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KnickDanger
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11/1/2021  12:09 PM
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TheGame wrote:And to think I wondered if the Knicks should have drafted Barrett due to concerns over his defense. It was close, but I was thinking DeAndre Hunter might have been a better pick. Hunter is a good player, but we definitely got the third best player in that draft. If his shot starts to fall like it did in the Bulls game, he is on his way to being an All-Star.

Same. DeAndre Hunter was my pick that year. Still believe he will become one of the better players from that draft class.

I'm enjoying what I'm seeing so far from Barrett. He is a legit NBA starter but the homerism from some of the members on this thread is a little of hand. In this very young season, the progression is there but let's wait a while before we start calling him a "superstar" or one of NBA best two way players.


Although it's okay to call him a bust after two Summer League games . I completely agree on holding off on the anointing. As I believe on the rush to judgement in general. Good luck with that in the sports world!
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11/1/2021  1:04 PM
Best in the NBA at anything after 6 games is a bit premature. But the progression is nice to see, and his game doesn't lend itself to injury. Kid's smooth and strong. He's missed 10 games in 2+ seasons. That's sort of comforting after living through the Roosters and KP's of the world.
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11/1/2021  1:15 PM
foosballnick wrote:
Nalod wrote:Barret has been building and building under the radar week to week with steady progress. Like his game, not flashy instant results.

He consistently get gets better. Results are what they are. Our words or hype never spoke as much as his truth.
His third season just starting. Sure I’d have liked to take Ja over RJ. THe Zion thing? Thats a tough one. Kid might be one of the greatest offensve weapons given his handle, passing, rebounding, etc………but the obvious at draft time and lingers worse is the mass/fat and human engineering of feet, ankle, knee that propels that mass like none other. Zion small sample are impressive as hell when he is on the court. Nalod was weary of drafting him and would be in any trade for those reasons.
PHil foretold his concerns with KP which is why he might have fallen to 4th. At that point it was a no brainer to take that risk as his upside was there. WE all saw his 2nd half season. The kid was special. PHil thought is lower body was not developed enough. He was right. Knee and back issues have limited his career from early unicorn hopes. Zion, even more than KP was seen as perhaps the next transcendent thing not seem before. Both had extreme body dimensions for the talent they possessed. But those bodies are paying a price.

I streamed the Knicks-Pelicans game on the New Orleans broadcast feed. The advertisements and fan engagement were fairly rinky dink in a minor league baseball kind of way. For instance at halftime they broadcast 2 fans who had to dig through a bowl of candy with a plastic spoon in their mouths to get to and eat the Rolo candy first. The only adds I saw were Smoothy King and Ibotta and they spend an inordinate amount of filler broadcasting fans dancing on "Dance Cam" with a half-filled arena.

My observation is that there is little chance Zion will stay in New Orleans for the longer term unless that team makes significant strides into a winning franchise. Also in looking at him on the sidelines, looks like his weight might have ballooned. A prudent franchise might want to have a full time Strength & Conditioning coach as well as personal nutritionist assigned just to him. At 250-275 he's a beast. At his reported 315+ weight his knees and ankles are yelling at him to stop the insanity.

The arena did not look very full in the lower bowl during the game. Not sure what that lease looks like but Seattle and Vegas are prime. Louisvile is foaming at the mouth to have a franchise.

At the end of the day we don’t know who is employed to help players but we frequently hear big money guys hire cooks and stay on an agenda. YOu don’t think Zion knows drinking mountain dew is bad for you? Or that stepping on scale tells a story? Or he broke his foot working out is an issue?

Also, that him being on the court is a difference maker. The team has bent to him. He should be begging for an extension then be that ******* dude that begs out. KP wanted out but he was the dude we wanted to build around. ZIon is next. I can’t speak for him or his habits but teams need be worried trading for him and he should be worried about getting chronically hurt and not get a payday.

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11/1/2021  5:39 PM
Question: what extension is Frank looking at if he continues to improve at the level he has. We looking at Lonzo ball type of extension? A market max?
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11/2/2021  9:09 AM
KnickDanger wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
TheGame wrote:And to think I wondered if the Knicks should have drafted Barrett due to concerns over his defense. It was close, but I was thinking DeAndre Hunter might have been a better pick. Hunter is a good player, but we definitely got the third best player in that draft. If his shot starts to fall like it did in the Bulls game, he is on his way to being an All-Star.

Same. DeAndre Hunter was my pick that year. Still believe he will become one of the better players from that draft class.

I'm enjoying what I'm seeing so far from Barrett. He is a legit NBA starter but the homerism from some of the members on this thread is a little of hand. In this very young season, the progression is there but let's wait a while before we start calling him a "superstar" or one of NBA best two way players.


Although it's okay to call him a bust after two Summer League games . I completely agree on holding off on the anointing. As I believe on the rush to judgement in general. Good luck with that in the sports world!

I don't think I've ever called him a bust. Was always glad the Knicks drafted him but I have yet to see him in the light that same on the board see him as *yet* (All-Star, superstar).

I have always viewed Barrett as a Wilson Chandler type player. A player that can start on any NBA team and is good at everything but not great at anything.

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11/2/2021  9:55 AM
Swishfm3 wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
TheGame wrote:And to think I wondered if the Knicks should have drafted Barrett due to concerns over his defense. It was close, but I was thinking DeAndre Hunter might have been a better pick. Hunter is a good player, but we definitely got the third best player in that draft. If his shot starts to fall like it did in the Bulls game, he is on his way to being an All-Star.

Same. DeAndre Hunter was my pick that year. Still believe he will become one of the better players from that draft class.

I'm enjoying what I'm seeing so far from Barrett. He is a legit NBA starter but the homerism from some of the members on this thread is a little of hand. In this very young season, the progression is there but let's wait a while before we start calling him a "superstar" or one of NBA best two way players.


Although it's okay to call him a bust after two Summer League games . I completely agree on holding off on the anointing. As I believe on the rush to judgement in general. Good luck with that in the sports world!

I don't think I've ever called him a bust. Was always glad the Knicks drafted him but I have yet to see him in the light that same on the board see him as *yet* (All-Star, superstar).

I have always viewed Barrett as a Wilson Chandler type player. A player that can start on any NBA team and is good at everything but not great at anything.

Few 22 year olds are like that. Drose MVP was special at 22. Jordan was a scoring machine on ****ty teams for a few years. RJ under Thibs is asked to be a 2 way player. Even last night in a loss he stepped up in the 4th and made some nice plays. He did play good defense an toronto hit its shots.

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11/2/2021  10:46 AM
Swishfm3 wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
TheGame wrote:And to think I wondered if the Knicks should have drafted Barrett due to concerns over his defense. It was close, but I was thinking DeAndre Hunter might have been a better pick. Hunter is a good player, but we definitely got the third best player in that draft. If his shot starts to fall like it did in the Bulls game, he is on his way to being an All-Star.

Same. DeAndre Hunter was my pick that year. Still believe he will become one of the better players from that draft class.

I'm enjoying what I'm seeing so far from Barrett. He is a legit NBA starter but the homerism from some of the members on this thread is a little of hand. In this very young season, the progression is there but let's wait a while before we start calling him a "superstar" or one of NBA best two way players.


Although it's okay to call him a bust after two Summer League games . I completely agree on holding off on the anointing. As I believe on the rush to judgement in general. Good luck with that in the sports world!

I don't think I've ever called him a bust. Was always glad the Knicks drafted him but I have yet to see him in the light that same on the board see him as *yet* (All-Star, superstar).

I have always viewed Barrett as a Wilson Chandler type player. A player that can start on any NBA team and is good at everything but not great at anything.

Thing I recall about Chandler from watching him in the early Knicks days was his talent level and how frustratingly inconsistent he was from game to game. He ended up with a nice career - but hit his peak in Year 3 at 22. Time will tell with Barrett - but from a statistical standpoint, his trajectory
appears to be a bit higher than Chandler even if he peaks in Year 3. It's difficult to gage someone's talent level (i.e. good vs great) as it is somewhat subjective. To me consistency is the key to Barrett's future success.

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11/2/2021  1:14 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
TheGame wrote:And to think I wondered if the Knicks should have drafted Barrett due to concerns over his defense. It was close, but I was thinking DeAndre Hunter might have been a better pick. Hunter is a good player, but we definitely got the third best player in that draft. If his shot starts to fall like it did in the Bulls game, he is on his way to being an All-Star.

Same. DeAndre Hunter was my pick that year. Still believe he will become one of the better players from that draft class.

I'm enjoying what I'm seeing so far from Barrett. He is a legit NBA starter but the homerism from some of the members on this thread is a little of hand. In this very young season, the progression is there but let's wait a while before we start calling him a "superstar" or one of NBA best two way players.


Although it's okay to call him a bust after two Summer League games . I completely agree on holding off on the anointing. As I believe on the rush to judgement in general. Good luck with that in the sports world!

I don't think I've ever called him a bust. Was always glad the Knicks drafted him but I have yet to see him in the light that same on the board see him as *yet* (All-Star, superstar).

I have always viewed Barrett as a Wilson Chandler type player. A player that can start on any NBA team and is good at everything but not great at anything.

I didn't mean to imply you were calling him a bust. Many many others did.

I liked Wilson Chandler a lot but my own feeling is much higher expectations for RJ. We shall see.

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11/2/2021  4:34 PM
Nalod wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
TheGame wrote:And to think I wondered if the Knicks should have drafted Barrett due to concerns over his defense. It was close, but I was thinking DeAndre Hunter might have been a better pick. Hunter is a good player, but we definitely got the third best player in that draft. If his shot starts to fall like it did in the Bulls game, he is on his way to being an All-Star.

Same. DeAndre Hunter was my pick that year. Still believe he will become one of the better players from that draft class.

I'm enjoying what I'm seeing so far from Barrett. He is a legit NBA starter but the homerism from some of the members on this thread is a little of hand. In this very young season, the progression is there but let's wait a while before we start calling him a "superstar" or one of NBA best two way players.


Although it's okay to call him a bust after two Summer League games . I completely agree on holding off on the anointing. As I believe on the rush to judgement in general. Good luck with that in the sports world!

I don't think I've ever called him a bust. Was always glad the Knicks drafted him but I have yet to see him in the light that same on the board see him as *yet* (All-Star, superstar).

I have always viewed Barrett as a Wilson Chandler type player. A player that can start on any NBA team and is good at everything but not great at anything.

Few 22 year olds are like that. Drose MVP was special at 22. Jordan was a scoring machine on ****ty teams for a few years. RJ under Thibs is asked to be a 2 way player. Even last night in a loss he stepped up in the 4th and made some nice plays. He did play good defense an toronto hit its shots.

You are absolute right and last night he had another great personal performance...I just feel there are levels to this and although we have seen flashes of what he is capable of, I feel that we need to see it on a consistent basis before we start anointing him this or that

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11/2/2021  5:04 PM
Wilson Phucking Chandler? Really? RJ eclipsed Chandler like 20 minutes into his NBA career. If RJ is gonna be Wilson Chandler he is a bust.
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11/3/2021  10:49 PM
fishmike wrote:Wilson Phucking Chandler? Really? RJ eclipsed Chandler like 20 minutes into his NBA career. If RJ is gonna be Wilson Chandler he is a bust.

lmfao

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11/4/2021  8:51 AM
fishmike wrote:Wilson Phucking Chandler? Really? RJ eclipsed Chandler like 20 minutes into his NBA career. If RJ is gonna be Wilson Chandler he is a bust.

+100000000000000
RJ with the same career trajectory as Tom McMillen and Fred Roberts. Yeah that wouldn't be a bust for a #3 draft pick.

I'm with you fish; Jimmy Butler North, here we come! A Knick machine on both sides of the court.

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