Jmpasq wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Same thing as last year. Rose and Randle have to bail us out. iq also doesn’t look much improved at all

Even though Grimes did not shoot well he played well. Looks the part. I also like the Obie activity.

I wonder at some point if we start grimes and play Fournier off the bench. We’re getting down double digits again. Same same same

They both have not played well but overall the team is still more talented than last year. Kemba at 8 million per is still an absolute steal. What I hope happens is Grimes steps up and Fournier becomes a nice contract to use in a trade for an elite SF.

There's no elite SF on the market, Just knowing you have Rose, Burks, IQ and grimes to put in if the struggle for those 2 continues is such a testament to our depth.

BigRedDog wrote:Kemba's played what 3 games so far and Fournier 4 ??? WTF? Lets wait like 25% of the season to start making evaluations

If we want to try to get best record— we gotta go from game 1 not game 18.This is not a hit piece— Tgis is saying I know they can play better and we need them too.

BRIGGS wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:Kemba's played what 3 games so far and Fournier 4 ??? WTF? Lets wait like 25% of the season to start making evaluations

If we want to try to get best record— we gotta go from game 1 not game 18.This is not a hit piece— Tgis is saying I know they can play better and we need them too.

Oooooh, ao you're saying the Knicks starting backcourt usually shoots better than .300 from the field like they did in a couple of scrimmages and that it would be beneficial to the Knicks for them to improve on those figures when the regular season starts?

Sorry, I didn't get that the first time.

Knickoftime wrote:Professional athletes have bad games, and bad weeks.

Never gonna change.

Teams have bad games and bad weeks.

Never gonna change.

Knicks talent/depth is not SO much better than other teams that they're going to be able to overcome bad games/off nights by key players, like all-time GREAT NBA teams can/could.

To dissect every bad game/loss as somehow preventable either by coaching, practice, or attitude isn't some higher form of fandom, it's ignorance of the nature of the game.

Knicks aren't a 60+ win team this year. Knicks are not championship caliber this year.

And there is nothing wrong with that.

And there is nothing attitude/approach/outlook will do to change an objective fact.

That’s your opinion— mine is they can win 60 if everything clicks. But we gotta be on it from game 1. That really was the basis of this thread

I’m pulling for 55-61 wins. 61 is home court all way through

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:Professional athletes have bad games, and bad weeks.

Never gonna change.

Teams have bad games and bad weeks.

Never gonna change.

Knicks talent/depth is not SO much better than other teams that they're going to be able to overcome bad games/off nights by key players, like all-time GREAT NBA teams can/could.

To dissect every bad game/loss as somehow preventable either by coaching, practice, or attitude isn't some higher form of fandom, it's ignorance of the nature of the game.

Knicks aren't a 60+ win team this year. Knicks are not championship caliber this year.

And there is nothing wrong with that.

And there is nothing attitude/approach/outlook will do to change an objective fact.

That’s your opinion— mine is they can win 60 if everything clicks. But we gotta be on it from game 1. That really was the basis of this thread

I’m pulling for 55-61 wins. 61 is home court all way through

I’m sure you just set these completely unrealistic expectations just so you can complain about the team not meeting them a few weeks/games later- you just seem to swing back and forth between two extremes, it must be exhausting!

Wait... what??

Hmmmm, wonder if anyone saw that coming...

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=63317&page=2

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:You play to win the game”

If u have the goods and I personally believe we do— what other goal can u possibly have

Just win baby

Two things here:

1. We all accept it, as the last 20 years demonstrates. He's not actually going to do anything if they don't.

2. What it probably is is an excuse to whine, complain, and hand-wring if the team isn't standing toe-to-toe with the Nets during the year.

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:Professional athletes have bad games, and bad weeks.

Never gonna change.

Teams have bad games and bad weeks.

Never gonna change.

Knicks talent/depth is not SO much better than other teams that they're going to be able to overcome bad games/off nights by key players, like all-time GREAT NBA teams can/could.

To dissect every bad game/loss as somehow preventable either by coaching, practice, or attitude isn't some higher form of fandom, it's ignorance of the nature of the game.

Knicks aren't a 60+ win team this year. Knicks are not championship caliber this year.

And there is nothing wrong with that.

And there is nothing attitude/approach/outlook will do to change an objective fact.

That’s your opinion— mine is they can win 60 if everything clicks. But we gotta be on it from game 1. That really was the basis of this thread

I’m pulling for 55-61 wins. 61 is home court all way through

I’m sure you just set these completely unrealistic expectations just so you can complain about the team not meeting them a few weeks/games later- you just seem to swing back and forth between two extremes, it must be exhausting!

Id bet a lot of money the Knicks organization has a true goal of 55-61 wins. Not as a fairy tale but hard numbers.

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:Professional athletes have bad games, and bad weeks.

Never gonna change.

Teams have bad games and bad weeks.

Never gonna change.

Knicks talent/depth is not SO much better than other teams that they're going to be able to overcome bad games/off nights by key players, like all-time GREAT NBA teams can/could.

To dissect every bad game/loss as somehow preventable either by coaching, practice, or attitude isn't some higher form of fandom, it's ignorance of the nature of the game.

Knicks aren't a 60+ win team this year. Knicks are not championship caliber this year.

And there is nothing wrong with that.

And there is nothing attitude/approach/outlook will do to change an objective fact.

That’s your opinion— mine is they can win 60 if everything clicks. But we gotta be on it from game 1. That really was the basis of this thread

I’m pulling for 55-61 wins. 61 is home court all way through

I’m sure you just set these completely unrealistic expectations just so you can complain about the team not meeting them a few weeks/games later- you just seem to swing back and forth between two extremes, it must be exhausting!

Id bet a lot of money the Knicks organization has a true goal of 55-61 wins. Not as a fairy tale but hard numbers.

I'd (genuinely, not rhetorically) bet a lot of money the Knicks coaching staff isn't telling Quickley he "doesn't look improved", isn't sitting Walker and FourNier down and telling them they have to stsrt shooting better immediately, or are even remotely thinking about much less considering starting Grimes over FourNier...

So yeah, I can play this anyway you can think of.

Knickoftime wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:
Less than 47 is conceding you are worse than last year - or that last year was a fluke. I don't think it was a fluke. I don't think we are worse than last year - even on a comparative basis.

Without reading into Preseason too much

For the record, what the Knicks 82-game record might be in the spring of 2022 isn't in any way the point in mid-October 2021.

The point is its mid-October.

The 2021 NBA champion Milwaukee Bucks started 2-3 and then 16-13 (a 45 in 82-game pace) last season.

The team they met in the finals the Phoenix Suns started 8-8.

The point isn't what some end of the season "goal" is.

The point is to let the season happen for a few weeks to a couple of months, because as professional sports demonstrates to us all on a constant basis, what happens in the beginning of the season often has little relation to what happens at the end.

Briggs is setting himself up to complain if the Knicks winning % ever falls below .700 at any point in the season, including week 1.

Which is ridiculous.

Nah - He is full of bona fide hope that this team will excel during the regular season. When it comes to playoff basketball, I think we all acknowledge that the Bucks and Nets look intimidating in a 7 game series. I think its both reasonable to have expectations like the Utah Jazz 52-20 without assuming that will translate directly into a chip -- but only a top 4 team in the east.

Knickoftime wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:
Less than 47 is conceding you are worse than last year - or that last year was a fluke. I don't think it was a fluke. I don't think we are worse than last year - even on a comparative basis.

Without reading into Preseason too much

For the record, what the Knicks 82-game record might be in the spring of 2022 isn't in any way the point in mid-October 2021.

The point is its mid-October.

The 2021 NBA champion Milwaukee Bucks started 2-3 and then 16-13 (a 45 in 82-game pace) last season.

The team they met in the finals the Phoenix Suns started 8-8.

The point isn't what some end of the season "goal" is.

The point is to let the season happen for a few weeks to a couple of months, because as professional sports demonstrates to us all on a constant basis, what happens in the beginning of the season often has little relation to what happens at the end.

Briggs is setting himself up to complain if the Knicks winning % ever falls below .700 at any point in the season, including week 1.

Which is ridiculous.

Nah - He is full of bona fide hope that this team will excel during the regular season.

Except the OP of this thread isn't about all the reasons they'll finish with 60 wins.

It's all about reasons they won't, based on 4 practice games that the Knicks won.

Thread start was clearly a present sense impression during a game where Kemba and Fournier both looked a bit off on offense and a bit slow on defense. I also thought it possible that Kemba and Fournier end up in the second unit -- I could see Grimes taking Fournier's minutes at some point this season. Not immediately, but I think he will be knocking on that door.

IQ's early pre-season showed him with a improved passing game -- that first Indiana game made him look like a triple double threat with 30+ minutes. He kind of regressed back to the mean. But seeing him put up 7 assists and 6 rebounds in 20 minutes got my imagination popping.

I don't think it is happening, but I understand the sentiment.

Knickoftime wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:
Less than 47 is conceding you are worse than last year - or that last year was a fluke. I don't think it was a fluke. I don't think we are worse than last year - even on a comparative basis.

Without reading into Preseason too much

For the record, what the Knicks 82-game record might be in the spring of 2022 isn't in any way the point in mid-October 2021.

The point is its mid-October.

The 2021 NBA champion Milwaukee Bucks started 2-3 and then 16-13 (a 45 in 82-game pace) last season.

The team they met in the finals the Phoenix Suns started 8-8.

The point isn't what some end of the season "goal" is.

The point is to let the season happen for a few weeks to a couple of months, because as professional sports demonstrates to us all on a constant basis, what happens in the beginning of the season often has little relation to what happens at the end.

Briggs is setting himself up to complain if the Knicks winning % ever falls below .700 at any point in the season, including week 1.

Which is ridiculous.

Nah - He is full of bona fide hope that this team will excel during the regular season.

Except the OP of this thread isn't about all the reasons they'll finish with 60 wins.

It's all about reasons they won't, based on 4 practice games that the Knicks won.

Thread start was clearly a present sense impression during a game where Kemba and Fournier both looked a bit off on offense and a bit slow on defense.

Always fascinating the blind spot some "fans" have for this...

OK, where is the present tense impression that Rose and Toppin looked great and Barrett still looks like a .400 3=pt shooter and how Randle calmly drained a buzzer-beater?

Why it the thread start clearly a present sense impression of negativity ... solely?

Fair question, right?

Me, I think people who take the good performance for granted as if that should be the default and can only focus on the poor performance don't really understand what they're watching.

IQ's early pre-season showed him with a improved passing game -- that first Indiana game made him look like a triple double threat with 30+ minutes.

Or maybe he just had a good passing/high assists game like he's had before in the NBA and that game wasn't indicative of some new level of ability?

He kind of regressed back to the mean.

See? There it is right there.

STOP thinking of games as a trend.

But seeing him put up 7 assists and 6 rebounds in 20 minutes got my imagination popping.

That's on you. Seen too much sports to ever start dreaming on one game.

And the good news is, doesn't mean you can't enjoy the good games. They're still great for being good games.

But I don't know how people who watch professional sports all the time aren't conditioned NOT to let one game fire up their imagination.

Errm, not sure what you are arguing. I dream when I buy a lotto ticket also. It’s part of the fun.

I’m all in favor of a good season. I think my 53 win season is a reasonable estimate.