knicks1248 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TPercy wrote:I’ll take Randle at 26mm 4 years easily. A bloody steal if he replicates last seasons performance which I’m very confident he will.

IDK man, that was one of the worst playoff performances i ever seen, especially after the season he had.

It was like "WHO THE HELL IS THAT GUY" that wasn't the same Randle from the regular season.

I can except a "DEER in HEADLIGHTS" from the rookie IQ (who also had an awful playoff run) but not from randle

It was pretty bad, but he's not the only good player on big money who stinks come playoff time. Not to mention, he's new to these moments considering he just learned how to play this season so post season struggles can be expected. He should use this offseason to continue to develop his slashing game and passing out of double teams so that he'll be more confident in his ability to do these things come playoff time.

Besides, why are we acting like there isn't a bunch of really good players who stink in post season. PG is getting paid 36m per year lmao we good.

Playoffs performances is where you earn Max contracts

His shot selection, holding the ball too long, passing in the air, fancy dribbling through traffic and turning the ball over, brain dead passes that sailed into the crowd or in the hands of a ATL player.

I mean his decision making was down right brutal and Everything that went wrong was from a mental standpoint..

The worst part of it all is he didnt make a single adjustment the next game after having days off to watch film.

He was over confident and either rushed his shots,or waited to long to pass.

This is where you put them on the table. You been shouting for team to not be so conservative and here you are with shrinkage when it gets tough. Its easy in hindisight to call out teams and players from where you sit. Be all finger pointing and yelling at them but when the time to pull out the check book its not easy.
Any player at anytime can get hurt. Its awful for more reasons than just a fans disappointment. Look at you, all shriveled up in the fetal position afraid. You got your CP3 cred but get real, the guy has been a playoff injury machine and it sucks.

Covid bubble and condensed schedule is a problem. The players voted so they can make the money. not all on just the owners on what happened this year. Kawhai managed his minutes but still got hurt.
GS with Klay and Durant totally freak thing derailed their three peat and the legend of Toronto.

Knicks don't owe much. The 108mm extension for Randle is a good deal for him and for us. I hope he takes it. If he wants the big deal, that's for another day. I won't value the man beyond what I can see.

TPercy wrote:
It was pretty bad, but he's not the only good player on big money who stinks come playoff time. Not to mention, he's new to these moments considering he just learned how to play this season so post season struggles can be expected. He should use this offseason to continue to develop his slashing game and passing out of double teams so that he'll be more confident in his ability to do these things come playoff time.

Besides, why are we acting like there isn't a bunch of really good players who stink in post season. PG is getting paid 36m per year lmao we good.

You can come up with a million reasons why Randle didn't perform, some might be true, some might be... not true, however here's the reality of the situation - The Knicks are not paying Julius Randle 30 percent of their salary cap for years and years and years. It's just not happening.

If Randle is willing to leave money on the table THIS YEAR, he can lock in many years to come as an Early Bird free agent signing. If he doesn't, he might be soon headed for a trade, or a sign and trade or just being let go as a street free agent ( yet again for him)

I get phone calls and emails all the time from guys I trained for the Combine who ended up drafted and making it in the league. They all ask me advice because they know their GM, their assistant GM and their agent all have different agendas, rarely is it in their actual best interests. I tell them all the same thing. Take the money and run. The idea of "leaving money on the table DOWN THE ROAD" is banking on something that's not promised to you. When a player leaves money on the table, it only actually happens TODAY. Not in the past, not in the future, but TODAY.

If Phil Jackson or Zeke were still in charge, well I could bank on a stupid decision being made. However Leon Rose and Brock Aller are going to think long and hard before giving Randle that much of the Knicks cap.

Here's another thing I tell rookies - CONTEXT ONLY MATTERS THE DAY YOU RETIRE

No one cares why you didn't produce. Lots of you guys here, not all but far too many, go ride the excuse train for certain players. Doesn't matter why. Your house caught on fire? Fuck you, pay me. Your wife cheated on you and left? Fuck you, pay me. You found out you have some ****ed up disease? Fuck you, pay me. You have mental health problems? Fuck you, pay me. You had bad luck with injuries? Fuck you, pay me.

It works BOTH WAYS. Owners are greedy and ruthless. But Dolan still had to cut a check for Eddy Curry, who basically gave up and decided to stop giving a **** and hit the bottle harder than the court. Any mercy for Dolan? He might be a ****ty owner and an ******* with a lousy band, but Eddy Curry's contract ****ed him over. It's one thing if Curry just sucked, but Curry didn't even give a ****. So this notion the game is only ruthless against the players is bull****.

Randle wanted big dollars? Should have played his first Knicks season like this past one. Should have played those five playoff games like he did most of this past year. He made great strides this year, taking nothing from him, he carried this team into the playoffs. But you can acknowledge a players contributions while ALSO recognizing his limitations in terms of long term value.

If Randle wanted that money bad enough, he should have played in a way, from his first day as a Knick, to ensure there would be no doubt.

But it's not fair! Who the **** said any of this was supposed to be fair. Part of being a professional means you own all your ****. It means if Randle won't get a max, that he has to say to himself that he didn't play in a way that removed all doubt. And that it's on him. Blame is why losing teams stay losing teams. It's why losing players stay losing players.

Many of you made it in your careers. Probably some really ****ed up days involved. Probably wasn't always fair. What could you do? Keep blaming people, even if you had a point? Or do you just make the most out of what you can and control what you can control? This is no different.

"Blame that is justified is just a talking point that means nothing in pursuit of an actual goal."

TripleThreat wrote:

TPercy wrote:
It was pretty bad, but he's not the only good player on big money who stinks come playoff time. Not to mention, he's new to these moments considering he just learned how to play this season so post season struggles can be expected. He should use this offseason to continue to develop his slashing game and passing out of double teams so that he'll be more confident in his ability to do these things come playoff time.

Besides, why are we acting like there isn't a bunch of really good players who stink in post season. PG is getting paid 36m per year lmao we good.

You can come up with a million reasons why Randle didn't perform, some might be true, some might be... not true, however here's the reality of the situation - The Knicks are not paying Julius Randle 30 percent of their salary cap for years and years and years. It's just not happening.

If Randle is willing to leave money on the table THIS YEAR, he can lock in many years to come as an Early Bird free agent signing. If he doesn't, he might be soon headed for a trade, or a sign and trade or just being let go as a street free agent ( yet again for him)

I get phone calls and emails all the time from guys I trained for the Combine who ended up drafted and making it in the league. They all ask me advice because they know their GM, their assistant GM and their agent all have different agendas, rarely is it in their actual best interests. I tell them all the same thing. Take the money and run. The idea of "leaving money on the table DOWN THE ROAD" is banking on something that's not promised to you. When a player leaves money on the table, it only actually happens TODAY. Not in the past, not in the future, but TODAY.

If Phil Jackson or Zeke were still in charge, well I could bank on a stupid decision being made. However Leon Rose and Brock Aller are going to think long and hard before giving Randle that much of the Knicks cap.

Here's another thing I tell rookies - CONTEXT ONLY MATTERS THE DAY YOU RETIRE

No one cares why you didn't produce. Lots of you guys here, not all but far too many, go ride the excuse train for certain players. Doesn't matter why. Your house caught on fire? Fuck you, pay me. Your wife cheated on you and left? Fuck you, pay me. You found out you have some ****ed up disease? Fuck you, pay me. You have mental health problems? Fuck you, pay me. You had bad luck with injuries? Fuck you, pay me.

It works BOTH WAYS. Owners are greedy and ruthless. But Dolan still had to cut a check for Eddy Curry, who basically gave up and decided to stop giving a **** and hit the bottle harder than the court. Any mercy for Dolan? He might be a ****ty owner and an ******* with a lousy band, but Eddy Curry's contract ****ed him over. It's one thing if Curry just sucked, but Curry didn't even give a ****. So this notion the game is only ruthless against the players is bull****.

Randle wanted big dollars? Should have played his first Knicks season like this past one. Should have played those five playoff games like he did most of this past year. He made great strides this year, taking nothing from him, he carried this team into the playoffs. But you can acknowledge a players contributions while ALSO recognizing his limitations in terms of long term value.

If Randle wanted that money bad enough, he should have played in a way, from his first day as a Knick, to ensure there would be no doubt.

But it's not fair! Who the **** said any of this was supposed to be fair. Part of being a professional means you own all your ****. It means if Randle won't get a max, that he has to say to himself that he didn't play in a way that removed all doubt. And that it's on him. Blame is why losing teams stay losing teams. It's why losing players stay losing players.

Many of you made it in your careers. Probably some really ****ed up days involved. Probably wasn't always fair. What could you do? Keep blaming people, even if you had a point? Or do you just make the most out of what you can and control what you can control? This is no different.

"Blame that is justified is just a talking point that means nothing in pursuit of an actual goal."

I agree that his bad performance is his fault, but as I said before, Randle at 26m is a good deal that works for both parties.

TripleThreat wrote:

TPercy wrote:
It was pretty bad, but he's not the only good player on big money who stinks come playoff time. Not to mention, he's new to these moments considering he just learned how to play this season so post season struggles can be expected. He should use this offseason to continue to develop his slashing game and passing out of double teams so that he'll be more confident in his ability to do these things come playoff time.

Besides, why are we acting like there isn't a bunch of really good players who stink in post season. PG is getting paid 36m per year lmao we good.

You can come up with a million reasons why Randle didn't perform, some might be true, some might be... not true, however here's the reality of the situation - The Knicks are not paying Julius Randle 30 percent of their salary cap for years and years and years. It's just not happening.

If Randle is willing to leave money on the table THIS YEAR, he can lock in many years to come as an Early Bird free agent signing. If he doesn't, he might be soon headed for a trade, or a sign and trade or just being let go as a street free agent ( yet again for him)

I get phone calls and emails all the time from guys I trained for the Combine who ended up drafted and making it in the league. They all ask me advice because they know their GM, their assistant GM and their agent all have different agendas, rarely is it in their actual best interests. I tell them all the same thing. Take the money and run. The idea of "leaving money on the table DOWN THE ROAD" is banking on something that's not promised to you. When a player leaves money on the table, it only actually happens TODAY. Not in the past, not in the future, but TODAY.

If Phil Jackson or Zeke were still in charge, well I could bank on a stupid decision being made. However Leon Rose and Brock Aller are going to think long and hard before giving Randle that much of the Knicks cap.

Here's another thing I tell rookies - CONTEXT ONLY MATTERS THE DAY YOU RETIRE

No one cares why you didn't produce. Lots of you guys here, not all but far too many, go ride the excuse train for certain players. Doesn't matter why. Your house caught on fire? Fuck you, pay me. Your wife cheated on you and left? Fuck you, pay me. You found out you have some ****ed up disease? Fuck you, pay me. You have mental health problems? Fuck you, pay me. You had bad luck with injuries? Fuck you, pay me.

It works BOTH WAYS. Owners are greedy and ruthless. But Dolan still had to cut a check for Eddy Curry, who basically gave up and decided to stop giving a **** and hit the bottle harder than the court. Any mercy for Dolan? He might be a ****ty owner and an ******* with a lousy band, but Eddy Curry's contract ****ed him over. It's one thing if Curry just sucked, but Curry didn't even give a ****. So this notion the game is only ruthless against the players is bull****.

Randle wanted big dollars? Should have played his first Knicks season like this past one. Should have played those five playoff games like he did most of this past year. He made great strides this year, taking nothing from him, he carried this team into the playoffs. But you can acknowledge a players contributions while ALSO recognizing his limitations in terms of long term value.

If Randle wanted that money bad enough, he should have played in a way, from his first day as a Knick, to ensure there would be no doubt.

But it's not fair! Who the **** said any of this was supposed to be fair. Part of being a professional means you own all your ****. It means if Randle won't get a max, that he has to say to himself that he didn't play in a way that removed all doubt. And that it's on him. Blame is why losing teams stay losing teams. It's why losing players stay losing players.

Many of you made it in your careers. Probably some really ****ed up days involved. Probably wasn't always fair. What could you do? Keep blaming people, even if you had a point? Or do you just make the most out of what you can and control what you can control? This is no different.

"Blame that is justified is just a talking point that means nothing in pursuit of an actual goal."

Nice steal on the f-you pay me - with an assist to Goodfellas

I agree on the assessment of evaluating a player's limitations (as well as strengths) in assessing longer term value and worth. However the assessment must also include all the other moving parts that make up a system (in this case the roster, market and cap situation/projections).

As for the rest.....Bravo - great job oversimplifying a situational analysis in a system with a significant number of inputs, variables and potential outcomes. If Professional basketball was an individual sport with a much higher degree of controllable individual impact on positive outcomes, then perhaps the analysis would be more applicable.

knicks1248 wrote:

TPercy wrote:I’ll take Randle at 26mm 4 years easily. A bloody steal if he replicates last seasons performance which I’m very confident he will.

IDK man, that was one of the worst playoff performances i ever seen, especially after the season he had.

It was like "WHO THE HELL IS THAT GUY" that wasn't the same Randle from the regular season.

I can except a "DEER in HEADLIGHTS" from the rookie IQ (who also had an awful playoff run) but not from randle

He looked like a completely different player. He was so frickin bad.