[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Cleveland was better
Author Thread
knicks1248
Posts: 42059
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 2/3/2004
Member: #582
11/8/2021  11:36 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/8/2021  11:38 AM
We can't guard the perimeter with Mitch, Randle and Fournier, we are not a very fast team with Mitch, Randle and Fournier...can't keep these 3 together..

When we lose it's because we got lit up from the perimeter, or run out of the building on fast breaks.

Yo, the Raptors started 3sg, 2sf, and 6 8" pf at center.

Miles turner was draining 3's for the pacers

Rubio look like the best shooter in the NBA

Cole Anthony lit us up for a career night.

We may have the talent, but we don't have the proper rotation.

ES
AUTOADVERT
Nalod
Posts: 71092
Alba Posts: 155
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
11/8/2021  11:43 AM
Rookie wrote:
Nalod wrote:…..on any given sunday

I have to wonder if the way the game is being officiated this year is making teams w/o star treatment more competitive. I don’t have a stat, but I think foul calls across the league are down overall. Refs are letting them play. You keep seeing young guys guarding stars and making life difficult w/o questionable fouls being called.

Its a good take.
Last night Randle pushed a defender while he had two hands on the ball. Like pushed the ball into his chest and got called for an offensive. I don’t think I have ever seen that. Julius did not argue it.
I like the changes. Harden had a better game yesterday. He and Trae were poster players for the changes.
The other night Conaughtan was trailing Randle who had the ball at half court. He stopped to get contact, might have been a call last year on Conaughton but they let it go. He in turn tried to sell it hard to draw an offensive and it was comical how he bounced off him. Great non call!
Some of this I believe contributes to IQ’s slow start this year. His playmaking in large had a motion to draw contact then he’d take a shot. That is diminished. He’ll come around. So will trae young and Harden.
But as you said it might be offering more parity which is not a bad thing league wise.

Uptown
Posts: 31303
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 4/1/2008
Member: #1883

11/8/2021  12:12 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
TPercy wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
ToddTT wrote:If we keep defending like this, most teams are better than us.

Yeah, this team has become too reliant on pull-up threes. It's an important skill, but the team isn't going to be as efficient taking them over the long haul. This team isn't good enough to think. It can just gunsling it's way to a W.


If I'm being honest, thats a lot of teams in this league. And I think we've done a good job at creating looks for 3s but yes we are reliant on them.

Yeah, but those teams, at least the good ones, also run consistently effective motions on offense and get into the paint to create good spot up opportunities. I don't feel the shots have been coming as easily and we've just been really hot. Let's be real. Kemba ain't gonna keep shooting like this. We're going going to need him to consistently take the paint.

Most of our shots are contested. We rarely create easy looks for each. Part of it is lack of offensive imagination from the coaching staff; and part of it is we do not have a player that can consistently get into the paint, collapse the D and generate open looks for himself and others. Rose does it occasionally, but when he gets into the paint its mainly to score himself.

BigDaddyG
Posts: 39792
Alba Posts: 9
Joined: 1/22/2010
Member: #3049

11/8/2021  12:57 PM
Uptown wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
TPercy wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
ToddTT wrote:If we keep defending like this, most teams are better than us.

Yeah, this team has become too reliant on pull-up threes. It's an important skill, but the team isn't going to be as efficient taking them over the long haul. This team isn't good enough to think. It can just gunsling it's way to a W.


If I'm being honest, thats a lot of teams in this league. And I think we've done a good job at creating looks for 3s but yes we are reliant on them.

Yeah, but those teams, at least the good ones, also run consistently effective motions on offense and get into the paint to create good spot up opportunities. I don't feel the shots have been coming as easily and we've just been really hot. Let's be real. Kemba ain't gonna keep shooting like this. We're going going to need him to consistently take the paint.

Most of our shots are contested. We rarely create easy looks for each. Part of it is lack of offensive imagination from the coaching staff; and part of it is we do not have a player that can consistently get into the paint, collapse the D and generate open looks for himself and others. Rose does it occasionally, but when he gets into the paint its mainly to score himself.

Yep, I'm not concerned about the volume of threes just the quality. I'd like Julius to realize he needs to out less emphasis on scoring and more emphasis on moving the ball. Not saying he's a complete black hole, but he goes through this periods where he feels he need to score regardless of the game scenario. I know he can score and pass, but the next step for him is to think the game and read the floor. Kemba isn't as good a finisher but I'd still like to see him breakdown the defense more. The deeper he gets into the paint, the better opportunity there will be for open shots. I like that we have guys who can shoot the long-range J off the dribble. Doesn't change the fact the best 3 is an open spot, preferably from the corners.

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
smackeddog
Posts: 38389
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 3/30/2005
Member: #883
11/8/2021  1:24 PM
I do get jealous of a lot of these young players who look like they could be franchise changers- much as I like our young guys, I just don't think they're going to be on the same level as Mobley, or even Toronto's Scottie Barnes
Nalod
Posts: 71092
Alba Posts: 155
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
11/8/2021  1:32 PM
smackeddog wrote:I do get jealous of a lot of these young players who look like they could be franchise changers- much as I like our young guys, I just don't think they're going to be on the same level as Mobley, or even Toronto's Scottie Barnes

High pedigree guys are lottery pics. WE not there. Focus on RJ. Just a tip to keep sane.
Mobley might be the highest ceiling guy from last year.

Rookie
Posts: 26993
Alba Posts: 28
Joined: 10/15/2008
Member: #2274

11/8/2021  1:35 PM
smackeddog wrote:I do get jealous of a lot of these young players who look like they could be franchise changers- much as I like our young guys, I just don't think they're going to be on the same level as Mobley, or even Toronto's Scottie Barnes

I was going with envious

TPercy
Posts: 28010
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 2/5/2014
Member: #5748

11/8/2021  1:39 PM
Uptown wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
TPercy wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
ToddTT wrote:If we keep defending like this, most teams are better than us.

Yeah, this team has become too reliant on pull-up threes. It's an important skill, but the team isn't going to be as efficient taking them over the long haul. This team isn't good enough to think. It can just gunsling it's way to a W.


If I'm being honest, thats a lot of teams in this league. And I think we've done a good job at creating looks for 3s but yes we are reliant on them.

Yeah, but those teams, at least the good ones, also run consistently effective motions on offense and get into the paint to create good spot up opportunities. I don't feel the shots have been coming as easily and we've just been really hot. Let's be real. Kemba ain't gonna keep shooting like this. We're going going to need him to consistently take the paint.

Most of our shots are contested. We rarely create easy looks for each. Part of it is lack of offensive imagination from the coaching staff; and part of it is we do not have a player that can consistently get into the paint, collapse the D and generate open looks for himself and others. Rose does it occasionally, but when he gets into the paint its mainly to score himself.


Well on the topic of 3s when you compare NYK to GSW we arnt completely far off. They've generated 143 and 188 open and wide open 3pt looks and we've attempted 157 and 155 respectively per NBA shot tracking stats. Could be better yes but keep in mind GSW has two top tier passers in Steph and Dray. We are also above average in drives and pts off drives.
The Future is Bright!
BigDaddyG
Posts: 39792
Alba Posts: 9
Joined: 1/22/2010
Member: #3049

11/8/2021  2:19 PM
TPercy wrote:
Uptown wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
TPercy wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
ToddTT wrote:If we keep defending like this, most teams are better than us.

Yeah, this team has become too reliant on pull-up threes. It's an important skill, but the team isn't going to be as efficient taking them over the long haul. This team isn't good enough to think. It can just gunsling it's way to a W.


If I'm being honest, thats a lot of teams in this league. And I think we've done a good job at creating looks for 3s but yes we are reliant on them.

Yeah, but those teams, at least the good ones, also run consistently effective motions on offense and get into the paint to create good spot up opportunities. I don't feel the shots have been coming as easily and we've just been really hot. Let's be real. Kemba ain't gonna keep shooting like this. We're going going to need him to consistently take the paint.

Most of our shots are contested. We rarely create easy looks for each. Part of it is lack of offensive imagination from the coaching staff; and part of it is we do not have a player that can consistently get into the paint, collapse the D and generate open looks for himself and others. Rose does it occasionally, but when he gets into the paint its mainly to score himself.


Well on the topic of 3s when you compare NYK to GSW we arnt completely far off. They've generated 143 and 188 open and wide open 3pt looks and we've attempted 157 and 155 respectively per NBA shot tracking stats. Could be better yes but keep in mind GSW has two top tier passers in Steph and Dray. We are also above average in drives and pts off drives.

Yeah, but we rank in the bottom third of wide open threes and the top third in tightly contested and contested shots according to NBA.com. I just don't see that as being sustainable on a night to night basis.
Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
Cleveland was better

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy