martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:[snip]

Moody probably lack elite upside, but are safe role players. Moody could be a Mikal Bridges as a best-case, and his downside is probably still a Reggie Bullock type.

I like Moody a lot. For me, his upside is a lesser Klay Thompson and his floor is around Mikal Bridges. Both Klay and Mikal played 3 years on college so we have to project out a bit for Moody.

He doesn't have elite athleticism but is long like Mikal. Very nice shooting form and he moves and competes on D. Lacks strength and explosiveness.

I like Moody too. My only concern is he doesn't do anything elite, but he can definitely be a high level 3&D guy. And honestly Cam Thomas is still a good option. He's a professional scorer, one of the best if not best in this draft, and at the very least he's going to be a great bench scorer sooner rather than later.

Knixkik wrote: Kispert has Joe Harris written all over him, a good shooter to surround stars with.

Kispert can't defend the rim and he won't be able to defend the perimeter. He's a tweener for the role of Stretch 5 ( He can't operate as a lead guard/attack guard and he has no chance to effectively play on the wing)

One of the reasons I was so high on Saddiq Bey last deep preseason is he understood how to use his own space, but also how to use everyone else's space as well. That's not easy. I'd say it's one of the hardest things in the NBA to do, esp as a rookie. Kispert understands how to use his space, but not everyone else's and that's too much of a tradeoff considering his overall flaws.

What's good about Kispert? He's got good footwork and good fundamentals. He understands he's a role player and won't deviate beyond what he's projected to e good at in the league. You can see how his shot will translate in a technical sense. He operated in a NBA centric offense at Gonzaga. He's primed to fill a role. He's an underrated passer. Give him a little day light and he'll **** you up pretty good. He can toss dimes instinctively.

What's the death sentence for him? He's an older prospect that lacks plus plus range, can't create his own shot, won't be able to get to the rim and he profiles out to a rhythm/streak shooter without the red hot bursts of a Vinnie Johnson/Jamal Crawford type. He hasn't shown he can kill you at long range while under consistent hard contact. Let's get real here - As another white gunner, he's going to get beat up every single night until he puts someone on the floor. And it's unclear if he has that in him ( likely not)

He's not a wing. Not even close. If your bread and butter is as a gunner and you won't profile out as a league average defender, then you need plus plus range and you need to be able to take over entire quarters on your own by being able to bomb people from your own logo.

Would I take him at 19? No
Would I take him at 21? No
Would I take him at 32? Maybe.
Do I think he'll be overdrafted? Yes, the Knicks don't need to overthink this, pick a guy, who at minimum, fills immediately an established role in the modern NBA game.
Do I like him as a general fan of the game? Yes. He's fundamental and plays the right way and to his own personal ceiling
Do I like him as a Knicks diehard? No. Let him be another team's new problem. The last thing this team needs is another undersized power forward who is not a power forward.
Does Briggs have unusually tiny hands? He could be a surgeon for lemmings in distress. Fuckers keep jumping off of cliffs and splattering themselves. I bet Briggs could get those miniature digits in there and stop the bleeding. Do you concur, Dr. Briggs? Yes, he concurs. Look at him wave at you with that backscratcher sized mini fist.

If I had to say something nice about Kispert, it's that he has bigger hands than Briggs. Then again, he had bigger hands than Briggs when he was 8 years old. So there's that.

TripleThreat wrote:

Knixkik wrote: Kispert has Joe Harris written all over him, a good shooter to surround stars with.

Kispert can't defend the rim and he won't be able to defend the perimeter. He's a tweener for the role of Stretch 5 ( He can't operate as a lead guard/attack guard and he has no chance to effectively play on the wing)

One of the reasons I was so high on Saddiq Bey last deep preseason is he understood how to use his own space, but also how to use everyone else's space as well. That's not easy. I'd say it's one of the hardest things in the NBA to do, esp as a rookie. Kispert understands how to use his space, but not everyone else's and that's too much of a tradeoff considering his overall flaws.

What's good about Kispert? He's got good footwork and good fundamentals. He understands he's a role player and won't deviate beyond what he's projected to e good at in the league. You can see how his shot will translate in a technical sense. He operated in a NBA centric offense at Gonzaga. He's primed to fill a role. He's an underrated passer. Give him a little day light and he'll **** you up pretty good. He can toss dimes instinctively.

What's the death sentence for him? He's an older prospect that lacks plus plus range, can't create his own shot, won't be able to get to the rim and he profiles out to a rhythm/streak shooter without the red hot bursts of a Vinnie Johnson/Jamal Crawford type. He hasn't shown he can kill you at long range while under consistent hard contact. Let's get real here - As another white gunner, he's going to get beat up every single night until he puts someone on the floor. And it's unclear if he has that in him ( likely not)

He's not a wing. Not even close. If your bread and butter is as a gunner and you won't profile out as a league average defender, then you need plus plus range and you need to be able to take over entire quarters on your own by being able to bomb people from your own logo.

Would I take him at 19? No
Would I take him at 21? No
Would I take him at 32? Maybe.
Do I think he'll be overdrafted? Yes, the Knicks don't need to overthink this, pick a guy, who at minimum, fills immediately an established role in the modern NBA game.
Do I like him as a general fan of the game? Yes. He's fundamental and plays the right way and to his own personal ceiling
Do I like him as a Knicks diehard? No. Let him be another team's new problem. The last thing this team needs is another undersized power forward who is not a power forward.
Does Briggs have unusually tiny hands? He could be a surgeon for lemmings in distress. Fuckers keep jumping off of cliffs and splattering themselves. I bet Briggs could get those miniature digits in there and stop the bleeding. Do you concur, Dr. Briggs? Yes, he concurs. Look at him wave at you with that backscratcher sized mini fist.

If I had to say something nice about Kispert, it's that he has bigger hands than Briggs. Then again, he had bigger hands than Briggs when he was 8 years old. So there's that.

No need to sign Reggie bullock for 6-12m because he basically offers the same thing kispert does.

Kispert would cost 2m

Flaws with all these players above pick 5. You can shoot for the high upside player who is athletic but he could turn into a 28 percent shooter from 3

Sure thing is this players shooting stroke.

Thing with the draft is everyone is always trying to find this great talent who will take them to the next level. Greater odds that high upside guy never reaches his potential.

All I know is whoever drafts this player he will shoot it from beyond 3 against us and there is a 44 percent odds it will go in.

Joe Harris sucked when the nets needed him the most. But how much is joe Harris making per season?

This player will demand joe Harris salary 3-4 years from now.

A team can get him for 2m right now. That’s called upside up

martin wrote:I don't get the infatuation with Kispert, and especially in the lottery or even at #21.

What is he doing better than a Reggie Bullock type player?

Can he put ball on floor?

Can he defend? His lateral quickness seems on par with Obi's.

Guys like this get eaten alive during playoffs IMHO

I agree the ceiling isn't there but a cost controlled back-up wing still have value. You save some salary cap space to use elsewhere

VDesai wrote:

martin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:I don't get the infatuation with Kispert, and especially in the lottery or even at #21.

What is he doing better than a Reggie Bullock type player?

Can he put ball on floor?

Can he defend? His lateral quickness seems on par with Obi's.

Guys like this get eaten alive during playoffs IMHO

Yeah, I'm not sure if he's just glued to one position or if he can swing down to 2 or up to the 4.
I don't see lottery talent. He does fill a definite need, so I can understand why a team would reach.

And I don't even mean to sound obtuse but that definite need to me translates to 1 trick pony. And if you are going to be that pony, you need to be uber elite at it across the NBA to succeed as a wing?

For me, what is he doing more than Aaron Neismith when you have some potential Saddiq Bey's on the board.

Or rather, what is Kispert doing to separate himself from the likes of Trey Murphy or Chris Duarte?

I don't watch him but still dont get the attraction

Kispert is almost a carbon copy Doug McDermott. I'd take either on the team right now, but I'm not trading up.

Doug McDermott might be a little optimistic. Doug shot the same % from 3 on about the same amount of attempts as Corey while playing in the Big East. He was also the focal point of Creighton's offense and a more complete offensive player. Doug could creat offense for himself in the mid-post and the perimeter. Doug is sixth on the NCAAs all-time scorers list. No offense to Corey, but he couldn't carry Doug's jockstrap in college. Then consider that it took Doug a number of years to find his footing in the NBA.