Chandler wrote:still thinking its Reggie Jackson

Clips are a bit handcuffed. SO even if he liked it there he'd probably have to settle for way less than he can get

we would have to be sold on him being more mature and professional (I am), and that his shooting is for real. Guy has a 7' wingspan to boot.

i also can't stop looking at Sacramento as some form of trade partner

Jackson has to be #1 priority for us. Probably won’t need more than a 2-3 year deal. Is still a full time PG who gives us everything we need playmaking, penetration, perimeter shooting etc

We can easily outbid the clips

Knixkik wrote:Basically the Knicks got a Burks or Bullock replacement in Grimes and a Ntilikina replacement in McBride as a situational defensive backup stopper. No harm in that. Sims profiles as maybe a solid potential 3rd string big and I know he had some fans here. Good value. The euro pick was a punt for now. The trade of 19 told us the Knicks are more concerned about assets than players in this draft. They want to keep the cupboard full. I expect Rose and Gibson back, but I expect us to grab a new starting PG and possibly a new starting wing. The rest probably remains about the same.

Just want to point out that the Knicks only traded the 19th pick and then traded down AFTER attempting to trade up into the lottery for a true difference maker. So I wouldn't just assume the Knicks care more about assets than players at this point. My guess is they couldn't move up, they missed out on their top targets and they felt like their best option is to move down. So they did. Its what good GMs do.

I agree however, that the Knicks will be aggressively looking for a veteran starting PG and SF via FA and/or trade. Whether that is a stop gap player, an aging star, a young star, a young player with high upside, or a combination. Free Agency is really hard to predict but Oubre and Ball immediately come to mind as two players who would both fit under the cap and cross off those boxes the Knicks need to round off starting lineup.

Ball/Rose?/McBride/Vildoza
RJ/Quick
Oubre/Pinson/Grimes/Knox?
Randle/Obi/Pelle
Mitch/Noel?

We need depth at C position, I would not be surprised to see Noel back.

RSparrow2 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:Whats the possibility of Fox being fed up by the kings front office planning and demand a trade?

I think the only way the knicks can get fox is by including Randle or RJ. Can Mitch, IQ, knox, oBi plus a couple of 1st be enough,

love RJ and hear all the karma defenses

but i think a deal centered around RJ and Fox makes sense. Have to give to get

I think Thibs wants an attacking pg, then there's the Kentucky thing

RJ as Sacramento's SG makes sense next ot Halliburton or Mitchell

Also Randle and RJ are each going to make a LOT of money. Once those are done, we won't have enough money for a prime time pg. I think Thibs would prefer a prime time pg

All that said, I'd prefer to keep RJ. I think he's the type of guy who will get better and better every year

RJ and a pick for Fox id consider but nothing more

trading RJ is insane .... RJ will be better than Randle in another year ..

"RJ will be better than Randle in another year .."

Kind of a weird statement. They are very different players who play different positions at different stages in their careers.

But yes, I agree. Trading RJ for anyone other than a bonafide superstar doesn't really make sense for the Knicks. Rather than trading RJ for Fox, I would just sign Lonzo or Graham or Reggie Jackson or Dinwiddie or Cam Payne or Shroeder. I know those guys are not on the same level as Fox but at least you are not losing one of your best players in the deal. The Knicks have plenty of cap space and after their playoff run last year they are not in a full rebuild.

And the whole thing with paying RJ eventually...well, won't the Knicks have to pay Fox? Or am I missing something...

EwingsGlass wrote:Barring some magical CP3/Kawhi offseason,

I think we will target guys like Devonte Graham, Norman Powell and Kelly Oubre. Guys with lesser height but large wingspan. They tend to be better defenders. I see the Knicks being price shoppers in FA cause they can afford to be.

I’ve moved Graham over Ball in my head for PG.
I’m probably still with Oubre over Powell for SF only cause of body size, but I wonder if Oubre has the mental makeup.

I’m looking at Kelly Olynyk. But I don’t know that Jericho Sims is so far off. Feels like he got buried on a very athletic Texas front court. Guy has huge wingspan and hops. If he can box out, I think he will be in the rotation pretty soon after G league ends.

Graham/Rose/McBride/Vildoza
Barrett/Quickley/Grimes
Oubre/Powell/Bullock
Randle/Toppin/Knox
Robinson/Pelle/Gibson/Sims

I might be a little over budget here and need some S&T or to move a couple assets to finish this squad. Have to hope with these choices that the Knicks continue to improve the shooting on their team I with hard work.

I am sure I will be back to Ball in my next post, but this is where I am right now. Not ready to say Sexton yet, but I am getting there.

Reggie Bullock is the issue. Knicks can retain his early bird rights and resign him for 7.2 million, 2 million less than the full MLE. With D. Robinson, Fournier, and maybe THJ on the market, Bullock might get squeezed to a lower number. He won't be happy as the 3rd stringer without a multi year guarantee (no team options)

Without Bullock, but retaining Rose's rights Knicks have about 41 million in space. Rose gets 13 million, your other 3 (Graham, Oubre, Powell) split the 41.

gradyandrew wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Barring some magical CP3/Kawhi offseason,

I think we will target guys like Devonte Graham, Norman Powell and Kelly Oubre. Guys with lesser height but large wingspan. They tend to be better defenders. I see the Knicks being price shoppers in FA cause they can afford to be.

I’ve moved Graham over Ball in my head for PG.
I’m probably still with Oubre over Powell for SF only cause of body size, but I wonder if Oubre has the mental makeup.

I’m looking at Kelly Olynyk. But I don’t know that Jericho Sims is so far off. Feels like he got buried on a very athletic Texas front court. Guy has huge wingspan and hops. If he can box out, I think he will be in the rotation pretty soon after G league ends.

Graham/Rose/McBride/Vildoza
Barrett/Quickley/Grimes
Oubre/Powell/Bullock
Randle/Toppin/Knox
Robinson/Pelle/Gibson/Sims

I might be a little over budget here and need some S&T or to move a couple assets to finish this squad. Have to hope with these choices that the Knicks continue to improve the shooting on their team I with hard work.

I am sure I will be back to Ball in my next post, but this is where I am right now. Not ready to say Sexton yet, but I am getting there.

Reggie Bullock is the issue. Knicks can retain his early bird rights and resign him for 7.2 million, 2 million less than the full MLE. With D. Robinson, Fournier, and maybe THJ on the market, Bullock might get squeezed to a lower number. He won't be happy as the 3rd stringer without a multi year guarantee (no team options)

Without Bullock, but retaining Rose's rights Knicks have about 41 million in space. Rose gets 13 million, your other 3 (Graham, Oubre, Powell) split the 41.

Derrick Rose is at a position in his life where he could take a discount again this year to allow his full Bird rights vest and give the Knicks more flexibility in free agency. I don’t really question the 13mm valuation, but I doubt he goes above 10mm. In short, I don’t see another team that can/will offer him more than the MLE at 9.7mm this year. I could have him pegged wrong, but my sense it is more important to enjoy where he is playing (here with Thibs) than a couple million bucks one way or the other.

Jimbo5 wrote:With Grimes and McBride, the knicks have solidified their backcourt. Frank most likely is gone. Burks might be walking out as well. The team needs after the draft hasnt been fully addressed, the knicks still need a starting point guard as well as wing help.

I dont think Rose will be back. Im not sure Luca is also a part of this time next year.

We need a starting PG and a Starting SF. Who will that be?

After the draft, looking at the players the teams just picked, which teams created role redundancies? Can there be new trade candidates that was created with this draft? Who can the knicks new trade targets be? Can Fox be made available? Or Haliburton?

Solidified? At best we got our 2nd wing off the bench and a 3rd PG. The Knicks still need a starting PG, a starting SF, first wing off the bench, and a back-up Center. None of our picks are guaranteed rotation players. Grimes is a nice player but this is still a smallish unathletic team on the wing. Watching the Hawks get Jalen Johnson made me sick. They are going to give our shooters fits. They now have 3 young wings with 7' wingspans they can throw at us.

Jimbo5 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:With Grimes and McBride, the knicks have solidified their backcourt. Frank most likely is gone. Burks might be walking out as well. The team needs after the draft hasnt been fully addressed, the knicks still need a starting point guard as well as wing help.

I dont think Rose will be back. Im not sure Luca is also a part of this time next year.

We need a starting PG and a Starting SF. Who will that be?

After the draft, looking at the players the teams just picked, which teams created role redundancies? Can there be new trade candidates that was created with this draft? Who can the knicks new trade targets be? Can Fox be made available? Or Haliburton?

Solidified? At best we got our 2nd wing off the bench and a 3rd PG. The Knicks still need a starting PG, a starting SF, first wing off the bench, and a back-up Center. None of our picks are guaranteed rotation players.

Ok, its might be too early to say solidified, they haven't even played a game in the summer league. My bad, hehe. But i eo think this draft netted us some good players.

Grimes is a nice player but this is still a smallish unathletic team on the wing. Watching the Hawks get Jalen Johnson made me sick. They are going to give our shooters fits. They now have 3 young wings with 7' wingspans they can throw at us. Little frustrated we couldn't get Murphy. He was the perfect roster fit for this team