knicks1248 wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:I think this team should really go after Norman Powell a perfect 3 and D who can also put the ball on the floor. Getting him in his prime years . You could resign burks or bullock to back him up.

We need a pass first pg that makes life easier for our starters . Who can that PG be?

My "realistic" list has Powell and Ball in it. I mean, they are attainable if we open the wallet. Not necessarily a trade, although maybe with Ball.

You guys are not concerned that BALL did not make they Pelicans a better team, and Powell is a 6'3" SF who didn't make The raptors much better.

With SF like Simmons, Tatum, Gannis, Butler, KD, all of the hawks SF's we need to getter bigger.

Issue with Pels like many teams are the roster constructions. Tatum and Butler did not carry any further than Bullock this season by your standard of “what have you done today that I can plug in tommorow”?

The issue with Pels is what to do with Zion to max his talent and melt it with Ingram
Its not a question of anyone around here being concerned but does our coaching and FO think he can add to what we have.

So the discussion is not about what we think, but about ones opinion. NObody here has any kind of influence.
We don’t know Pels game plan but If I valued him I’d look at Nola’s roster and draft picks and perhaps create a scenario which is Brock Allers job. Then I consider do I value Ball today over what I can pick in teh lower half of the draft. Now we all an assume Nola has picks, also does not want to match a high salary and lose him for nothing. But at the same time if we value Ball, we don’t want to pay a high salary either for him.
Its in our best interest to find a number he’d accept, then offer compensation to Nola and we get what we want based on our valuation. Not what others think. If the price goes high **** it. Move on.
some of you think he might be worth a 25th pick and Nola walks away and we get him for 18mm-20mil. To high? Then pass. Leon and CO. Will figure his value. They do that good, it was their job previously.
If another team wants to get stupid, good for Ball.

Question is doe Ball enhance OBI more than Randle? Who enhances Randle BTW? DRose and Randle don’t seem together much work except in iso. Rose pushes the ball. Randle slows it down. WE don’t see Randle and rose play a 2 man game.

After sleeping on it I love Randle but if there’s was a vision beyond I’m ok with that. If he fits in it thats cool. Few teams will offer him what we gave him this season. On a better team he is might not be a perennial Allstar. Fewer touches. They can offer him better shooters around him and that might open things up for him in the paint. We keep him we need to two that. Add that to what ATL did to tie him down. Took away Barrets corner. Pushed IQ out further, and let Burkes and Bullock be our saviors. They are not that good. They were for a lot of the season.

Do we take Ball here and yet let Randle be the PF and slow it down? If so, don’t bring him here.

Moonangie wrote:I think this round 1 performance demonstrated that neither Julius nor RJ are #1 scorers. They are both #2s. Until we get that primary scorer (e.g., Beal type) we will struggle to win first round series, let alone advance to ECF. Should we take care of getting our #1 first, and then find the complementary pieces?

I agree but it was for both of them, their first playoff performance.
I think they will both improve from it.

But the ideal scenario, we needed better guard play. RJ has to become a more proficient and reliable scorer for us to excel in the playoffs.

He’s only 20, so this experience was needed more for him than Randle IMO.
He needs to become a better midrange scorer, because Capella or any big man in the playoffs is not going to allow guards to penetrate. And he missed multiple wide open 3’s which in the playoffs can’t happen.

RJ -- i can still imagine a lot of upside. Guys is still a kid. has his head screwed on straight. WOuld like to see him drive more, draw fouls, e.g., 6-8 FTs a game.

trash

But of course Thibs doesn’t like rookies and Knicks fans like chasing over the hill stars. Also the front office needs to make a big splash for headlines and to show their boss look what we did.

Play the numbers game Knicks and build cohesiveness. Wait until the right star is available then pounce

The only draft move I like is moving up for Davion mitchel or suggs. (Not possible for suggs)

If not just draft best player available

No I’m not that excited about Jared butler or bouknight or Springer. Not worth trading up for.

Davion mitchel would put his face right into trae young. Both same height and speed. Great matchup

Welpee wrote:

fishmike wrote:Cameron Payne 1-8 last night. Dude is surrounded by CP3, Booker, Ayton, Bridges and he shoots 1-8

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And how about that Andre Drummond a lot of people here wanted us to sign. He got a DNP in an elimination game with AD not able to play? If the Lakers wanted him he MUST be a guy we need to sign.

I would love for those folks to please come out of hiding.

Welpee wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:I think this team should really go after Norman Powell a perfect 3 and D who can also put the ball on the floor. Getting him in his prime years . You could resign burks or bullock to back him up.

We need a pass first pg that makes life easier for our starters . Who can that PG be?

My "realistic" list has Powell and Ball in it. I mean, they are attainable if we open the wallet. Not necessarily a trade, although maybe with Ball.

You guys are not concerned that BALL did not make they Pelicans a better team, and Powell is a 6'3" SF who didn't make The raptors much better.

With SF like Simmons, Tatum, Gannis, Butler, KD, all of the hawks SF's we need to getter bigger.

The deal with Ball is he was pretty much played out of position. Van Gundy kinda turned Zion into a point forward and took the ball out of Lonzo's hands. If he comes here and is given the keys to running the team, will it have a major impact? That's the question.

I really want Ball .. Only if we trade Randle & Barrett in the offseason.
Your not taking the ball out of Randle hands after the awards he receive this season.
The Knicks and Pelicans had a similar team having Randle & Zion always running the point the majority of the game. Ingram & Barrett bad decision-making and poor passing are the same.
Having Adams at the center had me believing at the start of the season the Pelicans are a better team than the Knicks plus will have a .500 season
However, Thibs showed me the Pelicans dont play team defense, and our bench players have a better punch on offense/defense than the Pelicans.

knicks1248 wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:I think this team should really go after Norman Powell a perfect 3 and D who can also put the ball on the floor. Getting him in his prime years . You could resign burks or bullock to back him up.

We need a pass first pg that makes life easier for our starters . Who can that PG be?

My "realistic" list has Powell and Ball in it. I mean, they are attainable if we open the wallet. Not necessarily a trade, although maybe with Ball.

You guys are not concerned that BALL did not make they Pelicans a better team, and Powell is a 6'3" SF who didn't make The raptors much better.

With SF like Simmons, Tatum, Gannis, Butler, KD, all of the hawks SF's we need to getter bigger.

I agree Powell makes zero sense we need a real sized SF. More size, not less.

Philc1 wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

Welpee wrote:

fishmike wrote:you need another star.

Knicks need all star caliber player(s) who can impose their will on the opposition.

Leon is targeting super star players.

I think we all know we need another star. The issue is how do you obtain one and what you have to give up to make it happen.
I don't think the goal is to build a championship team by next season. For a change, we need to start building the roster intelligently for the long term.

I don't think there's a worthy star out there THIS SUMMER to be added without gutting the team. I don't mind rolling with a similar roster for another year. keep our powder dry for trades when the timing is advantageous.

There is one prime target. Lonzo

Welpee wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

Welpee wrote:

fishmike wrote:you need another star.

Knicks need all star caliber player(s) who can impose their will on the opposition.

Leon is targeting super star players.

I think we all know we need another star. The issue is how do you obtain one and what you have to give up to make it happen.
I don't think the goal is to build a championship team by next season. For a change, we need to start building the roster intelligently for the long term.

I don't think there's a worthy star out there THIS SUMMER to be added without gutting the team. I don't mind rolling with a similar roster for another year. keep our powder dry for trades when the timing is advantageous.

There is one prime target. Lonzo

idk, he's better than what we have but is he the long term answer to our problem? Plus how much do we need to invest in him? Tough decision if you ask me.

He’s the best pg available this offseason and would actually like to be a Knick. Rose has to at least try