knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:All of the positive momentum is not lost. It’s time to take the next step though

1. Trade Robinson, 19 and 32 to Indiana for Myles Turner. Indiana needs to shake things up and the Knicks can get a shot blocking, floor spacing center age 25.

2. Draft Chris Duarte or Aaron Henry at 21. An nba ready 2-way wing.

3. Sign Demar DeRozan. He’s a big wing who can take the pressure off of Randle and should age well given his style of play.

4. Bring back Rose with remaining cap space and use bird rights to sign Bullock for a mid level deal.

5. Bring Gibson back on a 1 year deal, another cheap big, and a cheap guard for depth like Ish Smith.

6. Start Quickley as a floor spacer at PG

Starters: Quickley, Barrett, DeRozan, Randle, Turner

Bench Rotation: Rose, Vildoza, Bullock, Toppin, Gibson

Depth: Ish Smith, Duarte, Pinson, Pelle, minimum big.

Basically surrounding Randle and DeRozan with shooting and still having a dangerous bench. This series has exposed what the Knicks need to fix, while adding valuable experience for Randle, Barrett, Quickley as the guys we will continue to build around.

You really think IQ can run a team just because he can shoot deep 3's, and runners, is that all the qualifications you need?

It’s not about “running” the team. DeRozan and Randle become the offensive playmakers in this scenario. And again it’s only one scenario. But if you sign DeRozan than Quickley at PG makes sense.

Having randle as point FWD does't always work, as you can see in these playoffs

Yeah it’s been looking pretty awful

Sign Rose to a one year big deal to take up cap space, sign Taj to a decent deal on one year too. Make Rose a starter

let Burks, and Bullock walk

S&T Noel and the Mavs 2023 (top 10 protected) draft pick for Marcus Smart.

draft Jaden Springer, and Trey Murphy. Guys who could play should be the goal. Grab Bassey with the second

Dumpster Dive. Use some future seconds and grab Josh Jackson from Detroit because he showed a little spark this season and still has upside. See if Malik Monk is available for the Hornets who might sign and trade him for some second. Grab Dieng on a one year contract

Move RJ to SG, and play him more alongside the bench. On the low if you can groom him as a sixth man who plays with the starting lineup..... the sky’s the limit.

lesson Randle’s minutes and increase Obi’s more

Hire a CAA client/assistant coach to come in and redo the offense with Thibs

Save at least 35 Mil in cap space for Zach or Beal in 2022 above all else.

Knicks 2021
Rose / Smart / Springer / Luca
RJ / Quickley / Monk
Murphy / Jackson
Randle / Obi / Taj
Mitch / Dieng / Bassey

2022

Smart / Springer / Rose
Lavine / Quickley / Monk
RJ / Murphy / Jackson
Randle / Obi / Taj
Mitch / Dieng / Bassey /

Knicks have depth and can play the “hot hand”

Funny side note if you read the 2022 names going left to right the PG’s last name sounds like a album tittle and all the other row sound like the names of Jazz players in a quartet.

He is getting blocked way to much going to the rim against length.

xblvdels3 wrote:RJ did an amazing job improving year one to year two. He needs to go to work this summer with his off hand and learn to just pull up 12 feet away and nail that **** consistently. Defense should not know whether you will go to the rim or just pull up. Keeps Them honest

He is getting blocked way to much going to the rim against length.

We need a PG. that’s what RJ needs

xblvdels3 wrote:Atleast we are not confused about what we need

Elite wing

Pg who is a headache to opposition

Yup those are the pieces. Everything else is fine for now. I'd like to see the team target one of these players during the draft using picks. Examples would be picks and Toppin for TJ Warren or Brogdon. Similar to suggesting Turner earlier in this thread. Other options are Jalen Brunson or Marcus Smart in terms of what picks might be able to get us.

In free agency the wing market is thinner, it's basically DeRozan and Powell for real, realistic upgrades. For PGs, it's strong. Even if Conley and C Paul don't hit the market, you still have Lowry, Ball, Schroder, Graham, and Dinwiddie. I'm a fan of Lowry, Ball, and Graham in particular, especially if we add a dynamic wing. These 3 can play on or off the ball and offer high volume 3pt shooting and quality defense at their position. An all-in summer would be signing DeRozan, and either Lowry, Ball, or Graham as a floor-spacing PG. Basically putting all the eggs in the 2021-2022 basket with internal development. A moderate upgrade would be upgrading PG and running everything back, but the ceiling probably isn't higher than a 1st round exit, or maybe a slightly more competitive series. A middle ground would be dealing a pick or two for a player and then signing 1 significant upgrade in free agency. An example is Toppin and pick 19 for TJ Warren. Then signing Lowry or Ball. Draft Isaiah Jackson at 21.

C Robinson F Randle F Warren G Barrett G Lowry
Bench: C Jackson F/C Gibson G/F Bullock G Quickley G Rose G Vildoza F Knox, Pick 32, etc

There's just so many scenarios that could play out in late july-early aug. It will be really interesting to see...

Knixkik wrote:

wargames wrote:Pick up Randle’s team option and see if he looks like he can be a second option. Be open to trading him if anything decent comes up.

Sign Rose to a one year big deal to take up cap space, sign Taj to a decent deal on one year too. Make Rose a starter

let Burks, and Bullock walk

S&T Noel and the Mavs 2023 (top 10 protected) draft pick for Marcus Smart.

draft Jaden Springer, and Trey Murphy. Guys who could play should be the goal. Grab Bassey with the second

Dumpster Dive. Use some future seconds and grab Josh Jackson from Detroit because he showed a little spark this season and still has upside. See if Malik Monk is available for the Hornets who might sign and trade him for some second. Grab Dieng on a one year contract

Move RJ to SG, and play him more alongside the bench. On the low if you can groom him as a sixth man who plays with the starting lineup..... the sky’s the limit.

lesson Randle’s minutes and increase Obi’s more

Hire a CAA client/assistant coach to come in and redo the offense with Thibs

Save at least 35 Mil in cap space for Zach or Beal in 2022 above all else.

Knicks 2021
Rose / Smart / Springer / Luca
RJ / Quickley / Monk
Murphy / Jackson
Randle / Obi / Taj
Mitch / Dieng / Bassey

2022

Smart / Springer / Rose
Lavine / Quickley / Monk
RJ / Murphy / Jackson
Randle / Obi / Taj
Mitch / Dieng / Bassey /

Knicks have depth and can play the “hot hand”

Funny side note if you read the 2022 names going left to right the PG’s last name sounds like a album tittle and all the other row sound like the names of Jazz players in a quartet.

Realistically though you won't have a guy like Murphy as a starter. For that they will just bring back Bullock to start. But Murphy is a solid option in the draft to have on the roster.

You might be right about Murphy. However, if Bullock wants the non taxpayer MLE $9.3 Million a year the Knicks let him walk. That’s the price where his limitations make him a bad contract. If anything they could take a 1 year flyer on Otto Porter or try to trade for someone who would be cheap and expiring.

Knixkik wrote:

wargames wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

wargames wrote:Pick up Randle’s team option and see if he looks like he can be a second option. Be open to trading him if anything decent comes up.

Sign Rose to a one year big deal to take up cap space, sign Taj to a decent deal on one year too. Make Rose a starter

let Burks, and Bullock walk

S&T Noel and the Mavs 2023 (top 10 protected) draft pick for Marcus Smart.

draft Jaden Springer, and Trey Murphy. Guys who could play should be the goal. Grab Bassey with the second

Dumpster Dive. Use some future seconds and grab Josh Jackson from Detroit because he showed a little spark this season and still has upside. See if Malik Monk is available for the Hornets who might sign and trade him for some second. Grab Dieng on a one year contract

Move RJ to SG, and play him more alongside the bench. On the low if you can groom him as a sixth man who plays with the starting lineup..... the sky’s the limit.

lesson Randle’s minutes and increase Obi’s more

Hire a CAA client/assistant coach to come in and redo the offense with Thibs

Save at least 35 Mil in cap space for Zach or Beal in 2022 above all else.

Knicks 2021
Rose / Smart / Springer / Luca
RJ / Quickley / Monk
Murphy / Jackson
Randle / Obi / Taj
Mitch / Dieng / Bassey

2022

Smart / Springer / Rose
Lavine / Quickley / Monk
RJ / Murphy / Jackson
Randle / Obi / Taj
Mitch / Dieng / Bassey /

Knicks have depth and can play the “hot hand”

Funny side note if you read the 2022 names going left to right the PG’s last name sounds like a album tittle and all the other row sound like the names of Jazz players in a quartet.

Realistically though you won't have a guy like Murphy as a starter. For that they will just bring back Bullock to start. But Murphy is a solid option in the draft to have on the roster.

You might be right about Murphy. However, if Bullock wants the non taxpayer MLE $9.3 Million a year the Knicks let him walk. That’s the price where his limitations make him a bad contract. If anything they could take a 1 year flyer on Otto Porter or try to trade for someone who would be cheap and expiring.

Porter would be an excellent option on a bloated 1 year contract, coming off of all of his injuries.

Porter isn’t good. I’d rather keep Bullock tbh

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:All of the positive momentum is not lost. It’s time to take the next step though

1. Trade Robinson, 19 and 32 to Indiana for Myles Turner. Indiana needs to shake things up and the Knicks can get a shot blocking, floor spacing center age 25.

2. Draft Chris Duarte or Aaron Henry at 21. An nba ready 2-way wing.

3. Sign Demar DeRozan. He’s a big wing who can take the pressure off of Randle and should age well given his style of play.

4. Bring back Rose with remaining cap space and use bird rights to sign Bullock for a mid level deal.

5. Bring Gibson back on a 1 year deal, another cheap big, and a cheap guard for depth like Ish Smith.

6. Start Quickley as a floor spacer at PG

Starters: Quickley, Barrett, DeRozan, Randle, Turner

Bench Rotation: Rose, Vildoza, Bullock, Toppin, Gibson

Depth: Ish Smith, Duarte, Pinson, Pelle, minimum big.

Basically surrounding Randle and DeRozan with shooting and still having a dangerous bench. This series has exposed what the Knicks need to fix, while adding valuable experience for Randle, Barrett, Quickley as the guys we will continue to build around.

You really think IQ can run a team just because he can shoot deep 3's, and runners, is that all the qualifications you need?

I won't even dive into how much of a non factor he's been in these playoffs (24% fg).

I’ve been high on IQ all year, rookie season, great potential, but he is far from an offensive orchestrator ( as opposed to a facilitator ). Next season give Vildoza the rock...