Can’t just say “I don’t know” or “I don’t understand”………. Knowing what you don’t know is intelligent.
Sorry if that steps on anyones toes.

This is not to rail against anyone not vaxxed. That depends on ones “reasoning”.

gradyandrew wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:The only reason getting vaccinated against a deadly disease is political is because Trump wanted to avoid the hit to the economy that a lock out would entail. He admitted as much in recorded interviews with Bob Woodward.

The crazy part is he pushed for the vaccines to come out ASAP to gain votes in the last election. Yet a lot of his followers continue to refuse the vaccine. So weird.

The one time Trump urged his followers to get the vaccine at a rally he was booed. He then stopped because hey，you got to keep them checks coming in.

I like those anti Vaxxers in Alaska who are wearing Star of David's. From personal experience， nothing makes white people happier than being 'discriminated' against. There's no downside to it， as whites will then get to happily relive the experience when they retell the story. My suggestion for the unvaxxed? Arrested Development MR F (or M) bracelets.

Ahh yes, fighting racism with racism via your personal experiences. And while you're on your whiney little "My great liberal dream of Marxist-socialism has failed miserably" soapbox, what makes black people happier? Happily bashing anything that smacks of Christianity or calling out the sell outs in your latest version of the DNC self-supporting revenue stream?

And I'm vaxxed and didn't vote for Trump. So save your MAGA references.

"Whites are incapable of any righteous acts related to race and only undo racism when it benefits them directly." - Richard Delgado, Critical Race Theory

I'd like to hear you come up with a statement about black people (or any color skin for that matter) that generalizes in this way. Honestly be interested to hear your take on that.

jrodmc wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:The only reason getting vaccinated against a deadly disease is political is because Trump wanted to avoid the hit to the economy that a lock out would entail. He admitted as much in recorded interviews with Bob Woodward.

The crazy part is he pushed for the vaccines to come out ASAP to gain votes in the last election. Yet a lot of his followers continue to refuse the vaccine. So weird.

The one time Trump urged his followers to get the vaccine at a rally he was booed. He then stopped because hey，you got to keep them checks coming in.

I like those anti Vaxxers in Alaska who are wearing Star of David's. From personal experience， nothing makes white people happier than being 'discriminated' against. There's no downside to it， as whites will then get to happily relive the experience when they retell the story. My suggestion for the unvaxxed? Arrested Development MR F (or M) bracelets.

Ahh yes, fighting racism with racism via your personal experiences. And while you're on your whiney little "My great liberal dream of Marxist-socialism has failed miserably" soapbox, what makes black people happier? Happily bashing anything that smacks of Christianity or calling out the sell outs in your latest version of the DNC self-supporting revenue stream?

And I'm vaxxed and didn't vote for Trump. So save your MAGA references.

"Whites are incapable of any righteous acts related to race and only undo racism when it benefits them directly." - Richard Delgado, Critical Race Theory

I'd like to hear you come up with a statement about black people (or any color skin for that matter) that generalizes in this way. Honestly be interested to hear your take on that.

That quote you used seemed fishy，and yes it was.

gradyandrew wrote:https://www.lambsreign.com/blog/voddies-fault-lines-worse-than-before-fake-quotations-and-plagiarism

That quote you used seemed fishy，and yes it was.

Good catch, but like Mr. Reasnor, you're straining at gnats while ignoring the actual implications of Delgado's actual quoted statement, which, in response to the original exposition on his statement, in typical neo-Marxist style, he backs away from later (I'll spare myself getting into a link war with you to Delgado's comments):

"Racism advances the interests of both white elites (materially) and working-class whites (psychically), large segments of society have little incentive to eradicate it" I bolded the last statement.

So Baucham forgot to use [italics mine] after the actual quote above. Congratulations, he's a sloppy Christian author.

Back on point - expound for me please on the generalization made about whites in the direct, non-fishy quote above.

By the way, do you have any personal experiences about how people of any color in Hong Kong end up reacting to that fine version of Marxist Socialist China that works so well? And Cuba has a great life expectancy. Who knew? All I remember reading about Cuba's healthcare was it was one of those places where certain irritating people just disappeared.

But if it's working well for you for 20 years, I guess that's what matters in this context. I really need to get out more and travel I guess, ugly capitalist American that I am.

gradyandrew wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:https://www.lambsreign.com/blog/voddies-fault-lines-worse-than-before-fake-quotations-and-plagiarism

That quote you used seemed fishy，and yes it was.

Good catch, but like Mr. Reasnor, you're straining at gnats while ignoring the actual implications of Delgado's actual quoted statement, which, in response to the original exposition on his statement, in typical neo-Marxist style, he backs away from later (I'll spare myself getting into a link war with you to Delgado's comments):

"Racism advances the interests of both white elites (materially) and working-class whites (psychically), large segments of society have little incentive to eradicate it" I bolded the last statement.

So Baucham forgot to use [italics mine] after the actual quote above. Congratulations, he's a sloppy Christian author.

Back on point - expound for me please on the generalization made about whites in the direct, non-fishy quote above.

By the way, do you have any personal experiences about how people of any color in Hong Kong end up reacting to that fine version of Marxist Socialist China that works so well? And Cuba has a great life expectancy. Who knew? All I remember reading about Cuba's healthcare was it was one of those places where certain irritating people just disappeared.

But if it's working well for you for 20 years, I guess that's what matters in this context. I really need to get out more and travel I guess, ugly capitalist American that I am.

America's awesome man. Don't ever forget it. I send my kids back there for school. You shouldn't misconstrue criticism for lack of love，believe me I criticize my wife all the time.

Why are you acting all surprised that race relations have been a political strategy for the almost the entirety of US history? Pre Civil War up to the Civil Rights movement is clear enough，Pat Buchanan has been pretty clear in all his writings how it worked for Nixon. Bush 1, Clinton，Bush 2 were broadly centrist. I think they acted with clear conscience for all Americans，despite Kanye West's opinions. But if you want to ignore the 180 years when black Americans were disenfranchised and the current disparity in economic and educational opportunities，I don't know what to say. Race is still used to support an agenda that favors lower marginal tax rates for the wealthiest Americans and corporate welfare. Look how the 2020 election went down. Biden was DOA until the leading black politician in the most conservative state in the Union decided to support him and the rest is history. SC never votes Democrat but they picked the nominee. I think it's pretty damning evidence that politicians play on racial solidarity for political power，ergo the generalization given by Delgado.

Regarding HK，Cuba，etc al. It's hard to argue for civil rights in other countries while at the same time having a restrictive border policy. I have plenty of experience with people having their visa applications to America rejected. At the end of the day the international system is based on the "different strokes for different folks" philosophy. From Washington to Keenan there was broad recognition that America's commitment to democracy more or less stopped at it's borders. I think the results of the Vietnam，Iraq，and Afghanistan wars only reinforce the wisdom of the previous policies. A lot of bad things were done in the name of democracy to the detriment of people at home and abroad. All，I might add in clear violation of the Constitution that requires Congress and not Presidents to declare war.

I don't think Adam Smith ever imagined the potential for political influence that corporations have attained. If your conception of capitalism is that corporations should be free to lobby politicians to avoid taxes and maintain market share while receiving as many subsidies as possible you and I are in disagreement about what free market capitalism is. Far better to break up Amazon，Apple，the banks，and insurance companies than to worry about Marxist-Socialism.

Finally，as a human you should throw a little love to the CCP. The overwhelming memory of people over 50 here is time spent hungry. Over the past 50 years the elevation of people in China's living standards from abject poverty to comfort and economic security is the most positive event in human history. Sure you can find problems along the way and now but at the end of the day the ledger is pretty heavily in favor that it worked. My aforementioned wife's village didn't have electricity until 2000, now it has paved roads，new houses，a parking lot，and gets taobao deliveries.

I get it. You're a pragmatist masquerading as a government controlled free-market socialist. WTF that means. Who cares about deranged political abuses on the scale almost never seen here before when you can say "slavery" "lots of bad things" and worry if anyone left after the purges is still hungry. Anyone over 50 remember anything about the millions that disappeared? Just a clear nod from you about sacrifices for the greater good is all I'm looking for, I guess.

I always found Martin Mull irritatingly condescending, and the cigarette in his guitar strings on Fernwood 2 Night was somehow more memorable than anything he wrote about mayo.

And you keep tapdancing around the original question with politico-historical narratives that are specious at best, but okay. Nobody was talking about politicians. Delgado was generalizing clearly about whites, both elite and working class.

My point about US policy was that if you feel deeply about human rights，there's plenty of areas for improvement at home and that's a more useful way to spend your energy. We should be complaining about people not getting vaccinated.

In terms of 'disappearing millions of people'- not a part of Chinese history. Millions died during the GLF from famine and the GPCR，a civil war，but now when people are prosecuted for political crimes it's done out in the open to discourage further dissent. By explaining，don't assume I agree.

Again，you say "Delgado was clearly talking about whites" when his whole theory rejects the idea of race. Him saying "People in power have used race to benefit some groups at the expense of others" is not the same thing as your straw man quote of "all whites are racist" If your arguments are strong，base them on their own merits. There's no need to misquote and falsely extrapolate to make your point.

Here's the point of a psychic crutch- just as it was easier for poor whites to accept the power structure by believing that they have it better off than blacks and Hispanics it's easier for you to accept failures in US policy by saying it's better than China or Cuba. You live in a democracy man. You have rights enshrined by law that allow you to advocate for change. Don't passively accept injustice because you think other people have it worse.