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RonRon
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8/3/2021  11:13 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/3/2021  11:18 AM
i am saying since we have Derrick Rose's early bird we can pay him to go over salary cap with his cap hold, in which would give us the full taxpayers MLE to sign Alec Burks (instead of using cap space for Burks we can use MLE after we resign Rose)

it is being reported that Rose's deal can be held since we have early bird rights and about 7m to spend
Rose's cap hold is right under 10m


if so
we should have about 17m in cap space to use and possibly more with contracts like Knox, Toppin, maybe Luca Vildoza's non guarantee deal

if this is not the case we scammed ourselves with these contracts in both money and years when we had 1year on these guys while needing 1 more year for early bird rights and we also had early bird on Reggie Bullock
horrible use of our cap space period

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8/3/2021  11:20 AM
franco12 wrote:
xblvdels3 wrote:
franco12 wrote:There are no PGs left?

Payton?
Can we find Mudiay? He would be perfect!

Lol 😁

I was only half kidding on Mudiay- I loved what he did his one good year here.

And he is getting another chance this summer with Portland:

https://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/2021/07/emmanuel-mudiay-intends-to-play-for-portland-trail-blazers-las-vegas-summer-league-team-per-report.html

Oh man, remember that 1st quarter vs. the Warriors? That was the best.

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8/3/2021  11:28 AM
gradyandrew wrote:
franco12 wrote:
xblvdels3 wrote:
franco12 wrote:There are no PGs left?

Payton?
Can we find Mudiay? He would be perfect!

Lol 😁

I was only half kidding on Mudiay- I loved what he did his one good year here.

And he is getting another chance this summer with Portland:

https://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/2021/07/emmanuel-mudiay-intends-to-play-for-portland-trail-blazers-las-vegas-summer-league-team-per-report.html

Oh man, remember that 1st quarter vs. the Warriors? That was the best.

I don't, but I just don't understand how a player with that talent, skill, physical attributes to make those kinds of plays is out of the league- unless he is a total pot head (thinking of you Renaldo Balkman)

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8/3/2021  11:50 AM
RonRon wrote:i am saying since we have Derrick Rose's early bird we can pay him to go over salary cap with his cap hold, in which would give us the full taxpayers MLE to sign Alec Burks (instead of using cap space for Burks we can use MLE after we resign Rose)

it is being reported that Rose's deal can be held since we have early bird rights and about 7m to spend
Rose's cap hold is right under 10m


if so
we should have about 17m in cap space to use and possibly more with contracts like Knox, Toppin, maybe Luca Vildoza's non guarantee deal

if this is not the case we scammed ourselves with these contracts in both money and years when we had 1year on these guys while needing 1 more year for early bird rights and we also had early bird on Reggie Bullock
horrible use of our cap space period

Knicks are not in the taxpayer range, so they would only get the $4.9M room exception

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8/3/2021  11:56 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/3/2021  11:57 AM
martin wrote:
RonRon wrote:i am saying since we have Derrick Rose's early bird we can pay him to go over salary cap with his cap hold, in which would give us the full taxpayers MLE to sign Alec Burks (instead of using cap space for Burks we can use MLE after we resign Rose)

it is being reported that Rose's deal can be held since we have early bird rights and about 7m to spend
Rose's cap hold is right under 10m


if so
we should have about 17m in cap space to use and possibly more with contracts like Knox, Toppin, maybe Luca Vildoza's non guarantee deal

if this is not the case we scammed ourselves with these contracts in both money and years when we had 1year on these guys while needing 1 more year for early bird rights and we also had early bird on Reggie Bullock
horrible use of our cap space period

Knicks are not in the taxpayer range, so they would only get the $4.9M room exception

Yeah the Knicks have 8 mil in cap space remaining and 5 mil as the room exception. My guess is Knox will either be moved for a 2nd round pick or sent in a sign-and-trade, opening up a total of 14 mil in space. So 14 mil can get you another really good player and the room exception can help fill out the roster or sign someone like McBride for a longer contract. I'm expecting 1 more ball to drop for the Knicks then they will sit tight and wait for the next superstar via trade, armed with all of their own 1st round picks, 2 additional 1sts, and a couple of really valuable 2nds too.

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8/3/2021  12:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/3/2021  12:10 PM
so even if Boston is willing to trade Evan Fournier for a trade exception to us because we signed Noel and Alec Burks using salary cap we would only get the room exception vs MLE correct?
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8/3/2021  12:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/3/2021  12:29 PM
then can someone explain to me how did LA Clippers last year was able to resign Marcus Morris to a 4year deal (when we signed him to a 1year deal then traded him so no bird rights 15m+)

and

still have Serge Ibaka for 2year FULL MLE
extend or sign and trade for Luke Kennard


Paul George and Kawaii about 40m salary each
Beverely 15m
Lou Williams 8m
Zubac 7.5m
the rest of the cap holds

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8/3/2021  12:40 PM
RonRon wrote:so even if Boston is willing to trade Evan Fournier for a trade exception to us because we signed Noel and Alec Burks using salary cap we would only get the room exception vs MLE correct?

Correct. Further explanation: https://cbabreakdown.com/salary-cap-exceptions

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8/3/2021  5:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/3/2021  5:25 PM
Quickley / Rose / McBride / Vildoza
RJ / Burks / Grimes
Fournier / Knox
Randle / Obi
Mitch / Noel / Taj

Looks like we are virtually done. Only one more spot for a 15 man roster. Would have loved to add Dipo or Markannen, but we already have well-entrenched starters at their positions. Nunn or Reggie Jackson would be nice to get, but would be joining an overcrowded position of PG by committee.

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8/5/2021  10:15 AM
Walker/Rose/Vildoza/McBride
Barrett/IQ/Grimes
Fournier/Burks/Knox
Randle/Toppin
Robinson/Noel/Gibson

Two Way Contracts?
Sims - Would hope he gets a 2 way. At 58 they could have taken any player that they wanted to get locked up.
Simms - Unclear whether he gets a 2Way or an exhibit 10. Could see them giving Pinson another 2 way.

The Knicks still have the Room exception which may make sense to hold onto in case there are any more key waivers this season.

Only assets that remain tradeable this season are Barrett 8.6, Vildoza 3.325, IQ 2.2, Toppin 5.1, Robinson 1.8, Knox 5.8 and the rights to Grimes, McBride and Sims until they are officially signed.

It remains possible to combine salaries to bring back a 30mm+ salary like Beal, it’s just that leaves the cupboard bare and it’s a lot of roster spots to create that value. If I had to guess a next move, it would be to consolidate a couple of the lower salary players for a mid level type player. Have to imagine that was the intention on the Myles Turner discussions.

Roster looks pretty balanced with starting Center being the biggest question mark given Robinson’s recent injuries. I’d be comfortable with a healthy Robinson. But if he has any nagging injuries, they really need to bolster that position.

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8/5/2021  10:35 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:Walker/Rose/Vildoza/McBride
Barrett/IQ/Grimes
Fournier/Burks/Knox
Randle/Toppin
Robinson/Noel/Gibson

Two Way Contracts?
Sims - Would hope he gets a 2 way. At 58 they could have taken any player that they wanted to get locked up.
Simms - Unclear whether he gets a 2Way or an exhibit 10. Could see them giving Pinson another 2 way.

The Knicks still have the Room exception which may make sense to hold onto in case there are any more key waivers this season.

Only assets that remain tradeable this season are Barrett 8.6, Vildoza 3.325, IQ 2.2, Toppin 5.1, Robinson 1.8, Knox 5.8 and the rights to Grimes, McBride and Sims until they are officially signed.

It remains possible to combine salaries to bring back a 30mm+ salary like Beal, it’s just that leaves the cupboard bare and it’s a lot of roster spots to create that value. If I had to guess a next move, it would be to consolidate a couple of the lower salary players for a mid level type player. Have to imagine that was the intention on the Myles Turner discussions.

Roster looks pretty balanced with starting Center being the biggest question mark given Robinson’s recent injuries. I’d be comfortable with a healthy Robinson. But if he has any nagging injuries, they really need to bolster that position.

Great summary, thanks

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8/5/2021  10:44 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:Walker/Rose/Vildoza/McBride
Barrett/IQ/Grimes
Fournier/Burks/Knox
Randle/Toppin
Robinson/Noel/Gibson

Two Way Contracts?
Sims - Would hope he gets a 2 way. At 58 they could have taken any player that they wanted to get locked up.
Simms - Unclear whether he gets a 2Way or an exhibit 10. Could see them giving Pinson another 2 way.

The Knicks still have the Room exception which may make sense to hold onto in case there are any more key waivers this season.

Only assets that remain tradeable this season are Barrett 8.6, Vildoza 3.325, IQ 2.2, Toppin 5.1, Robinson 1.8, Knox 5.8 and the rights to Grimes, McBride and Sims until they are officially signed.

It remains possible to combine salaries to bring back a 30mm+ salary like Beal, it’s just that leaves the cupboard bare and it’s a lot of roster spots to create that value. If I had to guess a next move, it would be to consolidate a couple of the lower salary players for a mid level type player. Have to imagine that was the intention on the Myles Turner discussions.

Roster looks pretty balanced with starting Center being the biggest question mark given Robinson’s recent injuries. I’d be comfortable with a healthy Robinson. But if he has any nagging injuries, they really need to bolster that position.

Yes, we are barely covered at PF and C, but with Mitch’s health in question, it might be wise to make McBride a two-way and look for another PF/C we can sign.

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8/5/2021  11:34 AM
Knicksfan wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:Walker/Rose/Vildoza/McBride
Barrett/IQ/Grimes
Fournier/Burks/Knox
Randle/Toppin
Robinson/Noel/Gibson

Two Way Contracts?
Sims - Would hope he gets a 2 way. At 58 they could have taken any player that they wanted to get locked up.
Simms - Unclear whether he gets a 2Way or an exhibit 10. Could see them giving Pinson another 2 way.

The Knicks still have the Room exception which may make sense to hold onto in case there are any more key waivers this season.

Only assets that remain tradeable this season are Barrett 8.6, Vildoza 3.325, IQ 2.2, Toppin 5.1, Robinson 1.8, Knox 5.8 and the rights to Grimes, McBride and Sims until they are officially signed.

It remains possible to combine salaries to bring back a 30mm+ salary like Beal, it’s just that leaves the cupboard bare and it’s a lot of roster spots to create that value. If I had to guess a next move, it would be to consolidate a couple of the lower salary players for a mid level type player. Have to imagine that was the intention on the Myles Turner discussions.

Roster looks pretty balanced with starting Center being the biggest question mark given Robinson’s recent injuries. I’d be comfortable with a healthy Robinson. But if he has any nagging injuries, they really need to bolster that position.

Yes, we are barely covered at PF and C, but with Mitch’s health in question, it might be wise to make McBride a two-way and look for another PF/C we can sign.

Simms is a PF with a good resume for an older player.

A pretty good summary of Simms here. The second speaker has pretty positive input -- 89% percentile on winning impact. Not flashy so doesn't get attention, but does all the little things right. The kind of player that can earn NBA minutes by doing things right. PS - shot 40% from 3.

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8/6/2021  1:39 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:Walker/Rose/Vildoza/McBride
Barrett/IQ/Grimes
Fournier/Burks/Knox
Randle/Toppin
Robinson/Noel/Gibson

Two Way Contracts?
Sims - Would hope he gets a 2 way. At 58 they could have taken any player that they wanted to get locked up.
Simms - Unclear whether he gets a 2Way or an exhibit 10. Could see them giving Pinson another 2 way.

The Knicks still have the Room exception which may make sense to hold onto in case there are any more key waivers this season.

Only assets that remain tradeable this season are Barrett 8.6, Vildoza 3.325, IQ 2.2, Toppin 5.1, Robinson 1.8, Knox 5.8 and the rights to Grimes, McBride and Sims until they are officially signed.

It remains possible to combine salaries to bring back a 30mm+ salary like Beal, it’s just that leaves the cupboard bare and it’s a lot of roster spots to create that value. If I had to guess a next move, it would be to consolidate a couple of the lower salary players for a mid level type player. Have to imagine that was the intention on the Myles Turner discussions.

Roster looks pretty balanced with starting Center being the biggest question mark given Robinson’s recent injuries. I’d be comfortable with a healthy Robinson. But if he has any nagging injuries, they really need to bolster that position.

Yes, we are barely covered at PF and C, but with Mitch’s health in question, it might be wise to make McBride a two-way and look for another PF/C we can sign.

Simms is a PF with a good resume for an older player.

A pretty good summary of Simms here. The second speaker has pretty positive input -- 89% percentile on winning impact. Not flashy so doesn't get attention, but does all the little things right. The kind of player that can earn NBA minutes by doing things right. PS - shot 40% from 3.

Put something out on Simms a few days ago in the SL thread.

Including a review of his play in some kind of G-League camp.

He shot 40% from 3 his last two years in college. As I said in the SL thread, this guy has to show he can defend on the perimeter. He's a 3/4 tweener in terms of height...
Measured 6’7.5” barefoot, 6’8.5” in shoes 8’11.0” standing reach, 234.6 lbs, and 7’0.25” wingspan at the 2021 NBA G-League Elite Camp

Watched a number videos of him- he just looks like a solid player who can do a little of everything but nothing spectacular. I have a feeling he really worked on his 3pt shooting after his sophomore year because he knew it might be his only ticket to the NBA.

The NBA isn't really a post-up league, for the most part. I think Simms is strong enough to hold his own in the post...I just want to see if he can stop quicker players off the dribble.

Scouting report from the G-League Elite Camp games:

Team Four’s Aamir Simms also played well in a loss to Team One. He showed off versatile scoring skills, and he shot the ball well especially from beyond the arc. Simms was able to knock down a couple of open, spot-up threes to showcase his shooting skills.
Plus, he also did a good job of scoring on strong, right-handed drives to the hoop, and he also managed to score on an acrobatic layup while getting an extra free throw once. Simms also managed to score on a roll to the rim. Simms struggled more to score in the post, as he had trouble scoring on turnaround jumpers when posting up.

He generally passed the ball well. Simms was able to pass out of the post to find a cutter to notch an assist. He also was able to find a teammate on the break another time.

He also did a decent job of rebounding the basketball. He played adequate defense. Simms was able to jump a pass to get a steal. He also contested a three to force a miss. On the other hand, he was overly physical when defending in the post once, which led him to commit the foul.

Overall, Aamir Simms had a solid tournament, and he generally excelled as a shooter and scorer at this event. Unfortunately, his team lost both games, and he looked to be overshadowed at times, as his unselfishness sometimes led him to fade into the background. Still, he is a skilled combo forward that can knock down jump shots, which could enable him to be an effective rotation player in the NBA someday.

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