BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:I think the Sexton talk is just about putting feelers to the teams that have cap space for trade movement.

Cavs in a spot where they prob need vets. No idea how they feel about Love.

May need to move Jarrett Allen if they draft Mobley.

Want to move on from Sexton cause he and Garland just dont fit plus the whole contract thing.

I think there's also the hope Green is available when they pick. In that scenario, I think they'd want Sexton to disappear as quickly as possible.

I don't think this is a feeler test, all reports indicate they are ready to move on, and when you lose 50 games thats not a sign you're headed in the right direction, so expect major changes.

Definitely not a test. But this year's draft pick definitely impacts the urgency in which they move. If they pick Green, I think they'll be more desperate to move Sexton before the season starts. The Knicks aren't under any pressure to make a move now. They can still sign Sexton after the season if they want. Of course, I'm not aware how many teams with cap space are interested in Sexton, so there's risk there as well.

The knicks have never got a player they wanted in FA, so i would never take that route..NEVER.

Any star/potential star they want they will have to trade for..I feel like Sexton is on the level Randle was when we got him..He's just waiting to be coached properly

Also, These Capped out teams will just do S&T like Miami and Boston does..you see what GSW did before they loss KD for nothing, gain Russell, who turned into Wiggins.

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:I think the Sexton talk is just about putting feelers to the teams that have cap space for trade movement.

Cavs in a spot where they prob need vets. No idea how they feel about Love.

May need to move Jarrett Allen if they draft Mobley.

Want to move on from Sexton cause he and Garland just dont fit plus the whole contract thing.

I think there's also the hope Green is available when they pick. In that scenario, I think they'd want Sexton to disappear as quickly as possible.

I don't think this is a feeler test, all reports indicate they are ready to move on, and when you lose 50 games thats not a sign you're headed in the right direction, so expect major changes.

Definitely not a test. But this year's draft pick definitely impacts the urgency in which they move. If they pick Green, I think they'll be more desperate to move Sexton before the season starts. The Knicks aren't under any pressure to make a move now. They can still sign Sexton after the season if they want. Of course, I'm not aware how many teams with cap space are interested in Sexton, so there's risk there as well.

The knicks have never got a player they wanted in FA, so i would never take that route..NEVER.

Any star/potential star they want they will have to trade for..I feel like Sexton is on the level Randle was when we got him..He's just waiting to be coached properly

Also, These Capped out teams will just do S&T like Miami and Boston does..you see what GSW did before they loss KD for nothing, gain Russell, who turned into Wiggins.

And Minny’s pick this year!
Can’t wait for Sexton as he likely will be gone and extended.

MS wrote:
If you’re the Cavs why are you letting a kid go that can score the ball and is that age??

After the draft classes that brought Tristan Thompson and Dion Waiters to the Cavs, there were some sweeping internal changes in how Cleveland did things. Chris Grant was not a bad GM, but he also was not a good one. He was the worst kind, a mediocre one. Bad ones you clip fast. Mediocre ones show you just enough to keep them too long and they inflict more damage.

Grant didn't understand how to use the numbers that analytics gave him with actual context.

Jon Nichols I'm familiar with from MIT Sloan. He is open about hardlining against positional value. What that means is Collin Sexton was drafted as value for slot given a specific time and place in a specific draft, but anyone who doesn't fit a mostly rigid outlook on positional value will usually be jettisoned ASAP. The prevailing theory is you can't form projections against a player who has no real role in the modern game.

Grant didn't understand that a functional NBA rotation is just a series of predefined roles and archetypes. Bullpen by committee really doesn't work very well in MLB. Needing to have a preset role is a function of the human condition and human behavior and analytics without context can't see the value in that. Analytics is just another tool, a powerful tool but it's not good or bad on it's own. It's how someone wields that tool and applies it that makes a difference. Grant was both too smart for his own good and too dumb for his own good. That's what mediocre really means.

Koby Altman is a figurehead GM. Nichols is the one really driving how personnel moves in Cleveland.

Philc1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:I think the Sexton talk is just about putting feelers to the teams that have cap space for trade movement.

Cavs in a spot where they prob need vets. No idea how they feel about Love.

May need to move Jarrett Allen if they draft Mobley.

Want to move on from Sexton cause he and Garland just dont fit plus the whole contract thing.

I think there's also the hope Green is available when they pick. In that scenario, I think they'd want Sexton to disappear as quickly as possible.

I don't think this is a feeler test, all reports indicate they are ready to move on, and when you lose 50 games thats not a sign you're headed in the right direction, so expect major changes.

Definitely not a test. But this year's draft pick definitely impacts the urgency in which they move. If they pick Green, I think they'll be more desperate to move Sexton before the season starts. The Knicks aren't under any pressure to make a move now. They can still sign Sexton after the season if they want. Of course, I'm not aware how many teams with cap space are interested in Sexton, so there's risk there as well.

The knicks have never got a player they wanted in FA, so i would never take that route..NEVER.

Any star/potential star they want they will have to trade for..I feel like Sexton is on the level Randle was when we got him..He's just waiting to be coached properly

Also, These Capped out teams will just do S&T like Miami and Boston does..you see what GSW did before they loss KD for nothing, gain Russell, who turned into Wiggins.

Knicks never got a free agent they wanted? How did Allan Houston and Amare Stoudemire happen?

TripleThreat wrote:

MS wrote:
If you’re the Cavs why are you letting a kid go that can score the ball and is that age??

After the draft classes that brought Tristan Thompson and Dion Waiters to the Cavs, there were some sweeping internal changes in how Cleveland did things. Chris Grant was not a bad GM, but he also was not a good one. He was the worst kind, a mediocre one. Bad ones you clip fast. Mediocre ones show you just enough to keep them too long and they inflict more damage.

Grant didn't understand how to use the numbers that analytics gave him with actual context.

Jon Nichols I'm familiar with from MIT Sloan. He is open about hardlining against positional value. What that means is Collin Sexton was drafted as value for slot given a specific time and place in a specific draft, but anyone who doesn't fit a mostly rigid outlook on positional value will usually be jettisoned ASAP. The prevailing theory is you can't form projections against a player who has no real role in the modern game.

Grant didn't understand that a functional NBA rotation is just a series of predefined roles and archetypes. Bullpen by committee really doesn't work very well in MLB. Needing to have a preset role is a function of the human condition and human behavior and analytics without context can't see the value in that. Analytics is just another tool, a powerful tool but it's not good or bad on it's own. It's how someone wields that tool and applies it that makes a difference. Grant was both too smart for his own good and too dumb for his own good. That's what mediocre really means.

Koby Altman is a figurehead GM. Nichols is the one really driving how personnel moves in Cleveland.

This sounds like positive news for the Knicks. If the Cavs are going forward with Garland, Nance, Allen, and their pick, maybe they can talk themselves into Knox as a positional fit as someone who can spread the floor.

I'm pretty High on the Knicks current roster So I'd be happiest If Sexton just cost Knox and the Dallas picks.

Jmpasq wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:I think the Sexton talk is just about putting feelers to the teams that have cap space for trade movement.

Cavs in a spot where they prob need vets. No idea how they feel about Love.

May need to move Jarrett Allen if they draft Mobley.

Want to move on from Sexton cause he and Garland just dont fit plus the whole contract thing.

I think there's also the hope Green is available when they pick. In that scenario, I think they'd want Sexton to disappear as quickly as possible.

I don't think this is a feeler test, all reports indicate they are ready to move on, and when you lose 50 games thats not a sign you're headed in the right direction, so expect major changes.

Definitely not a test. But this year's draft pick definitely impacts the urgency in which they move. If they pick Green, I think they'll be more desperate to move Sexton before the season starts. The Knicks aren't under any pressure to make a move now. They can still sign Sexton after the season if they want. Of course, I'm not aware how many teams with cap space are interested in Sexton, so there's risk there as well.

The knicks have never got a player they wanted in FA, so i would never take that route..NEVER.

Any star/potential star they want they will have to trade for..I feel like Sexton is on the level Randle was when we got him..He's just waiting to be coached properly

Also, These Capped out teams will just do S&T like Miami and Boston does..you see what GSW did before they loss KD for nothing, gain Russell, who turned into Wiggins.

Knicks never got a free agent they wanted? How did Allan Houston and Amare Stoudemire happen?

Tyson Chandler was a very good signing too (Even though it was a sign and trade for cap purposes)

gradyandrew wrote:I don't understand what the connection between the two of them is. My feeling is that getting Sexton would improve the chances of Knicks wooing Lonzo. Lonzo/ Sexton/ RJ/ Randle/ Robinson looks nice.

Sexton is a vastly undersized shooting guard who is a zero defender. He's a good scorer but he's more suited to a 6th Man role than as a well balanced part of an overall team concept. Linking him to Lonzo Ball matters in that Ball has the size and defense to switch with someone like Sexton while still offering the court vision and playmaking that Sexton lacks. Lonzo Ball, in theory and in the eyes of some, balances out Sexton's clear flaws.

I'll give Sexton credit in that he can and will move off the ball when he needs to do it. However part of the issue is Randle's production is based on him being completely ball dominant and the primary ball handler. Lonzo Ball needs the ball in his hands to run the offense. While Sexton did shift roles to let Garland play and thrive, he was still the primary scoring option. That may or may not be true with a roster including Randle.

This is the bane of players who are productive on SEPARATE objectively bad teams ( the Knicks surprised this year, but no one expected it) then link them. If you put two of them together, it's unlikely they mesh well.

TripleThreat wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:
How about that Julius Randle signing? Looks like pure stroke of genius and luck in retrospect. When preparation and opportunity collide.

Randle was allowed to walk by both the Lakers and Pelicans. At the time, he was a power forward who could not transition to pivot nor defend the rim. He shot the ball well from behind the arc in NO but that wasn't a rock solid given the rest of his career. The league had just seen many teams end up cap locked because they spent those vast amounts of extra open cap space when the overall cap exploded without any kind of smoothing option. The Knicks signed a bunch of PFs to get to the cap floor and they held the lowest positional value in the entire league.

The Knicks got Randle because they were offering the most money and the longest deal and there was some pathway for Randle to try to reset his full Bird Rights.

Randle upticked in a way that defied normal player development curves and timelines. You can't predict market anomalies.

So luck. Mostly luck.

Good for Julius Randle for turning it around. His first year in NY was brutal and honestly he was on the path to being a journeyman forever at that point.

Most of this is true. But there those that believed he had another level to reach. He was not just given the money but the opportunity and that is rare as well. That he was able to grow and get the right coach was awesome. If not he likley would be a free agent an a role player.
Sustainable?

Bald Swallower For Rent and Tight Crotch Neckbeard both hope the other will finally shower and stop drinking melted ice cream too.

Hitting a little too close to home here, be careful.

smackeddog wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Nalod wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:
How about that Julius Randle signing? Looks like pure stroke of genius and luck in retrospect. When preparation and opportunity collide.

Randle was allowed to walk by both the Lakers and Pelicans. At the time, he was a power forward who could not transition to pivot nor defend the rim. He shot the ball well from behind the arc in NO but that wasn't a rock solid given the rest of his career. The league had just seen many teams end up cap locked because they spent those vast amounts of extra open cap space when the overall cap exploded without any kind of smoothing option. The Knicks signed a bunch of PFs to get to the cap floor and they held the lowest positional value in the entire league.

The Knicks got Randle because they were offering the most money and the longest deal and there was some pathway for Randle to try to reset his full Bird Rights.

Randle upticked in a way that defied normal player development curves and timelines. You can't predict market anomalies.

So luck. Mostly luck.

Good for Julius Randle for turning it around. His first year in NY was brutal and honestly he was on the path to being a journeyman forever at that point.

Most of this is true. But there those that believed he had another level to reach. He was not just given the money but the opportunity and that is rare as well. That he was able to grow and get the right coach was awesome. If not he likley would be a free agent an a role player.
Sustainable?

All of it is true from a market based perspective.

Randle at the time the Pelicans let him go was an NBA big man who could not defend the rim and there were no assurances he could effectively and consistently space the floor. This along with many teams being cap locked drove the demand for his services through the basement. Like many players where their demand is muted, his best option for overall total money and a cinch lock towards unchecked minutes and shots was with one of the worst teams in the entire league ( I love the Knicks, but given when Randle signed, they were still perceived as a team in the gutter )

This is not a story about Tom Brady marrying a supermodel in Gisele Budchen.

This is a story about a woman who is 150 pounds overweight and is balding prematurely and with sandpaper type acne willing to suck dick every single day if the mortgage gets paid. And the wedding ring is coming from a basement neckbeard who spits when he talks, has never trimmed his nosehairs, which blend seamlessly in his scruffy beard dotted with Cheeto dust, who wears white sweatpants that are too tight with no underwear underneath.

Sure the Knicks wanted to believe in Randle. Why not? Bald Swallower For Rent and Tight Crotch Neckbeard both hope the other will finally shower and stop drinking melted ice cream too.

I mean, I get it, I get why hardcore fans want hope no matter how it's packaged. But anyone pretending post Pelicans Randle was shaking ass like Gisele lives in a world where the sky is made out of cotton candy.

Let's not go off into fantasy land, after Randle's first year, his career prospects were looking ugly as ****. He was half a rung away from being as desirable as a bunch of corn chips drowning in Walmart brand chili found in dumpster.

I know what you are thinking. She only swallows because she thinks it's melted ice cream. Only took a decade, and now we finally agree on something.

Can we can the misogynistic ****, please, it’s gross and it’s 2021.

He included a male figure this time! Not quite equal but he is coming around!
The humorous fictional depictions are fewer and farther between but this one is off the charts to the extent its not myssgounous, its ****ing awesome!

ramtour420 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:I think the Sexton talk is just about putting feelers to the teams that have cap space for trade movement.

Cavs in a spot where they prob need vets. No idea how they feel about Love.

May need to move Jarrett Allen if they draft Mobley.

Want to move on from Sexton cause he and Garland just dont fit plus the whole contract thing.

I think there's also the hope Green is available when they pick. In that scenario, I think they'd want Sexton to disappear as quickly as possible.

I don't think this is a feeler test, all reports indicate they are ready to move on, and when you lose 50 games thats not a sign you're headed in the right direction, so expect major changes.

Definitely not a test. But this year's draft pick definitely impacts the urgency in which they move. If they pick Green, I think they'll be more desperate to move Sexton before the season starts. The Knicks aren't under any pressure to make a move now. They can still sign Sexton after the season if they want. Of course, I'm not aware how many teams with cap space are interested in Sexton, so there's risk there as well.

The knicks have never got a player they wanted in FA, so i would never take that route..NEVER.

Any star/potential star they want they will have to trade for..I feel like Sexton is on the level Randle was when we got him..He's just waiting to be coached properly

Also, These Capped out teams will just do S&T like Miami and Boston does..you see what GSW did before they loss KD for nothing, gain Russell, who turned into Wiggins.

Knicks never got a free agent they wanted? How did Allan Houston and Amare Stoudemire happen?

Tyson Chandler was a very good signing too (Even though it was a sign and trade for cap purposes)

How about that Julius Randle signing? Looks like pure stroke of genius and luck in retrospect. When preparation and opportunity collide.

That turned out well but he wasn't considered a top tier player at the time. Chandler was recognized around the NBA as an All NBA type defender