unload Kurt (whom the Bulls also seem to like) than Sweets, but it would be very hard if not impossible to get the Bulls to accept a deal without Sweets.

BTW if we trade Sweets in a deal to get Curry, there is no way I also put Nazr and Tim in there. If Nazr has to be included, fine, but I don't put Tim in there also because his expiring contract could help us get a decent PF next season.

[Edited by - s3231 on 11/11/2004 16:58:31]
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11/11/2004  5:20 PM
thats the other factor... with Sweetney you can feel pretty confident you have in a bonafide double double PF. Everyone that crosses his path believes in him. Now your only looking to add an athletic 5. If you get Curry you *hoping* he's the real deal AND your *hoping* you can add your athletic 4 at some point. Guys like Camby and KMart dont grow on trees.

The thing that bugs me about trading for Curry is it looks like your giving up one in the hand for two in the bush.
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11/11/2004  5:22 PM
there is huge risk in taking on curry. he's demanding big money when he's a free agent, supposedly wants $10 mil a year. so there are a few things that could happen. unless he proves he's a player this season and we give him what he wants, we're in trouble. if he continues as is, as all indications point to, do we pay obscenely for a guy who may never be good at all? will someone else? if he walks to take big money from, say, memphis, we lose sweetney for no comparable potential gain. or, he becomes the new travis knight, times like three.

ok, i'm gonna say something controversial now. i don't think curry is better than nazr now. they're just as inconsistent, especially on the boards. all curry has is potential, and a bad attitude. i'm really not into trading for eddy.
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11/11/2004  5:32 PM
It's a fair proposal, but I have to think about it. I love Sweetney's game.
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11/11/2004  5:37 PM
Posted by fishmike:

thats the other factor... with Sweetney you can feel pretty confident you have in a bonafide double double PF. Everyone that crosses his path believes in him. Now your only looking to add an athletic 5. If you get Curry you *hoping* he's the real deal AND your *hoping* you can add your athletic 4 at some point. Guys like Camby and KMart dont grow on trees.


The thing that bugs me about trading for Curry is it looks like your giving up one in the hand for two in the bush.








Yea I see what your saying. It is a big risk that can go either way. Personally, I would rather keep Sweets and get an athletic 5 that can block shots, but that is not easy to do of course. Right now however, we have a shot at a very talented big man that can definitely turn into the top Center in the game. Giving up Sweets is hard to do because as you said, he is pretty much a given to put out a double double each night. Like Curry though, you have some question marks with keeping Sweetney here. You hope that Sweets along with an athletic Center (who we don't even know yet) can turn your team into a contender, you hope that Sweets can become a great PF despite his lack of height. If I do a Sweets for Curry deal, one of the main reasons is because it is much easier to get an athletic PF who can block shots than a athletic C who can block shots. The main reason I would probably do a Sweets for Curry deal is the fact that a good Center is more important than having a good PF. Lets remember that we still don't know if Sweets can turn into a good starting PF. While it looks like he will turn into one, nothing is guaranteed. Plus, people have to remember that Eddy Curry has improved each year he has been in the league. Its not like he's been sucking his whole career, the kid is still very young. In the end, I pull the trigger on a Sweets for Curry deal.

[Edited by - s3231 on 11/11/2004 17:39:59]
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11/11/2004  7:18 PM
I agree with marv


KEEP SWEET
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11/11/2004  10:28 PM
Keep Sweetney. Try trading for Curry in another way. If not possible, keep looking for another good trade. There will be some guys avaliable other than Curry.
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11/12/2004  4:29 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/story/252090p-215816c.html

Isiah seeks to
cook up Curry deal


BY FRANK ISOLA
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

The Chicago Bulls are committed to trading Eddy Curry and Isiah Thomas believes he can find a place on his roster for the 21-year-old center.

Thomas spoke with Bulls GM John Paxson yesterday and offered the Knicks' starting center, Nazr Mohammed, for Curry, taken out of an Illinois high school as the fourth pick of the 2001 draft. Paxson rejected the deal but the Bulls would be willing to trade the 7-foot, 285-pounder to New York if Thomas increased his offer by making either Kurt Thomas or Michael Sweetney available.

Paxson was fielding calls from several teams regarding Curry's availability but talks only are in the preliminary stages. The Memphis Grizzlies are considered one of the leading candidates to acquire Curry, whose work ethic and limited production have frustrated the Bulls front office and coaching staff. Chicago would prefer to trade Curry to a Western Conference team.

"I'm not going to be pushed into doing something," Paxson said in Chicago yesterday. "He's our player. He's under contract and we have the rights to him going forward. We're in the better position."

Thomas, the Knicks' president, was in Chicago yesterday to watch free agent Eddie Robinson work out and was unavailable for comment.

Thomas and the Bulls were involved in a major trade over the summer when the two teams hammered out a six-player deal that resulted in a seven-year, $56 million contract for Jamal Crawford. Thomas wants to upgrade his front line and find a young big man to work with Stephon Marbury.

Curry is a nimble center who averaged 14.7 points last season and has a career shooting percentage of 53%. The Bulls elected not to extend Curry's contract before the Oct. 31 deadline, which makes him a restricted free agent in July. His representatives were looking for a six-year, $78 million deal over the summer.

As for Robinson, he is scheduled to take a physical today in New York and the veteran swingman is expected to sign with the Knicks. Robinson's contract was bought out by the Bulls last week.

Robinson will replace recently released Shandon Anderson on the roster. But Robinson, who needs to get himself back in playing shape, could be placed on the injured list on Tuesday, when center Bruno Sundov is eligible to come off.

When Robinson, who was unhappy with his limited role in Chicago, improves his conditioning, he'll be fighting for minutes with Tim Thomas, Penny Hardaway and rookie Trevor Ariza.

"He's not going to take away from Trevor," Knicks coach Lenny Wilkens said. "Trevor is an outstanding young man and I love what he does."

Also, the Knicks will need a roster spot when Allan Houston returns sometime in December. Houston said yesterday that he is close to practicing with the team.

Notebook

THOMAS PROMISE: Wilkens on struggling small forward Tim Thomas: "I'm not going to give up on Tim after a couple of games. That's not fair to him and doesn't make any sense. If it continues I have to make an adjustment."

CLIPPINGS: Shaun Livingston, a 6-7 point guard taken out of Peoria (Ill.) Central HS, is averaging five points and three assists for the improving Clippers, the Knicks' opponent tonight. Former Knick point guard Rick Brunson has 13 assists and zero turnovers in five games for L.A.

Originally published on November 12, 2004
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11/12/2004  7:44 AM
Perfect opportunity to get rid of Kurt Thomas and truly get a young Center like Curry. If I were Isiah, my offer would be: Kurt, Naser and a second round draft pick for Curry
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11/12/2004  7:49 AM
Reportedly Chi is insisting that either KT or Sweets be part of the deal. Problem is the salary differential between KT and Curry. Isiah might roll the dice for something like:

New York trades: C Kurt Thomas (9.3 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 2.0 apg in 34.7 minutes)
New York receives: C Eddy Curry (3.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 17.0 minutes)
Frank Williams (No games yet played in 2004/05)
Jannero Pargo (No games yet played in 2004/05)
Change in team outlook: -6.3 ppg, -5.7 rpg, and -2.0 apg.

Chicago trades: C Eddy Curry (3.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 17.0 minutes)
Frank Williams (No games yet played in 2004/05)
Jannero Pargo (No games yet played in 2004/05)
Chicago receives: C Kurt Thomas (9.3 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 2.0 apg in 34.7 minutes)

Trade works and both teams get something. NYK stop the bleeding in the middle-KT has the heart and work ethic but is too small for the middle. Curry is a greater defensive presence but the knx give up the short lay off jumper with KT. They get younger with potential during a contract year. Williams and Pago are throw ins for salary cap purposes
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11/12/2004  7:54 AM
Posted by diderotn:

Perfect opportunity to get rid of Kurt Thomas and truly get a young Center like Curry. If I were Isiah, my offer would be: Kurt, Naser and a second round draft pick for Curry
The article makes it sound like you wouldn't need to throw the draft pick in. Trading Kurt to get Curry would be taking a step backward for now on defense, but would obviously give us a player with much more upside.
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11/12/2004  8:57 AM
This trade I like, we lose KT's solid 15 footer and defence but gain a strong inside presence and a bonafide monster to clog the lane. He's potentially going to be another underachiever on this roster if he comes but we arent giving up too much which we arent gaining in other areas if we trade KT but.......

KT for Curry and filler wont make CHicago bite IMO. THey already have their hardowrking full of heart big men in AD. They went down that route trading much more talented players like Marshall and Rose for solid pros in AD and JYD and it didnt work, would they do the same thing twice, when there are quite a number of teams out there with much better deals on the table? Jerry West for one is interested and he's got far more attractive chips to bargain with than we have. His stockpiling of talent didnt just make his team deep, it left him with loads of trade bait.

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11/12/2004  8:59 AM

What can Memphis offer?

Nazr and kurt we can live with. I think with that much salary going out, we will have to take on a bad deal. Its our advantage, we can take on contracts others cannot. Eddie and Davis (if his wife does not mind) in return might work. We have to do the bulls a favor.

Waitresses will run in fear when Sweets and Eddy come in to eat!

Now we are trading FOR frank?
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11/12/2004  9:04 AM
Memphis could equal or better ours by giving up Posey or Bonzi Wells. Looking at Ben Gordon's strugles at 2 it might appeal to them.
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11/12/2004  9:05 AM
Nalod: You are funny man, but I will admit this, I have become a big KT fan of late because of his steadiness and work ethic, but if that is all it takes to get curry then I would do it, we must remember that our ultimate goal is to win a ring, if curry pans out he can dominate, and will give us a young nucleus for years to come....
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
i would offer this to the Bulls for Curry[a very fair deal]

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