Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:You know, I started to bring this up last week, but i said let me wait a month and see how it goes.

The game really has to slow down for him, he's either moving to fast or reacting to slow, thinking too much or not thinking at all.

They need to give up on trying to turn him into a traditional PG and focus on him making him a scorer. I remember earlier in their careers teams tried to turn Lou Willams and Jamaal Crawford into PG's and it really messed with their shooting %. I see the exact same thing going on with IQ.

You remember that, huh?

You remember RJ Barrett's first 12 games his second year?

Does anyone remember that?

the difference is RJ plays 30+ minutes per night

IQ is barely getting 15

smackeddog wrote:After everything he did for us last season, and all the work he put in in the offseason, he deserves more than 5 games of our support

+1

smackeddog wrote:After everything he did for us last season, and all the work he put in in the offseason, he deserves more than 5 games of our support

Is asking for other players on the team to get a chance at playing time while Quick is struggling really mean taking away support from him? If this is the case does the other players on the team who are not playing right now not deserve support?

I think people are taking my post too far. We have a team with a lot of depth. The reason for depth is so if something happens someone else can help. If there is an injury someone can step up. If someone is in a slump someone else can step up. This has nothing to do with support. I support this whole team. I supported this whole team for over 2 decades while we were mostly trash.

For Quick this is not a 5 game thing. Quick his whole career has been inconsistent. If he is on one of those streaks where he is playing badly why keep forcing him when you can play someone who might help? This is what is confusing me. How can anyone see a problem with that?

I can understand having a superstar player play through a slump. There is no reason why we can't give someone else a chance when its a role player going through a slump.

EwingsGlass wrote:He needs to chill out. He’s got talent. And is doing the work. Just needs to trust his teammates to get him the ball in good locations rather than just deciding whether he has enough room to get his shot off. That 2nd unit might have to learn a few plays.

Im not sure why its a big deal to give Grimes his minutes for a 2-3 game stretch? Grimes is 6-5 and possibly the best 3 point shooter on the team who plays good defense. Its not about punishing any player its about making the team potentially better. If IQ played up to the minutes than this is a non starter but he hasnt. He didnt in the SL he didnt in the playoffs and hes had 1/6 good games this year. Ive seen plenty of teams manage the back of their line ups. Grimes could possible make the team better--thats the only goal IMHO.

Clean wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:He needs to chill out. He’s got talent. And is doing the work. Just needs to trust his teammates to get him the ball in good locations rather than just deciding whether he has enough room to get his shot off. That 2nd unit might have to learn a few plays.

Im not sure why its a big deal to give Grimes his minutes for a 2-3 game stretch? Grimes is 6-5 and possibly the best 3 point shooter on the team who plays good defense. Its not about punishing any player its about making the team potentially better. If IQ played up to the minutes than this is a non starter but he hasnt. He didnt in the SL he didnt in the playoffs and hes had 1/6 good games this year. Ive seen plenty of teams manage the back of their line ups. Grimes could possible make the team better--thats the only goal IMHO.

Perfectly said. I love Quick but while he is in this slump if playing Grimes can make the team better we need to at least try it.

I think what we're seeing is how Thibs builds trust and relationships with his players.

Also, IQ isn't costing us games, so there's no urgency.

Injuries are inevitable, so there will always be opportunities for our bench.

Clean wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:He needs to chill out. He’s got talent. And is doing the work. Just needs to trust his teammates to get him the ball in good locations rather than just deciding whether he has enough room to get his shot off. That 2nd unit might have to learn a few plays.

Im not sure why its a big deal to give Grimes his minutes for a 2-3 game stretch? Grimes is 6-5 and possibly the best 3 point shooter on the team who plays good defense. Its not about punishing any player its about making the team potentially better. If IQ played up to the minutes than this is a non starter but he hasnt. He didnt in the SL he didnt in the playoffs and hes had 1/6 good games this year. Ive seen plenty of teams manage the back of their line ups. Grimes could possible make the team better--thats the only goal IMHO.

Perfectly said. I love Quick but while he is in this slump if playing Grimes can make the team better we need to at least try it.

Thibs makes the decisions on rotation and PT. He also works with these guys every day and in practices. Grimes might turn out to be great as an NBA player but I trust the coach (who got us to the playoffs for the first time in 8 years and now has us at 5-1) to make the appropriate lineup & rotation decisions - including playing or not playing IQ. He's reduced his burn this year and I imangine if/when hea ready to sit hin, he will. Apparently guys like you and Briggs seem to think you know how to make the team even better than Thibs.

foosballnick wrote:

Clean wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:He needs to chill out. He’s got talent. And is doing the work. Just needs to trust his teammates to get him the ball in good locations rather than just deciding whether he has enough room to get his shot off. That 2nd unit might have to learn a few plays.

Im not sure why its a big deal to give Grimes his minutes for a 2-3 game stretch? Grimes is 6-5 and possibly the best 3 point shooter on the team who plays good defense. Its not about punishing any player its about making the team potentially better. If IQ played up to the minutes than this is a non starter but he hasnt. He didnt in the SL he didnt in the playoffs and hes had 1/6 good games this year. Ive seen plenty of teams manage the back of their line ups. Grimes could possible make the team better--thats the only goal IMHO.

Perfectly said. I love Quick but while he is in this slump if playing Grimes can make the team better we need to at least try it.

Thibs makes the decisions on rotation and PT. He also works with these guys every day and in practices. Grimes might turn out to be great as an NBA player but I trust the coach (who got us to the playoffs for the first time in 8 years and now has us at 5-1) to make the appropriate lineup & rotation decisions - including playing or not playing IQ. He's reduced his burn this year and I imangine if/when hea ready to sit hin, he will. Apparently guys like you and Briggs seem to think you know how to make the team even better than Thibs.

I love Thibs but he is not perfect. Have we forgot how not taking care of the Elf problem during the regular season caught up to us in the playoffs. Did we forget that we were one of the hottest teams coming into the playoffs with Elf starting? How did that work out for us? The it's working now defense only works until we hit better opponents and it no longer works. You can't even get away with it once team start game planning for you specifically. I want to fix it before we get to that point again. Its better to be proactive than reactive. We could end up at the end of the season with Quick in another slump and we just toss our Rooks out there to fail because we wanted to "support" Quick like Thibs "supported" Elf last season.

Philc1 wrote:So now that Frank is gone Knicks fans need a home grown player to freak out over?

Im not sure why asking for Grimes to play 15 min instead of Quickley is a freak out? Hes a back end rotation player who hasnt played well.