Panos wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:I liked Zach.

I liked Jerome James...when he wasn't on the court.

I voted for Mo Taylor

Whoever didn't like the Mo Taylor trade -- man up!

I didn't. I was too worried that he'd take minutes from guys Jerome Williams and Vin Baker

knicks1248 wrote:

Panos wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Winning is the CURE for DRAMA.

You think if we were on an 11 game win streak that spike incident would have blown up, you think oak would have been talking sht to the owner if the knicks are up by 20 in a big game, it would have been high fives and fist pumping.

You get a Good experience coach, a solid leader/s in the locker room, guys that fit and enjoy their roles, and a balance of youth and VETS and a little bit of continuity...that's a recipe for success

Really?
There was no drama between Shaq and Kobe?
No drama between MJ and Kukoc?
Phil and Jerry Reinsdorf?
Do you have to have an overly simplistic opinion on everything?

Your talking about 3 HOF players on DYNASTY TEAMS that were already winning regardless to anything or anyone in their way with A zen master coach..

You have anymore silly examples.

what I mention isn't as simple as you would like it to sound because we tried like hell for 10 yrs, young coaches, old coaches, wrong draft picks, too young of a roster, to old of a roster, no leadership, toxic culture....this franchise was a soap opera

fishmike wrote:this is a good team. It doesnt appear to have the talent to compete for a title, but it is built to win and it will.

They will defend at a high level.
They have depth on both sides of the ball.
They can weather injuries to the key guys you expect to see some downtime (Rose/Kemba/Mitch)
They have savvy vets and fresh legs.
They have a LOT more scoring firepower than last year. Gone ELF/Frank/Reggie replaced by Kemba/Grimes/Fournier

The big question to me is how good are RJ/Obi/IQ and what kind of step forward do those 3 guys take. You could count Mitch in that group as well but something tells me he's trade chip

I think all of them are trade chips, because if Leon is talking about continuing to be aggressive on the trade front, those 4 guys are the biggest trade chips we have.

I'm somehow feel Randle is almost untouchable

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:this is a good team. It doesnt appear to have the talent to compete for a title, but it is built to win and it will.

They will defend at a high level.
They have depth on both sides of the ball.
They can weather injuries to the key guys you expect to see some downtime (Rose/Kemba/Mitch)
They have savvy vets and fresh legs.
They have a LOT more scoring firepower than last year. Gone ELF/Frank/Reggie replaced by Kemba/Grimes/Fournier

The big question to me is how good are RJ/Obi/IQ and what kind of step forward do those 3 guys take. You could count Mitch in that group as well but something tells me he's trade chip

I think all of them are trade chips, because if Leon is talking about continuing to be aggressive on the trade front, those 4 guys are the biggest trade chips we have.

I'm somehow feel Randle is almost untouchable

"Somehow" is very simplistic. It implies laziness that one either read that contract implications, read the logic of how Randle came to be franchise player, and that lack of other big money contracts available.
The guy is the epitome of our culture and it would look bad as a franchise to turn around and trade him. Which can't be done anyway anytime soon.

Whats awesome is 1248 states the obvious like he is telling us something he thought up all by himself.

Panos wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Panos wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:I liked Zach.

I liked Jerome James...when he wasn't on the court.

I voted for Mo Taylor

Whoever didn't like the Mo Taylor trade -- man up!

I didn't. I was too worried that he'd take minutes from guys Jerome Williams and Vin Baker

I loved the JYD. Vino Baker was a bum though.

Bum is too harsh. He was no Jackie Butler or Michael Sweetney, but c'mon!

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:this is a good team. It doesnt appear to have the talent to compete for a title, but it is built to win and it will.

They will defend at a high level.
They have depth on both sides of the ball.
They can weather injuries to the key guys you expect to see some downtime (Rose/Kemba/Mitch)
They have savvy vets and fresh legs.
They have a LOT more scoring firepower than last year. Gone ELF/Frank/Reggie replaced by Kemba/Grimes/Fournier

The big question to me is how good are RJ/Obi/IQ and what kind of step forward do those 3 guys take. You could count Mitch in that group as well but something tells me he's trade chip

I think all of them are trade chips, because if Leon is talking about continuing to be aggressive on the trade front, those 4 guys are the biggest trade chips we have.

I'm somehow feel Randle is almost untouchable

RJ is a core piece. Kemba, Fournier, Rose, IQ, Obi, Grimes, McBride, possibly Mitch would be trade chips. All depending on the target(s). As well as the multiple first & 2nd rounders in the war chest.

Knicks are in a quality position where they don't have to break the bank and can deal from a position of strength and not desperation. Wait it out for the team that lost a lot of leverage. Example Beal has a PO next offseason. By the trade deadline, Wizards may be out of time and leverage if Beal decides he wants out. Trade package of Fournier, IQ, & draft capital may make sense to Wiz at that time.

It may not play out like that. But the point is Knicks don't need to chase, they can wait it out and pounce on teams with low leverage. If not they can fall back on a winning record and high odds of winning in the first round.

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:this is a good team. It doesnt appear to have the talent to compete for a title, but it is built to win and it will.

They will defend at a high level.
They have depth on both sides of the ball.
They can weather injuries to the key guys you expect to see some downtime (Rose/Kemba/Mitch)
They have savvy vets and fresh legs.
They have a LOT more scoring firepower than last year. Gone ELF/Frank/Reggie replaced by Kemba/Grimes/Fournier

The big question to me is how good are RJ/Obi/IQ and what kind of step forward do those 3 guys take. You could count Mitch in that group as well but something tells me he's trade chip

I think all of them are trade chips, because if Leon is talking about continuing to be aggressive on the trade front, those 4 guys are the biggest trade chips we have.

I'm somehow feel Randle is almost untouchable

RJ is a core piece. Kemba, Fournier, Rose, IQ, Obi, Grimes, McBride, possibly Mitch would be trade chips. All depending on the target(s). As well as the multiple first & 2nd rounders in the war chest.

Knicks are in a quality position where they don't have to break the bank and can deal from a position of strength and not desperation. Wait it out for the team that lost a lot of leverage. Example Beal has a PO next offseason. By the trade deadline, Wizards may be out of time and leverage if Beal decides he wants out. Trade package of Fournier, IQ, & draft capital may make sense to Wiz at that time.

It may not play out like that. But the point is Knicks don't need to chase, they can wait it out and pounce on teams with low leverage. If not they can fall back on a winning record and high odds of winning in the first round.

I have seen enough from this FO to know whatever trade we make we aren't giving up the farm.

Nalod wrote:

Panos wrote:Jackie Blue!

A-Ha!!!!!! You remembered!!!!!
There was a window, a small one where he looked great!

Not resigning him knocked us back a decade.
The curse of Jackie Blue.