Philc1 wrote:This is what Randle has been most of his career except last season. That’s why I wanted to trade him last summer and why I was at least initially against locking him up long term not until after this season

Fournier’s contract right now is by far the worst on our roster. We can live and win with Randle at 75% of what he was last season

I don't agree but we are screwed if you are right and last season was a fluke. I still believe Randle figures it out and gets back to All-Star level. This week against the Rockets, Lakers, Suns and Hawks would be a nice time to atart.

SergioNYK wrote:

Philc1 wrote:This is what Randle has been most of his career except last season. That’s why I wanted to trade him last summer and why I was at least initially against locking him up long term not until after this season

Fournier’s contract right now is by far the worst on our roster. We can live and win with Randle at 75% of what he was last season

I don't agree but we are screwed if you are right and last season was a fluke. I still believe Randle figures it out and gets back to All-Star level. This week against the Rockets, Lakers, Suns and Hawks would be a nice time to atart.

Randle is a walking double double. As long as he shoots 35% or more from 3 he will be fine. He sucked in 2019 because he shot 29% from 3. He has to shoot the 3 effectively well to keep defenses honest otherwise they just camp out in the zone

BigDaddyG wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

Philc1 wrote:This is what Randle has been most of his career except last season. That’s why I wanted to trade him last summer and why I was at least initially against locking him up long term not until after this season

Fournier’s contract right now is by far the worst on our roster. We can live and win with Randle at 75% of what he was last season

I don't agree but we are screwed if you are right and last season was a fluke. I still believe Randle figures it out and gets back to All-Star level. This week against the Rockets, Lakers, Suns and Hawks would be a nice time to atart.

Randle is a walking double double. As long as he shoots 35% or more from 3 he will be fine. He sucked in 2019 because he shot 29% from 3. He has to shoot the 3 effectively well to keep defenses honest otherwise they just camp out in the zone

His three point % isn't the problem. It's his shot profile. If you're open, take the shot. If you need to shoot of the dribble, pass for a better shot. Anyway, the biggest issue with him is his decision making. He played without getting sped up last season and now the clock is edging closer to midnight and he's reverting back to Spinderella.

Yes He was making difficult mid range jumpers last year when he was covered consistently. That was his bread and butter. But his 3 point % was excellent at 41% especially for a big man

A poster made a comment that the hawks exposed Randle and showed how to guard him. I don’t know if it was a strategy thing or just the fact that Capela was on the floor and if you noticed last game Bamba was in the paint and he is blossoming this year. Teams with rim protectors bug Randle

Maybe Obi needs to play more whenever we face a legit rim protecting C because we tend to play more full court press than half court ISO

I love Julius Randle.

MS wrote:Julius doesn’t look locked in.

He’s been unbelievably sloppy with the ball and he’s not making quick decisions. He can’t seem to get separation, he’s taking off balanced 3 pointers and the pick and roll handoffs aren’t crisp.

I do feel the Knicks have a bit of the Hawks problem going on. Too many good players, not enough great players. The rotations are off and there are too many minutes to spread around.

The starting lineup doesn’t fit and Burks and Fournier are more effective when dribbling the ball. As is Barrett and Kemba needs the rock to be effective.

A trade does need to be made to free up some time. Otherwise I think this is the Randle we are going to see for the foreseeable future.

Could be and it also took Atlanta long while to figure it out. New coach mid season last year and now this year they are figuring it out again.

jskinny35 wrote:Speaking of Atlanta - swapping Randle and Seldon for Bogdanovic and Reddish could probably help both teams rosters...

Why would Atl want Randle when they just extended Collins who plays the same position?

MS wrote:Julius doesn’t look locked in.

He’s been unbelievably sloppy with the ball and he’s not making quick decisions. He can’t seem to get separation, he’s taking off balanced 3 pointers and the pick and roll handoffs aren’t crisp.

I do feel the Knicks have a bit of the Hawks problem going on. Too many good players, not enough great players. The rotations are off and there are too many minutes to spread around.

The starting lineup doesn’t fit and Burks and Fournier are more effective when dribbling the ball. As is Barrett and Kemba needs the rock to be effective.

A trade does need to be made to free up some time. Otherwise I think this is the Randle we are going to see for the foreseeable future.

Uptown wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:Speaking of Atlanta - swapping Randle and Seldon for Bogdanovic and Reddish could probably help both teams rosters...

Why would Atl want Randle when they just extended Collins who plays the same position?

Not saying this should/would happen - but Trae seems to need another shot creator with him to take some pressure off. Knicks def need more spacing and outside shooting which Bogs and Reddish would bring.

Philc1 wrote:This is what Randle has been most of his career except last season. That’s why I wanted to trade him last summer and why I was at least initially against locking him up long term not until after this season

Fournier’s contract right now is by far the worst on our roster. We can live and win with Randle at 75% of what he was last season

Randle was what except for last year? His stats have always been good? My prediction is that everyone will be chanting MVP by the end of the year again.

EF is what we wanted. Good shooter that can also drive and put pressure on a defense. He has done that when he is not struggling. The other problem that he has had is that Burkes has had it going recently. Earlier in the year it was the other way around. Hopefully they can both get it going at the same time.

We would be 10 games below. 500 without Julius Randle this year.

Point. Blank. Period.

It's as simple as that.

Other players that are struggling like Randle? Was listening to Brian Windhorst pod cast and they were discussing both Knicks and Celitcs. Notion of thinking was if knicks repeated last season it would have been a surprise. While they noted the “improvments and depth”, they could not see how the record could really have improved. They are surprised RJ is struggling. Surprised and don’t understand why Randle and Tatum are both having the isuses they are. For Tatum, they think he takes really hard shots and since a rookie he on avg shoots further and further from the basket. I think there is some resemblance to that in Randles game.
Last night he really limited his three ball. I offer no solutions with the delusion I can “fix him”.

I believe there is a chemistry and roles that are not aggregating to the same elements and forumula as last year. Its often possible teams strive and don’t execute. Tatum is even more a star than Randle and not achieving.

RJ had 15 rebounds last night. Shot 2-12. That tells you something. Does not take a scientist to label this “Inconsistant”.
RJ bounces just not back, he historically bounces further. My take he keeps adding to his game and it gets in his head. He is playing far more 3 than at the two.

Team has issues no doubt. Will they get it together this year or they just about a .500 just up or below? I don’t know.