Knixkik wrote:The simplest way to improve is not to overreact and let the new guys figure it out. They didn’t suddenly forget how to play basketball. This is a good team that needs to stop worrying about getting out of the other persons way. Chemistry will build.

Agreed. Give it to Christmas. You shatter any confidence that is left if you bench Fournier 15 games in. And I'll say it again - leave the bench alone! It's our biggest strength!

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Serious question are we really going to pay RJ Barrett 20 million + a year? We are already saddled with Fournier who is a top 20 if not top 10 worst contracts in the NBA

We really need to get rid of Fournier’s contract. I’d trade the next Mavericks pick to dump his salary on a team like OKC

You want to trade Fournier because he hasn't played well in 2 weeks?

That's not even equal to a 90 day probation period on a regular job..

So you prefer to wait until Fournier has destroyed all his trade value and cost us the playoffs?

Ahhhh, no one can claim to be a true Knicks fan unless prone to panic when things go sour and to exuberant highs when the team strings together a couple of wins, often hitting both extremes within a single week!

Fournier is overpaid, that has been clear from the date he got signed. But half of today's NBA is overpaid.

The pieces are there. There is still upside from having the team jell. Trying to trade Fournier right after signing him would be the single biggest hit to his trade value one can imagine. He is still a good shooter and a smart passer, he will find his role on the team. Thibs will figure out how to cover for defensive shortcomings. And if Kemba's knees hold up, we could make the playoffs and maybe win a series. What is the problem?

So recognizing reality is “panic?” The defensive plus minus of our starting five is abysmal while we are locked into a 4 year deal with Fournier

Ways to improve:
1) this is crucial. Every time Mitch or Noel go for a block(nearly almost every possession) our power forward needs to automatically assume the boxing out position. Find the nearest opposing center/big and box out. This would give us 2-3 possessions per game if not more
2) try PnR with Obi
3) run backdoor plays when the big (Randle,Taj) has the ball ready for a hand off simultaneously as someone is coming for a curl for said handoff in the backcourt. So far it's 100% handoff always , which is easy to predict/ counter

Those are mostly without altering our offense all together

ramtour420 wrote:RJ is future, settle down.

Ways to improve:
1) this is crucial. Every time Mitch or Noel go for a block(nearly almost every possession) our power forward needs to automatically assume the boxing out position. Find the nearest opposing center/big and box out. This would give us 2-3 possessions per game if not more
2) try PnR with Obi
3) run backdoor plays when the big (Randle,Taj) has the ball ready for a hand off simultaneously as someone is coming for a curl for said handoff in the backcourt. So far it's 100% handoff always , which is easy to predict/ counter

Those are mostly without altering our offense all together

Yes RJ is the future, but the future is now. I'm not saying trade him, but he may need a few games off the bench to get his head straight. He's regressing.

Their 3pt'ers are open, they are just not falling

knicks1248 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Serious question are we really going to pay RJ Barrett 20 million + a year? We are already saddled with Fournier who is a top 20 if not top 10 worst contracts in the NBA

We really need to get rid of Fournier’s contract. I’d trade the next Mavericks pick to dump his salary on a team like OKC

You want to trade Fournier because he hasn't played well in 2 weeks?

That's not even equal to a 90 day probation period on a regular job..

Anyone calling for changes 16 games into the season is just an unrealistic knee jerk fan. May I remind everyone complaining of the lack of chemistry in the starting lineup that chemistry takes more time than it takes to build an Ikea table. May I also remind everyone that the big three in Miami went 9-8 when they first got together. And they had 3 HOF players and probably the best all around in history. We don't.

All this talk is laughable. We have three NEW players in the starting lineup. None in the second unit. Yet the Mensa crowd wonders why the second unit is jelling just a bit better? Think we need to let the starting 5 time to put it together. They have all shown signs of why we signed them. They just need time to figure each other out. Goal should be getting them playing at their best come playoff time. Not in early November to satisfy all the arm chair GM's that wanted every other player in FA. Last I checked trophies are not handed out at Christmas.

Btw, same posting 24/7 calling for change are the same that had IQ and Burkes off the team day 5. Smh

HofstraBBall wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Serious question are we really going to pay RJ Barrett 20 million + a year? We are already saddled with Fournier who is a top 20 if not top 10 worst contracts in the NBA

We really need to get rid of Fournier’s contract. I’d trade the next Mavericks pick to dump his salary on a team like OKC

You want to trade Fournier because he hasn't played well in 2 weeks?

That's not even equal to a 90 day probation period on a regular job..

Anyone calling for changes 16 games into the season is just an unrealistic knee jerk fan. May I remind everyone complaining of the lack of chemistry in the starting lineup that chemistry takes more time than it takes to build an Ikea table. May I also remind everyone that the big three in Miami went 9-8 when they first got together. And they had 3 HOF players and probably the best all around in history. We don't.

All this talk is laughable. We have three NEW players in the starting lineup. None in the second unit. Yet the Mensa crowd wonders why the second unit is jelling just a bit better? Think we need to let the starting 5 time to put it together. They have all shown signs of why we signed them. They just need time to figure each other out. Goal should be getting them playing at their best come playoff time. Not in early November to satisfy all the arm chair GM's that wanted every other player in FA. Last I checked trophies are not handed out at Christmas.

Btw, same posting 24/7 calling for change are the same that had IQ and Burkes off the team day 5. Smh

Remind people how long it took the 2010 Miami team with LeBron, Wade, Z, Bosh and company to jell. Started 9-8.

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Serious question are we really going to pay RJ Barrett 20 million + a year? We are already saddled with Fournier who is a top 20 if not top 10 worst contracts in the NBA

We really need to get rid of Fournier’s contract. I’d trade the next Mavericks pick to dump his salary on a team like OKC

You want to trade Fournier because he hasn't played well in 2 weeks?

That's not even equal to a 90 day probation period on a regular job..

Anyone calling for changes 16 games into the season is just an unrealistic knee jerk fan. May I remind everyone complaining of the lack of chemistry in the starting lineup that chemistry takes more time than it takes to build an Ikea table. May I also remind everyone that the big three in Miami went 9-8 when they first got together. And they had 3 HOF players and probably the best all around in history. We don't.

All this talk is laughable. We have three NEW players in the starting lineup. None in the second unit. Yet the Mensa crowd wonders why the second unit is jelling just a bit better? Think we need to let the starting 5 time to put it together. They have all shown signs of why we signed them. They just need time to figure each other out. Goal should be getting them playing at their best come playoff time. Not in early November to satisfy all the arm chair GM's that wanted every other player in FA. Last I checked trophies are not handed out at Christmas.

Btw, same posting 24/7 calling for change are the same that had IQ and Burkes off the team day 5. Smh

Remind people how long it took the 2010 Miami team with LeBron, Wade, Z, Bosh and company to jell. Started 9-8.

Ah yes so many similarities between us and the Lebron/Wade/Bosh superteam

This is what you take away from my statement? Philc1, you dumb down things to a level of nonsense I don't even know how to interact with.

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Serious question are we really going to pay RJ Barrett 20 million + a year? We are already saddled with Fournier who is a top 20 if not top 10 worst contracts in the NBA

We really need to get rid of Fournier’s contract. I’d trade the next Mavericks pick to dump his salary on a team like OKC

You want to trade Fournier because he hasn't played well in 2 weeks?

That's not even equal to a 90 day probation period on a regular job..

Anyone calling for changes 16 games into the season is just an unrealistic knee jerk fan. May I remind everyone complaining of the lack of chemistry in the starting lineup that chemistry takes more time than it takes to build an Ikea table. May I also remind everyone that the big three in Miami went 9-8 when they first got together. And they had 3 HOF players and probably the best all around in history. We don't.

All this talk is laughable. We have three NEW players in the starting lineup. None in the second unit. Yet the Mensa crowd wonders why the second unit is jelling just a bit better? Think we need to let the starting 5 time to put it together. They have all shown signs of why we signed them. They just need time to figure each other out. Goal should be getting them playing at their best come playoff time. Not in early November to satisfy all the arm chair GM's that wanted every other player in FA. Last I checked trophies are not handed out at Christmas.

Btw, same posting 24/7 calling for change are the same that had IQ and Burkes off the team day 5. Smh

Remind people how long it took the 2010 Miami team with LeBron, Wade, Z, Bosh and company to jell. Started 9-8.

Ah yes so many similarities between us and the Lebron/Wade/Bosh superteam

This is what you take away from my statement? Philc1, you dumb down things to a level of nonsense I don't even know how to interact with.

You’re comparing a decent second tier Knicks team to a superteam dynasty that won 2 championships and appeared in 4 Finals. Sounds valid.

No, your assumption - and it's a bad one - is that I'm comparing them. I'm reminding people that even a team with superstars take a long while to find familiarity and get to a point where they are all on the same page. And the next logical, unspoken step is that it may take longer for a team without that type of caliber player.

Just because two different teams are in the same sentence does not make it a comparison. Can we get past surface level stuff?