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Knixkik
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10/28/2021  10:02 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/28/2021  10:02 AM
TheGame wrote:The team could use a 6’8” SF who is strong on defense and who can got a three. Knox has sufficient size and can hit the 3 but he obviously is bad on defense. I agree with you that it is a need. However, it is not our biggest need. Our bigger need is for Randle to play smarter and not force shots or fight against what the defense is giving him. We also need Mitch to get in better condition because he looks tired out there. We also need to work on our offensive cohesiveness. All of these issues should be fixed over time as the team plays together more. I think between RJ and Burks, we can guard the wings. It would be nice to have a true 6’8” defensive stopper but that is something to be fixed next summer unless the perfect deal appears at the trade deadline.

Harrison Barnes was the best case scenario for Knox. Now I’d like the real Barnes. Later this season he should be available for youth/draft compensation. He’s a good player who would be a great additional. Covington would be another.
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10/28/2021  10:58 AM
It’s to bad there wasn’t anyone that fits that description, like Jalen Johnson, available in the draft when we selected at 21 because we really needed to save that roster spot for Wayne Seldon. I mean, who would want a 19 year old long athletic wing to develop at the end of your bench
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10/28/2021  12:03 PM
Knixkik wrote:
TheGame wrote:The team could use a 6’8” SF who is strong on defense and who can got a three. Knox has sufficient size and can hit the 3 but he obviously is bad on defense. I agree with you that it is a need. However, it is not our biggest need. Our bigger need is for Randle to play smarter and not force shots or fight against what the defense is giving him. We also need Mitch to get in better condition because he looks tired out there. We also need to work on our offensive cohesiveness. All of these issues should be fixed over time as the team plays together more. I think between RJ and Burks, we can guard the wings. It would be nice to have a true 6’8” defensive stopper but that is something to be fixed next summer unless the perfect deal appears at the trade deadline.

Harrison Barnes was the best case scenario for Knox. Now I’d like the real Barnes. Later this season he should be available for youth/draft compensation. He’s a good player who would be a great additional. Covington would be another.

The salaries would never matched..

THibs defense philosophy is more about a team scheme as opposed to individual defense...although it never hurts to have great individual defenders

BUT, as good of a defender bullock was, Trae still ran circles around him through pick and rolls and screens...thats why the scheme is more important than the defender himself

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10/28/2021  3:32 PM
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Knixkik wrote:
TheGame wrote:The team could use a 6’8” SF who is strong on defense and who can got a three. Knox has sufficient size and can hit the 3 but he obviously is bad on defense. I agree with you that it is a need. However, it is not our biggest need. Our bigger need is for Randle to play smarter and not force shots or fight against what the defense is giving him. We also need Mitch to get in better condition because he looks tired out there. We also need to work on our offensive cohesiveness. All of these issues should be fixed over time as the team plays together more. I think between RJ and Burks, we can guard the wings. It would be nice to have a true 6’8” defensive stopper but that is something to be fixed next summer unless the perfect deal appears at the trade deadline.

Harrison Barnes was the best case scenario for Knox. Now I’d like the real Barnes. Later this season he should be available for youth/draft compensation. He’s a good player who would be a great additional. Covington would be another.

The salaries would never matched..

THibs defense philosophy is more about a team scheme as opposed to individual defense...although it never hurts to have great individual defenders

BUT, as good of a defender bullock was, Trae still ran circles around him through pick and rolls and screens...thats why the scheme is more important than the defender himself

The salaries to facilitate a Barnes trade would probably be Burks and Knox, plus whatever draft pick compensation is fair.
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10/28/2021  3:38 PM
ANyone see Barnes stats thus far. Kinda of funny actually.
WE just assume Kings will suck forever?
I don't see paying Barnes 38mil over two years to back up RJ.
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10/28/2021  7:38 PM
Our biggest Weakness are Kemba can not Defend any position, he give away 10 or more points on defense a game.
However, I do like Kemba's perimeter shooting.
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10/28/2021  7:38 PM
Panos wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
Panos wrote:Kevin Knox says hello.
... to which wing who can defend multiple positions?

He has the length and the athleticism, if only he had a brain.

...and the motor... and the desire...
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10/28/2021  7:39 PM
Philc1 wrote:Sounds like you guys want Frank back

Don't start those threads up again. Please.

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10/28/2021  11:04 PM
Kemet wrote:Our biggest Weakness are Kemba can not Defend any position, he give away 10 or more points on defense a game.
However, I do like Kemba's perimeter shooting.

We haven’t had a pg that can actually shoot in forever
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10/29/2021  12:20 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/29/2021  12:21 AM
Knixkik wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
TheGame wrote:The team could use a 6’8” SF who is strong on defense and who can got a three. Knox has sufficient size and can hit the 3 but he obviously is bad on defense. I agree with you that it is a need. However, it is not our biggest need. Our bigger need is for Randle to play smarter and not force shots or fight against what the defense is giving him. We also need Mitch to get in better condition because he looks tired out there. We also need to work on our offensive cohesiveness. All of these issues should be fixed over time as the team plays together more. I think between RJ and Burks, we can guard the wings. It would be nice to have a true 6’8” defensive stopper but that is something to be fixed next summer unless the perfect deal appears at the trade deadline.

Harrison Barnes was the best case scenario for Knox. Now I’d like the real Barnes. Later this season he should be available for youth/draft compensation. He’s a good player who would be a great additional. Covington would be another.

The salaries would never matched..

THibs defense philosophy is more about a team scheme as opposed to individual defense...although it never hurts to have great individual defenders

BUT, as good of a defender bullock was, Trae still ran circles around him through pick and rolls and screens...thats why the scheme is more important than the defender himself

The salaries to facilitate a Barnes trade would probably be Burks and Knox, plus whatever draft pick compensation is fair.

I would look at guys on teams who could do a fire sale Convington on the Blazers, maybe Vassel on the Spurs. Also guys like Hunter or Reddish on Atlanta might be gettable later because Atlanta is in the luxury and should extend one or the other. 2-3 first rounder…

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10/29/2021  2:41 AM
One glaring weakness? We don't have a superstar.

I wont speculate on a weakness until we get settled in and Kemba is playing a bigger role and Randal works on his shot selection a little more. What are the stats on how much offense is run through Randall? He is leading in assists but i still think we need to pass more, we have enough scorers that the offense should flow naturally and i think Randall is getting too many touches. This is a new team and Randall is doing a great job passing the ball but this team will not win a championship by running most of the offense through Randall. We are a blue collar team, and we rely too much on Randall, he is not a Jordan, Kobe, KD,... they can be cold all game and pull out games at the end but Randall is not that tier 1 superstar, we saw this in the playoffs last year, i think we should emulate the 2004 Pistons. They had no superstars but they were a great blue collar team and everyone excelled at ther roles. They didnt depend heavily on any one scorer and had great defense. I see a lot of similarities.
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10/29/2021  5:15 AM
Stevo718 wrote:One glaring weakness? We don't have a superstar.

I wont speculate on a weakness until we get settled in and Kemba is playing a bigger role and Randal works on his shot selection a little more. What are the stats on how much offense is run through Randall? He is leading in assists but i still think we need to pass more, we have enough scorers that the offense should flow naturally and i think Randall is getting too many touches. This is a new team and Randall is doing a great job passing the ball but this team will not win a championship by running most of the offense through Randall. We are a blue collar team, and we rely too much on Randall, he is not a Jordan, Kobe, KD,... they can be cold all game and pull out games at the end but Randall is not that tier 1 superstar, we saw this in the playoffs last year, i think we should emulate the 2004 Pistons. They had no superstars but they were a great blue collar team and everyone excelled at ther roles. They didnt depend heavily on any one scorer and had great defense. I see a lot of similarities.

How did you mention his name 7 times and misspelled his name all 7x?

His last name is spelled RANDLE.

And yes. Julius Randle is an NBA SUPERSTAR imo. Top 10 last year in MVP voting and just an all around beast and still only 26 years old.

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10/29/2021  8:59 AM
that Randle did not force it last night won the game despite the mistakes.
Randle is an allstar, Not a “super Star” and that he contributed in ways last night not just scoring. THe missed putback he makes 9-10 times. Usually a clutch FT shooter. Dude was having a rough night but nearly got a double-double. He is avg 7 assists thru 5 games. Iso Randle only took two shots in the last 3 min. He was passing out. He saw the doubles. Ball has good length and tied him up well.

One can focus on the lead lost, or focus on the lead made. I was enough to win. Boo Hoo that it was uncomfortable way to end a game.

Advice: Stop watching knick games just to see them win. The assumption that its our games to lose can only be disappointing. You miss the opponent game if you see any loss or lead loss as a deficiency. Some nights the best of teams don’t have it. Don’t mean coach should make changes or “bring in Grimes”. LIke Grimes won’t have bad games? He has not proven himself to have good games yet.
We have this romantic notion that Drose can finish all games great. Thats not true. We saw Fournier last night not finish tight. This is more his norm.
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10/29/2021  9:11 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/29/2021  9:14 AM
jrodmc wrote:
Panos wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
Panos wrote:Kevin Knox says hello.
... to which wing who can defend multiple positions?

He has the length and the athleticism, if only he had a brain.

...and the motor... and the desire...

Good thing he beat Miles Bridges one-on-one in the workout. What did they play? HORSE?
For those keeping score at home, Miles is scoring 26 PPG so far on 50/40/90% and 8 RBs.
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Nalod wrote:that Randle did not force it last night won the game despite the mistakes.
Randle is an allstar, Not a “super Star” and that he contributed in ways last night not just scoring. THe missed putback he makes 9-10 times. Usually a clutch FT shooter. Dude was having a rough night but nearly got a double-double. He is avg 7 assists thru 5 games. Iso Randle only took two shots in the last 3 min. He was passing out. He saw the doubles. Ball has good length and tied him up well.

One can focus on the lead lost, or focus on the lead made. I was enough to win. Boo Hoo that it was uncomfortable way to end a game.

Advice: Stop watching knick games just to see them win. The assumption that its our games to lose can only be disappointing. You miss the opponent game if you see any loss or lead loss as a deficiency. Some nights the best of teams don’t have it. Don’t mean coach should make changes or “bring in Grimes”. LIke Grimes won’t have bad games? He has not proven himself to have good games yet.
We have this romantic notion that Drose can finish all games great. Thats not true. We saw Fournier last night not finish tight. This is more his norm.

Of course Randle will have off games but all I’m saying is he has room still to improve by tightening up his game and better shot selection is one of them. Let’s use Dirk and Krystaps as an example, Dirk rarely took bad shots and Kristaps has the better athletic talent then Dirk but who would you rather have? Kristaps dribbled too much and didn’t have to do all this excess moving, all he needed to do was learn the step back and master it. I think Randle has put out excellent shooting percentages even though he has taken a lot of wild shots and I get it because he was the main source of offense in this team last year but this year with all our options he can still improve on his shot selection. I can easily see him raise his PER numbers even more. Randle does not have the consistency of a superstar during crunch time and that’s okay. So we have enough options this year to wean ourselves off our dependency on Randle… last stretch by committee? If we had a KD yeah we give him the ball in crunch but Randle is not that guy, and once again that’s okay I’m not taking anything away from him. Those wild shots you take during the regular season will not have the same effects during playoffs and we have seen that time and time again. I think that’s his last level up for Randle, shot selection. Then oh boy watch out! It’s also contagious. Championship teams have great shot selection and ball movement and defense. WE CAN BE THAT TEAM.
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10/29/2021  6:19 PM
Panos wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Panos wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
Panos wrote:Kevin Knox says hello.
... to which wing who can defend multiple positions?

He has the length and the athleticism, if only he had a brain.

...and the motor... and the desire...

Good thing he beat Miles Bridges one-on-one in the workout. What did they play? HORSE?
For those keeping score at home, Miles is scoring 26 PPG so far on 50/40/90% and 8 RBs.

No one is.

Time to move on.

But yeah, go ahead justifying fixating on something that won't ever change that the current Knicks execs aren't responsible for.

That's the ticket.
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10/29/2021  9:30 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
Panos wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Panos wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
Panos wrote:Kevin Knox says hello.
... to which wing who can defend multiple positions?
He has the length and the athleticism, if only he had a brain.
...and the motor... and the desire...
Good thing he beat Miles Bridges one-on-one in the workout. What did they play? HORSE?
For those keeping score at home, Miles is scoring 26 PPG so far on 50/40/90% and 8 RBs.
No one is.

Time to move on.

But yeah, go ahead justifying fixating on something that won't ever change that the current Knicks execs aren't responsible for.

That's the ticket.

Let me get this straight. So we're not allowed to analyze things too soon/too early and we're not allowed to discuss them after the fact.
When are we allowed to discuss them and who made you the bloody thought police?
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10/30/2021  12:07 PM
Panos wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
Panos wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Panos wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
Panos wrote:Kevin Knox says hello.
... to which wing who can defend multiple positions?
He has the length and the athleticism, if only he had a brain.
...and the motor... and the desire...
Good thing he beat Miles Bridges one-on-one in the workout. What did they play? HORSE?
For those keeping score at home, Miles is scoring 26 PPG so far on 50/40/90% and 8 RBs.
No one is.

Time to move on.

But yeah, go ahead justifying fixating on something that won't ever change that the current Knicks execs aren't responsible for.

That's the ticket.

Let me get this straight. So we're not allowed to analyze things too soon/too early and we're not allowed to discuss them after the fact.
When are we allowed to discuss them and who made you the bloody thought police?

Let me help you get this straight. You're allowed to analyze things too soon/too early.

Just not smart.

You're allowed to discuss four=year draft picks all you like. Just like I'm allowed to comment on our posts all I like.

Always entertaining its the complainers who complain about being criticized, but as a fan irony, its all good.

Royal Academy of Common Sense, to respond to your last question.

Cheerio.
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10/30/2021  12:49 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
Panos wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
Panos wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Panos wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
Panos wrote:Kevin Knox says hello.
... to which wing who can defend multiple positions?
He has the length and the athleticism, if only he had a brain.
...and the motor... and the desire...
Good thing he beat Miles Bridges one-on-one in the workout. What did they play? HORSE?
For those keeping score at home, Miles is scoring 26 PPG so far on 50/40/90% and 8 RBs.
No one is.

Time to move on.

But yeah, go ahead justifying fixating on something that won't ever change that the current Knicks execs aren't responsible for.

That's the ticket.

Let me get this straight. So we're not allowed to analyze things too soon/too early and we're not allowed to discuss them after the fact.
When are we allowed to discuss them and who made you the bloody thought police?

Let me help you get this straight. You're allowed to analyze things too soon/too early.

Just not smart.

You're allowed to discuss four=year draft picks all you like. Just like I'm allowed to comment on our posts all I like.

Always entertaining its the complainers who complain about being criticized, but as a fan irony, its all good.

Royal Academy of Common Sense, to respond to your last question.

Cheerio.

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Knickoftime
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martin wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
Panos wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
Panos wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Panos wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
Panos wrote:Kevin Knox says hello.
... to which wing who can defend multiple positions?
He has the length and the athleticism, if only he had a brain.
...and the motor... and the desire...
Good thing he beat Miles Bridges one-on-one in the workout. What did they play? HORSE?
For those keeping score at home, Miles is scoring 26 PPG so far on 50/40/90% and 8 RBs.
No one is.

Time to move on.

But yeah, go ahead justifying fixating on something that won't ever change that the current Knicks execs aren't responsible for.

That's the ticket.

Let me get this straight. So we're not allowed to analyze things too soon/too early and we're not allowed to discuss them after the fact.
When are we allowed to discuss them and who made you the bloody thought police?

Let me help you get this straight. You're allowed to analyze things too soon/too early.

Just not smart.

You're allowed to discuss four=year draft picks all you like. Just like I'm allowed to comment on our posts all I like.

Always entertaining its the complainers who complain about being criticized, but as a fan irony, its all good.

Royal Academy of Common Sense, to respond to your last question.

Cheerio.

NerdBot

Should be thanking me.
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