xavier wrote:

franco12 wrote:My wish in the off season would have been to sign Ball. I haven’t watched the bulls play, but maybe the move would have been for DeRozan or Spencer Dinwiddie.

A good portion of us wanted Ball, but unfortunately he went to Chicago. DeRozan is not an ideal solution in the long run, which I wrote, but in the short term he is certainly a much "stronger" player than Fournier. So the Bulls hit pretty good with reinforcements and now they have a LaVine-DeRozan-Ball-Vucevic core which is realistically a lot stronger than our core.

Derozan 2021 = Amare 2010

Both guys started out hot with their new teams. And then reality hit

smackeddog wrote:After 5 games you wanted IQ benched, 5 games later you made a thread calling for him to be made starter. Yet still you find the concept of patience outrageous.

Philc1 wrote:

xavier wrote:

franco12 wrote:My wish in the off season would have been to sign Ball. I haven’t watched the bulls play, but maybe the move would have been for DeRozan or Spencer Dinwiddie.

A good portion of us wanted Ball, but unfortunately he went to Chicago. DeRozan is not an ideal solution in the long run, which I wrote, but in the short term he is certainly a much "stronger" player than Fournier. So the Bulls hit pretty good with reinforcements and now they have a LaVine-DeRozan-Ball-Vucevic core which is realistically a lot stronger than our core.

Derozan 2021 = Amare 2010

Both guys started out hot with their new teams. And then reality hit

You can do this after 20% of the season passed and project 5 years? That was Amare’s contract.
Amare had knee and back issues to the degree PHX only offered 3 years. That was the right time frame. We made him an offer he could not refuse.
Is DeRozen paid like a tier one star for 5 years? Nope, 81mm over 3 years. Amare got like 100mil over 5 years. ELEVEN YEARS AGO!!!!
Is Derozen injury prone with prexisting issues? Nope. He is the 3rd option for now. Good player.
Not our timeline and at the end of the day Bulls wanted him and got via sign and trade. Was it a good idea?
lets see how it plays out. THat is reality.

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

xavier wrote:

franco12 wrote:My wish in the off season would have been to sign Ball. I haven’t watched the bulls play, but maybe the move would have been for DeRozan or Spencer Dinwiddie.

A good portion of us wanted Ball, but unfortunately he went to Chicago. DeRozan is not an ideal solution in the long run, which I wrote, but in the short term he is certainly a much "stronger" player than Fournier. So the Bulls hit pretty good with reinforcements and now they have a LaVine-DeRozan-Ball-Vucevic core which is realistically a lot stronger than our core.

Derozan 2021 = Amare 2010

Both guys started out hot with their new teams. And then reality hit

You can do this after 20% of the season passed and project 5 years? That was Amare’s contract.
Amare had knee and back issues to the degree PHX only offered 3 years. That was the right time frame. We made him an offer he could not refuse.
Is DeRozen paid like a tier one star for 5 years? Nope, 81mm over 3 years. Amare got like 100mil over 5 years. ELEVEN YEARS AGO!!!!
Is Derozen injury prone with prexisting issues? Nope. He is the 3rd option for now. Good player.
Not our timeline and at the end of the day Bulls wanted him and got via sign and trade. Was it a good idea?
lets see how it plays out. THat is reality.

He’s 32 and it’s an 82 game season. Reality is undefeated

BRIGGS wrote:We can be patient all we want. Fourmier and Kemba sets us back defensibly and there is no miracle change. I think with Fourmier we spent money for money sake. A possible upgrade to Bullock but we did not think about the other side of the ball. Now locked into big $$$$

we also have a coach who will do the same thing day in day out with no thought to change--but what gonna change? Only way to do it is to DO IT

This was apparent when we were 4-1 But its ez to hide behind 4-1

Other than Julius--man I would try full scale changes

Play Julius at C and hell be the biggest mismatch night mare in the league

Put Obi at the 4

Burcks at 3

Grimes at 2

IQ at 1 guard

6th man Barrett
C Noel/robinson
PG Rose
SG Fournier

Use Kemba off the bench as a utility/situational scorer if we go ten deep

Play fast and then come in with a solid unit 2

BRIGGS wrote:were gonna patience ourselves into the lottery

This was apparent when we were 4-1 But its ez to hide behind 4-1

Other than Julius--man I would try full scale changes

Play Julius at C and hell be the biggest mismatch night mare in the league

Put Obi at the 4

Burcks at 3

Grimes at 2

IQ at 1 guard

6th man Barrett
C Noel/robinson
PG Rose
SG Fournier

Use Kemba off the bench as a utility/situational scorer if we go ten deep

Play fast and then come in with a solid unit 2

Problem is you can’t start Rose or otherwise he gets burned out by the 3rd quarter

BRIGGS wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:were gonna patience ourselves into the lottery

This was apparent when we were 4-1 But its ez to hide behind 4-1

Other than Julius--man I would try full scale changes

Play Julius at C and hell be the biggest mismatch night mare in the league

Put Obi at the 4

Burcks at 3

Grimes at 2

IQ at 1 guard

6th man Barrett
C Noel/robinson
PG Rose
SG Fournier

Use Kemba off the bench as a utility/situational scorer if we go ten deep

Play fast and then come in with a solid unit 2

Problem is you can’t start Rose or otherwise he gets burned out by the 3rd quarter

Yeah Im keeping him unit 2 no matter what.

Im thinking if we can move Fourmier and Barrett to unit 2 they can play with less pressure. the starting line up becomes faster.

I know Barrett’s shooting has sucked last 10 games but last night his defense and rebounding was off the charts good

Slumps happen. IQ couldn’t put the ball in the ocean first 10 games of the year now everyone wants him to play 48 minutes a night

Fournier is probably getting benched after we go 2-3 games below .500

knicks1248 wrote:We don't play enough small ball, and the starters are strictly a half court team that will struggle to score because they will always face a set defense on almost every possessions..

kemba is the new ELF, so we still haven't solved our PG issue and Randle is still our primary Ball handler, who walks the ball up court LIKE FRANK on almost every possession

When Randle posts up and draw double teams, nobody moves and rotates to the open spot the way Bullocks did by the time they do, it's 4 to 5 seconds left on the shot clock resulting in a rush shot, or turnover...that's why Founier and RJ shoot so poorly, they hardly get good rhythm shots

This seems like a stretch by even your standards.

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We can be patient all we want. Fourmier and Kemba sets us back defensibly and there is no miracle change. I think with Fourmier we spent money for money sake. A possible upgrade to Bullock but we did not think about the other side of the ball. Now locked into big $$$$

we also have a coach who will do the same thing day in day out with no thought to change--but what gonna change? Only way to do it is to DO IT

quit being a twat. The person doing the same thing day in and day out is you. Starting crying threads and this one isnt even accurate. Didnt Thibs bench the starters and play the bench the entire 4th? Didnt he extend the bench minutes a game that? Didnt he replace guys struggling like RJ/Kemba/EF with Burks/IQ/Rose? Those differences in minutes and rotations is "doing the same thing?"

I'll agree Briggs whines a lot, but while you're right that Thibs has changed playing time around, this team needs some more dramatic change. I don't understand why he is set with having the bench unit together- please switch some things up, get IQ and Obi into the starting line, see if that sparks any signs of life into RJ & Randle.

And I do wonder if we had a coach like if we'd be talking about the same kind of struggles. I think there is a way to teach guys to think about basketball and while I have been surprised by some of the offensive outbursts we've had, overwhelmingly it seems like we play unimaginative basketball system wise.

Thibs won't be the first COY winner to be fired

Taking a step back. We all assumed we'd be better this year. I didn't think it was a guarantee, but it's safe to understand how fans felt that way, how our front office and coaching staff felt this way.

There are some new parts that on paper seem to make us better.

Maybe they need time to figure out how to play together.

But I think what we have witnessed is a whole lot of warts that we didn't see before.

Nothing is guaranteed in sports. That's why it's better than watching reruns of the same old crap on TV.

Last year was special.

I hope Thibs can make some adjustments.