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KnickDanger
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6/20/2021  9:52 PM
Dinwiddie opted out. Coming off ACL tear, poor 3 point shooter - wouldn’t mind him but what’s he looking for and what will he get?
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6/20/2021  10:19 PM
I read an article on Dinwiddie's fit with the knicks, before the big 3 was formed he was averaging 20pts/game. Dinwiddie can play both pg and sg. If the knicks can manage to sign both Lonzo(good facilitator and 3pt shooter) and Dinwiddie(a scoring/driving guard) a potential top 3 scorer for the knicks then it might be an intriguing starting line up.

Mitch, Randle, RJ, Dinwiddie and Lonzo.

Could this line up work?

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6/21/2021  1:09 AM
Jimbo5 wrote:I read an article on Dinwiddie's fit with the knicks, before the big 3 was formed he was averaging 20pts/game. Dinwiddie can play both pg and sg. If the knicks can manage to sign both Lonzo(good facilitator and 3pt shooter) and Dinwiddie(a scoring/driving guard) a potential top 3 scorer for the knicks then it might be an intriguing starting line up.

Mitch, Randle, RJ, Dinwiddie and Lonzo.

Could this line up work?

Yes

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6/21/2021  5:50 AM
KnickDanger wrote:Dinwiddie opted out. Coming off ACL tear, poor 3 point shooter - wouldn’t mind him but what’s he looking for and what will he get?

It's his second ACL tear. Not a fan of his, his stupid internet comments etc

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6/21/2021  11:35 AM
Dinwiddie can want anything his heart desires but what he is offered and what he will take will be completely different. I don't know where the $20M number comes from but it can't be realistic, especially in the multiple years category. Dude just had his second ACL and there is just no way a team would commit $20M over multiple years IMO.

Also, there are only a handful of teams that have outright capspace to sign him, and maybe the Nets will do a sign and trade but we shall see how it shakes out.

I'd guess most teams would want a 1 year show-me deal with options for anything else. Spencer would probably want a team that he could get minutes to show his stuff.

Knicks may be an ideal place for him on a 1 year deal.

Previous injury, interesting stuff here: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/how-spencer-dinwiddie-went-from-nbas-scrap-heap-to-brooklyn-nets-everything/

Teams with cap space: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2942620-nba-teams-best-positioned-for-2021-nba-free-agency

Seems like a bigger, youthier version of Rose?

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6/21/2021  12:33 PM
martin wrote:Dinwiddie can want anything his heart desires but what he is offered and what he will take will be completely different. I don't know where the $20M number comes from but it can't be realistic, especially in the multiple years category. Dude just had his second ACL and there is just no way a team would commit $20M over multiple years IMO.

Also, there are only a handful of teams that have outright capspace to sign him, and maybe the Nets will do a sign and trade but we shall see how it shakes out.

I'd guess most teams would want a 1 year show-me deal with options for anything else. Spencer would probably want a team that he could get minutes to show his stuff.

Knicks may be an ideal place for him on a 1 year deal.

Previous injury, interesting stuff here: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/how-spencer-dinwiddie-went-from-nbas-scrap-heap-to-brooklyn-nets-everything/

Teams with cap space: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2942620-nba-teams-best-positioned-for-2021-nba-free-agency

Seems like a bigger, youthier version of Rose?


Caris Levert, who's about the same age and has similar injury concerns, was extended for about $18M per. Levert is probably using that deal, among others, to get to that $20M figure. Plus, it's a weak FA class and all it takes is one team. $20M is too rich for my blood unless it's a one, two-year deal. I think $15 is about right, so some team might meet in-between at $17M-$18M.
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6/21/2021  1:06 PM
Isn’t this the guy who trolled us constantly

How about some self respect and pass on him

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6/21/2021  1:21 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:Dinwiddie can want anything his heart desires but what he is offered and what he will take will be completely different. I don't know where the $20M number comes from but it can't be realistic, especially in the multiple years category. Dude just had his second ACL and there is just no way a team would commit $20M over multiple years IMO.

Also, there are only a handful of teams that have outright capspace to sign him, and maybe the Nets will do a sign and trade but we shall see how it shakes out.

I'd guess most teams would want a 1 year show-me deal with options for anything else. Spencer would probably want a team that he could get minutes to show his stuff.

Knicks may be an ideal place for him on a 1 year deal.

Previous injury, interesting stuff here: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/how-spencer-dinwiddie-went-from-nbas-scrap-heap-to-brooklyn-nets-everything/

Teams with cap space: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2942620-nba-teams-best-positioned-for-2021-nba-free-agency

Seems like a bigger, youthier version of Rose?


Caris Levert, who's about the same age and has similar injury concerns, was extended for about $18M per. Levert is probably using that deal, among others, to get to that $20M figure. Plus, it's a weak FA class and all it takes is one team. $20M is too rich for my blood unless it's a one, two-year deal. I think $15 is about right, so some team might meet in-between at $17M-$18M.

LeVert was able to come back from the injury and play first round against Philly and averaged like 20 ppg before signing deal. I think he dislocated his ankle and missed 3 months, literally no idea on how that affects a player long term.

Dinwiddie is on his second knee injury and I'd have KP flashbacks if I was any team looking to sign this guy to anything but a 1+1 deal with a big team out.

LeVert's deal started at $16M. Still no idea where $20M comes from outside of a poster saying it.

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6/21/2021  2:16 PM
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:Dinwiddie can want anything his heart desires but what he is offered and what he will take will be completely different. I don't know where the $20M number comes from but it can't be realistic, especially in the multiple years category. Dude just had his second ACL and there is just no way a team would commit $20M over multiple years IMO.

Also, there are only a handful of teams that have outright capspace to sign him, and maybe the Nets will do a sign and trade but we shall see how it shakes out.

I'd guess most teams would want a 1 year show-me deal with options for anything else. Spencer would probably want a team that he could get minutes to show his stuff.

Knicks may be an ideal place for him on a 1 year deal.

Previous injury, interesting stuff here: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/how-spencer-dinwiddie-went-from-nbas-scrap-heap-to-brooklyn-nets-everything/

Teams with cap space: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2942620-nba-teams-best-positioned-for-2021-nba-free-agency

Seems like a bigger, youthier version of Rose?


Caris Levert, who's about the same age and has similar injury concerns, was extended for about $18M per. Levert is probably using that deal, among others, to get to that $20M figure. Plus, it's a weak FA class and all it takes is one team. $20M is too rich for my blood unless it's a one, two-year deal. I think $15 is about right, so some team might meet in-between at $17M-$18M.

LeVert was able to come back from the injury and play first round against Philly and averaged like 20 ppg before signing deal. I think he dislocated his ankle and missed 3 months, literally no idea on how that affects a player long term.

Dinwiddie is on his second knee injury and I'd have KP flashbacks if I was any team looking to sign this guy to anything but a 1+1 deal with a big team out.

LeVert's deal started at $16M. Still no idea where $20M comes from outside of a poster saying it.


Starts at $16M, but averages out to about $18M. The ankle injury is one of numerous injuries he's averages about 35 games a season for his career.
That's less than Dinwiddie. I'd be worried about signing Dinwiddie long-term, but there's precedent.
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6/21/2021  3:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/21/2021  3:45 PM
Always a worry about a guy coming off injury. Its why they have physicals and get the charts on them. Have to proximate injury and future potential and......Insurance that won't cover some preexisting.
some teams will worry about the money. Not Dolan. But its been a while since we been doing that. AMare was the last bad type deal. Noah was just cooked and we did not understand that.
18mm is Timmy Hardaway money. That was then, this is now.
Is Dinwiddie a risk? Sure, they all are. This a Thibs kind of kid?
Sign and trade? Depends on the price. We don't need to do a deal with Nets and for Spencer it might be important where he goes and the roster he goes to.
That he trolled us? LOL, man that's just part of the fun! I dig the spunk and the ribbing!
He wants to be paid in Bit Coin? Nothing saying he can't do that on his own. I admit, it was annoying!
Maybe Nets resign him and rehab him with a friendly trade down the road?
Naturally I want proven healthy guys like anyone else. one has to expect a break in period before he returns fully. He can likely play now but smartly held him out.

Tell me what Johnny Bryants take is on Dinwiddie and I'll go with that!

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6/21/2021  5:40 PM
Nalod wrote:Always a worry about a guy coming off injury. Its why they have physicals and get the charts on them. Have to proximate injury and future potential and......Insurance that won't cover some preexisting.
some teams will worry about the money. Not Dolan. But its been a while since we been doing that. AMare was the last bad type deal. Noah was just cooked and we did not understand that.
18mm is Timmy Hardaway money. That was then, this is now.
Is Dinwiddie a risk? Sure, they all are. This a Thibs kind of kid?
Sign and trade? Depends on the price. We don't need to do a deal with Nets and for Spencer it might be important where he goes and the roster he goes to.
That he trolled us? LOL, man that's just part of the fun! I dig the spunk and the ribbing!
He wants to be paid in Bit Coin? Nothing saying he can't do that on his own. I admit, it was annoying!
Maybe Nets resign him and rehab him with a friendly trade down the road?
Naturally I want proven healthy guys like anyone else. one has to expect a break in period before he returns fully. He can likely play now but smartly held him out.

Tell me what Johnny Bryants take is on Dinwiddie and I'll go with that!


Cryptos? Sounds like he and Cuban would be a match made in heaven.
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6/21/2021  9:22 PM
Dinwiddie whining about being paid was off. Did he think he would not have to pay taxes? His agent? Or Union?
He can take his dollar and buy all the crypto he wants.
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6/22/2021  2:25 AM
martin wrote:Dinwiddie can want anything his heart desires but what he is offered and what he will take will be completely different. I don't know where the $20M number comes from but it can't be realistic, especially in the multiple years category. Dude just had his second ACL and there is just no way a team would commit $20M over multiple years IMO.

Also, there are only a handful of teams that have outright capspace to sign him, and maybe the Nets will do a sign and trade but we shall see how it shakes out.

I'd guess most teams would want a 1 year show-me deal with options for anything else. Spencer would probably want a team that he could get minutes to show his stuff.

Knicks may be an ideal place for him on a 1 year deal.

Previous injury, interesting stuff here: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/how-spencer-dinwiddie-went-from-nbas-scrap-heap-to-brooklyn-nets-everything/

Teams with cap space: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2942620-nba-teams-best-positioned-for-2021-nba-free-agency

Seems like a bigger, youthier version of Rose?

Omer Asik got an $80 million contract a few years ago. Dinwiddie is getting paid

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6/22/2021  11:29 AM
Philc1 wrote:
martin wrote:Dinwiddie can want anything his heart desires but what he is offered and what he will take will be completely different. I don't know where the $20M number comes from but it can't be realistic, especially in the multiple years category. Dude just had his second ACL and there is just no way a team would commit $20M over multiple years IMO.

Also, there are only a handful of teams that have outright capspace to sign him, and maybe the Nets will do a sign and trade but we shall see how it shakes out.

I'd guess most teams would want a 1 year show-me deal with options for anything else. Spencer would probably want a team that he could get minutes to show his stuff.

Knicks may be an ideal place for him on a 1 year deal.

Previous injury, interesting stuff here: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/how-spencer-dinwiddie-went-from-nbas-scrap-heap-to-brooklyn-nets-everything/

Teams with cap space: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2942620-nba-teams-best-positioned-for-2021-nba-free-agency

Seems like a bigger, youthier version of Rose?

Omer Asik got an $80 million contract a few years ago. Dinwiddie is getting paid

That's literally the dumbest comparison I've ever heard of. You just randomly misstated someone else getting a contract and think it applies to any situation?

What gives man? Why do you keep doing this?

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6/22/2021  12:43 PM
what is he good at? He had half a good year on a 500ish team where he got to dominate the ball and call his own number. What does Dinwiddie do Burks doesnt?
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6/22/2021  1:29 PM
martin wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
martin wrote:Dinwiddie can want anything his heart desires but what he is offered and what he will take will be completely different. I don't know where the $20M number comes from but it can't be realistic, especially in the multiple years category. Dude just had his second ACL and there is just no way a team would commit $20M over multiple years IMO.

Also, there are only a handful of teams that have outright capspace to sign him, and maybe the Nets will do a sign and trade but we shall see how it shakes out.

I'd guess most teams would want a 1 year show-me deal with options for anything else. Spencer would probably want a team that he could get minutes to show his stuff.

Knicks may be an ideal place for him on a 1 year deal.

Previous injury, interesting stuff here: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/how-spencer-dinwiddie-went-from-nbas-scrap-heap-to-brooklyn-nets-everything/

Teams with cap space: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2942620-nba-teams-best-positioned-for-2021-nba-free-agency

Seems like a bigger, youthier version of Rose?

Omer Asik got an $80 million contract a few years ago. Dinwiddie is getting paid

That's literally the dumbest comparison I've ever heard of. You just randomly misstated someone else getting a contract and think it applies to any situation?

What gives man? Why do you keep doing this?

So what is Dinwiddie getting? MLE?

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6/22/2021  4:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/22/2021  4:06 PM
From B/R

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2944748-5-nba-free-agents-with-the-most-risk-attached

Entering free agency remains a non-decision for Spencer Dinwiddie, even after he missed pretty much the entire season with a partially torn right ACL. His $12.3 million player is miles below market value for a starting-caliber point guard and, by Eastern Conference standards, fringe All-Star.

Dinwiddie's raw efficiency can be a turnoff. He has shot lower than 34 percent from deep in each of the past four years and hit just 27.7 percent of his pull-up treys last season. That certainly matters, though it isn't nearly as concerning if he keeps finding the net on 37-plus percent of his spot-up threebies.

Regardless, the direct, relentless pressure he puts on the basket is more paramount. He is not the most efficient finisher, but the wrath he wreaks upon the defense spurs trips to the line and higher-quality opportunities for those around him. And while he works with some changes in pace, his attacks are more streamlined than spectacle. He isn't trying to dance with the ball and prowl for broken ankles; he's unsettling the larger defensive picture, rather than just his man, and acting on it.

Translation: Some team will fork over a longer-term deal at a higher price point to nab his services—especially this summer, when the market is desperate for fringe, let alone actual, star power. What version of Dinwiddie that suitor will get verges on unknowable.

Torn ACLs are not the career-enders they once were, but he's now undergone surgery on both, dating back to his time at the University of Colorado. Even for someone whose manipulation of defenses isn't predicated upon preternatural explosion and who only just turned 28 in April, his injury history looms as uncomfortable if he's receiving closer to $20 million than $15 million per year.

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6/22/2021  5:37 PM
fishmike wrote:what is he good at? He had half a good year on a 500ish team where he got to dominate the ball and call his own number. What does Dinwiddie do Burks doesnt?

distribute, make shots, defend, lead

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6/22/2021  6:47 PM
martin wrote:
Seems like a bigger, youthier version of Rose?

Seems like a version of Chris Childs, except for an ACL tear instead of a booze addiction.

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6/23/2021  1:58 AM
I don't think Payton is the starter next season and I am not sure if the organization is comfortable going forward with Rose in that spot. So we are looking for a guy who can start and hopefully finish next to Rose. Easiest way to generate points for the Knicks off of lobs to Mitchell Robinson.

Dinwiddie checks all those boxes. Two candidates still showing their stuff in the playoffs are Cam Payne and Reggie Jackson. Kyle Lowry and Mike Conley are the big fish in the PG pond with Lonzo pretty close. Even with all those options Dinwiddie seems the best fit, if he can play at pre injury form. If not, it's anyone's guess.

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