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6/1/2021  11:07 AM
Philc1 wrote:
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TPercy wrote:Frank stinks. Sooner we accept that our PG rotation aside from Rose is abysmal the better.

Funny, but Thibs doesn't call Payton in to be any kind of defensive stopper at ANY point of ANY game.

Well that’s because Payton couldn’t guard a parking meter


And neither can Rose

I dont believe Rose was even known to be a defensive stopper. Rose best defense is and was his offense. Payton on the other hand, is a two way player, with a long reach. I just think Payton knows he has 1 foot out the door and mentally he's checked out. Rose is still better in a backup roll at this stage of his career....he can just focus on being himself in that 2nd unit, while being a mentor for IQ and Obi on the floor. We still need a starting PG and center.

On a different note, after watching money mitch post some clips on IG....its clear he left a bigger hole than we thought. And that's the Clint capella impact on offense. Easy put backs and alley oops and rebounds. Great hands compared to Noel. And a much taller presence in the paint than Taj Gipson. Stronger than Noel too. Noel is an under sized PF... So maybe mitch is that young center we need. Just need some backups becasue of his injury history. If u have an IG account, check him out. He'd pretty active on there.

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6/1/2021  12:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/1/2021  12:22 PM
TPercy wrote:Frank stinks. Sooner we accept that our PG rotation aside from Rose is abysmal the better.

He has become an absolute defensive savant. Don't judge him to harshly on that last play, he came in cold off the bench and was an inch off of blocking it from behind.

Whenever Frank is on the court his head is in a T100 at the mall swivel. Those spider arms will just envelope Trae buzzing around. Frank will definitely get no respect from the refs and get called on some bs, but at least once Trae will knock off that headband and get called for an offensive. We needed that game 2 line up but since then it's been a struggle.
Quickley and Rose coming off the bench was golden all season but now that Quickley is being asked to be the primary creator, He has been taking worse shots.

The major problem on offense has been Capela clogging up the middle. The other line up change I'd like to see would be Obi start at center. This line up would put the ball in Randles hand coming up the court. In that line up of Randle, Obi, Bullock, RJ, Frank they will have to put Capela somewhere, most likely on a guy in the corner. Just that action alone should be able to generate open 3's off of drives.

On defense it's basically keep away from Capela and smart fouls. Obi is athletic enough that fronting Capela isn't a hopeless cause and Frank forces trae into some turnovers.


Anyway, will never happen.

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6/1/2021  12:59 PM
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TPercy wrote:Frank stinks. Sooner we accept that our PG rotation aside from Rose is abysmal the better.

He has become an absolute defensive savant. Don't judge him to harshly on that last play, he came in cold off the bench and was an inch off of blocking it from behind.

Whenever Frank is on the court his head is in a T100 at the mall swivel. Those spider arms will just envelope Trae buzzing around. Frank will definitely get no respect from the refs and get called on some bs, but at least once Trae will knock off that headband and get called for an offensive. We needed that game 2 line up but since then it's been a struggle.
Quickley and Rose coming off the bench was golden all season but now that Quickley is being asked to be the primary creator, He has been taking worse shots.

The major problem on offense has been Capela clogging up the middle. The other line up change I'd like to see would be Obi start at center. This line up would put the ball in Randles hand coming up the court. In that line up of Randle, Obi, Bullock, RJ, Frank they will have to put Capela somewhere, most likely on a guy in the corner. Just that action alone should be able to generate open 3's off of drives.

On defense it's basically keep away from Capela and smart fouls. Obi is athletic enough that fronting Capela isn't a hopeless cause and Frank forces trae into some turnovers.


Anyway, will never happen.

Not judging him harshly on the last play of game 1. Yes he should have done much better but it goes deeper than that. He’s been in the league for 4 years now and he’s given us f all. There is a player in there somewhere but he was a much bigger project than we anticipated when we drafted him. Best of luck to him after this year but I doubt he’s going to be in the league next year if I’m being honest.

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6/2/2021  9:35 PM
Best perimeter defender sits the entire series against Trae Young
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6/2/2021  9:54 PM
Philc1 wrote:Best perimeter defender sits the entire series against Trae Young

best perimeter defender in Strasbourg

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6/2/2021  9:56 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Best perimeter defender sits the entire series against Trae Young

best perimeter defender in Strasbourg

Yeah watching Reggie Bullock has been great

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6/2/2021  10:04 PM
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Philc1 wrote:Best perimeter defender sits the entire series against Trae Young

best perimeter defender in Strasbourg

Yeah watching Reggie Bullock has been great

frank is not quick enough, or smart enough to guard quick PG's and you know it.

You want thibs to throw it on the wall and see if it sticks when you already know the answer.

Hopefully his Knick run has finally come to an end and we dont have to talk about him anymore

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6/2/2021  10:57 PM
Frank can clean out his locker tonight because he isn't coming back to knicks it over for him here in nyc. I wish him best of luck somewhere else he is good kid and will land on his feet to some team.
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6/2/2021  11:23 PM
TPercy wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:
TPercy wrote:Frank stinks. Sooner we accept that our PG rotation aside from Rose is abysmal the better.

He has become an absolute defensive savant. Don't judge him to harshly on that last play, he came in cold off the bench and was an inch off of blocking it from behind.

Whenever Frank is on the court his head is in a T100 at the mall swivel. Those spider arms will just envelope Trae buzzing around. Frank will definitely get no respect from the refs and get called on some bs, but at least once Trae will knock off that headband and get called for an offensive. We needed that game 2 line up but since then it's been a struggle.
Quickley and Rose coming off the bench was golden all season but now that Quickley is being asked to be the primary creator, He has been taking worse shots.

The major problem on offense has been Capela clogging up the middle. The other line up change I'd like to see would be Obi start at center. This line up would put the ball in Randles hand coming up the court. In that line up of Randle, Obi, Bullock, RJ, Frank they will have to put Capela somewhere, most likely on a guy in the corner. Just that action alone should be able to generate open 3's off of drives.

On defense it's basically keep away from Capela and smart fouls. Obi is athletic enough that fronting Capela isn't a hopeless cause and Frank forces trae into some turnovers.


Anyway, will never happen.

Not judging him harshly on the last play of game 1. Yes he should have done much better but it goes deeper than that. He’s been in the league for 4 years now and he’s given us f all. There is a player in there somewhere but he was a much bigger project than we anticipated when we drafted him. Best of luck to him after this year but I doubt he’s going to be in the league next year if I’m being honest.

Frank has been in a league that takes most PG candidates 5 years to actually become NBA rotation ready. So yeah keep throwing shade.

Thibs is as blind to Frankie as he was to Jimmy Butler. He'll rub his eyes and express surprise.

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6/2/2021  11:24 PM
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Philc1 wrote:
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Philc1 wrote:Best perimeter defender sits the entire series against Trae Young

best perimeter defender in Strasbourg

Yeah watching Reggie Bullock has been great

frank is not quick enough, or smart enough to guard quick PG's and you know it.

You want thibs to throw it on the wall and see if it sticks when you already know the answer.

Hopefully his Knick run has finally come to an end and we dont have to talk about him anymore


“No Frank Policy” were 1248 comes to not talk about Frank.

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6/2/2021  11:25 PM
houston20 wrote:Frank can clean out his locker tonight because he isn't coming back to knicks it over for him here in nyc. I wish him best of luck somewhere else he is good kid and will land on his feet to some team.

I'm actually happy for Frank to move on. He'll eventually land on his feet and star for a team that knows how to use him.

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6/3/2021  12:34 AM
Thibs not playing Frank more was negligence and I am sure he leaves this FA
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6/3/2021  8:56 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/3/2021  8:57 AM
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houston20 wrote:Frank can clean out his locker tonight because he isn't coming back to knicks it over for him here in nyc. I wish him best of luck somewhere else he is good kid and will land on his feet to some team.

I'm actually happy for Frank to move on. He'll eventually land on his feet and star for a team that knows how to use him.

in france..

Dudes has been available for at least the last 20 months, and no one had interest, so why would that change now that he's a FA.

He's barely played the last 18 months, so I have to question his desire to even want to play in the NBA. He never wanted to go to the G league and a 4th yr player accepting a "end of bench role' in a contract yr.. I believe he's made up his mind to go back abroad

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6/3/2021  10:57 AM
knicks1248 wrote:in france..

Dudes has been available for at least the last 20 months, and no one had interest, so why would that change now that he's a FA.

He's barely played the last 18 months, so I have to question his desire to even want to play in the NBA. He never wanted to go to the G league and a 4th yr player accepting a "end of bench role' in a contract yr.. I believe he's made up his mind to go back abroad

He'll probably find an NBA team with plenty of offensive options just looking for a defense specialist on a vet minimum. Where he goes from there will be on him, if he can become a reliable catch and shoot 3&D and build other assets in his offensive game along the way he'll have a decent career in the league, if not he'll be gone next year.

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6/3/2021  11:09 AM
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knicks1248 wrote:in france..

Dudes has been available for at least the last 20 months, and no one had interest, so why would that change now that he's a FA.

He's barely played the last 18 months, so I have to question his desire to even want to play in the NBA. He never wanted to go to the G league and a 4th yr player accepting a "end of bench role' in a contract yr.. I believe he's made up his mind to go back abroad

He'll probably find an NBA team with plenty of offensive options just looking for a defense specialist on a vet minimum. Where he goes from there will be on him, if he can become a reliable catch and shoot 3&D and build other assets in his offensive game along the way he'll have a decent career in the league, if not he'll be gone next year.

...or he can probably go back to France and play for more money, playing fewer games, living back home where he's comfortable.
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6/3/2021  4:12 PM
Welpee wrote:...or he can probably go back to France and play for more money, playing fewer games, living back home where he's comfortable.

He's never getting more money in France than in the NBA, even on a vet minimum. I doubt he'd want to go back, I really believe he wants to make it in the NBA.

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6/3/2021  9:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/3/2021  9:03 PM
gradyandrew wrote:
TPercy wrote:Frank stinks. Sooner we accept that our PG rotation aside from Rose is abysmal the better.

He has become an absolute defensive savant. Don't judge him to harshly on that last play, he came in cold off the bench and was an inch off of blocking it from behind.

Whenever Frank is on the court his head is in a T100 at the mall swivel. Those spider arms will just envelope Trae buzzing around. Frank will definitely get no respect from the refs and get called on some bs, but at least once Trae will knock off that headband and get called for an offensive. We needed that game 2 line up but since then it's been a struggle.
Quickley and Rose coming off the bench was golden all season but now that Quickley is being asked to be the primary creator, He has been taking worse shots.

The major problem on offense has been Capela clogging up the middle. The other line up change I'd like to see would be Obi start at center. This line up would put the ball in Randles hand coming up the court. In that line up of Randle, Obi, Bullock, RJ, Frank they will have to put Capela somewhere, most likely on a guy in the corner. Just that action alone should be able to generate open 3's off of drives.

On defense it's basically keep away from Capela and smart fouls. Obi is athletic enough that fronting Capela isn't a hopeless cause and Frank forces trae into some turnovers.


Anyway, will never happen.


Interesting point about Obi. Our biggest defensive strength was shot blocking galore with Mitch and and Noel. Trae has the floater/ alley oop combo which makes our shot blockers useless on D. On O they just clog the lane allowing Capella to roam and do his thing blocking and intimidating our top guys( Randle, RJ and Rose) We needed Obi to pull him out of the paint and we needed IQ to bring the floater to negate their biggest defensive strength. Sorry for repeating what you said, it's just that is so true and so crystal clear. Damn
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6/3/2021  11:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/3/2021  11:43 PM
wargames wrote:Thibs not playing Frank more was negligence and I am sure he leaves this FA


When you are a young veteran player, you aren't given minutes anymore, you must earn them.

Knox, back then, as a rookie had some ugly moments. But he was a rookie. You have to GIVE rookie players minutes even if they don't earn them because they need some experience to learn how to play in the modern NBA and function at this level of competition/game speed.

Frank N is not a rookie anymore. He's a young veteran. He's no longer in a position to be GIVEN minutes.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/ntilila01.html

He has 211 total games played, 55 of them starts and over 4100+ minutes of experience. He's had four seasons in the league. Yes, to be fair, the pandemic caused some complications for young players, but he was drafted before the pandemic hit. That means he had time during the Delete 8 layoff to work on his skills even more. He's never suffered any major injury so that can't be rooted as a cause for a lack of production.

Frank N wants more minutes? He SHOULD EARN THEM.

A starting job was sitting there for FOUR SEASONS ( more if you factor in the pandemic timeline) for him to just take. It's not like there wasn't opportunity to take a starting job and make it his and play in a way where the Knicks would want him long term and offer him a nice fat extension.

How has this all turned into a "Blame Thibs" moment? Blame Thibs for what? That Frank N didn't do jack **** his entire Knicks career? That's his fault? You know what Frank N could have done to help his cause? Attack the rim every once in a while. Play off the ball with urgency and passion. Be a relentless dog of a player like a Patrick Beverley in terms of just grit and will power and a basic "Ride Or Die" attitude.

No one gives you jack **** in this life nor the NBA. You go out there and take it. And I waited patiently for close to three full seasons before I started truly criticizing Frank N. I gave him a window of opportunity to try to be fair to him in terms of his development.

Frank N leaves? Good. Good luck to him. Here's an empty cardboard box. He can pack his **** and GTFO. This isn't just about his lack of production. Sometimes a player gives you all he has and can't do any better. But this is not the case here. It's a lack of production based on playing like a total ****ing *******. He had some big games against Dallas. Why? Charged up because some people said DSJr should have been drafted ahead of him. Why not play with that kind of chip on his shoulder in every single game then? Watching Frank N hand off the ball and loaf around when he should be digging hard to find an open shot is insulting. Steph Curry is a superstar and a future HOFer. See how hard he works off the ball even now. Even when he had ankle problems. Even when he was a rookie. Curry had plenty of reason to loaf it and no one could say a thing. But he doesn't play like a total ****ing ******* like Frank. Curry knows no one is going to give him jack ****, if he wants success, he will go out and seize it with his own two hands.

Frank N just doesn't want it bad enough. That's not a crime in life. But it's a crime to this team when you put on that beloved Knicks jersey.

Some people here will think if Frank N succeeds with another team, that it's a black check mark against the Knicks franchise. But in order for Frank N to have success with another team, he'll have to actually play with passion and relentless effort. Which would only prove he could have done it with the Knicks but he just didn't give a ****. Every player has excuses as to why they can't do better. I didn't have the right coach. I wasn't in the right system. No one gave me enough of a chance. But everyone has some kind of conflict. No one has a perfect path to success. You make the the most out of what you have in front of you.

But the Knicks just can't develop young players!!!

NO, that's not the truth. The reality is NO FRANCHISE CAN DEVELOP ANYONE WHO DECIDES TO PLAY LIKE A TOTAL LAZY ASSHOLE.

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6/4/2021  4:58 AM
TripleThreat wrote:
wargames wrote:Thibs not playing Frank more was negligence and I am sure he leaves this FA


When you are a young veteran player, you aren't given minutes anymore, you must earn them.

Knox, back then, as a rookie had some ugly moments. But he was a rookie. You have to GIVE rookie players minutes even if they don't earn them because they need some experience to learn how to play in the modern NBA and function at this level of competition/game speed.

Frank N is not a rookie anymore. He's a young veteran. He's no longer in a position to be GIVEN minutes.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/ntilila01.html

He has 211 total games played, 55 of them starts and over 4100+ minutes of experience. He's had four seasons in the league. Yes, to be fair, the pandemic caused some complications for young players, but he was drafted before the pandemic hit. That means he had time during the Delete 8 layoff to work on his skills even more. He's never suffered any major injury so that can't be rooted as a cause for a lack of production.

Frank N wants more minutes? He SHOULD EARN THEM.

A starting job was sitting there for FOUR SEASONS ( more if you factor in the pandemic timeline) for him to just take. It's not like there wasn't opportunity to take a starting job and make it his and play in a way where the Knicks would want him long term and offer him a nice fat extension.

How has this all turned into a "Blame Thibs" moment? Blame Thibs for what? That Frank N didn't do jack **** his entire Knicks career? That's his fault? You know what Frank N could have done to help his cause? Attack the rim every once in a while. Play off the ball with urgency and passion. Be a relentless dog of a player like a Patrick Beverley in terms of just grit and will power and a basic "Ride Or Die" attitude.

No one gives you jack **** in this life nor the NBA. You go out there and take it. And I waited patiently for close to three full seasons before I started truly criticizing Frank N. I gave him a window of opportunity to try to be fair to him in terms of his development.

Frank N leaves? Good. Good luck to him. Here's an empty cardboard box. He can pack his **** and GTFO. This isn't just about his lack of production. Sometimes a player gives you all he has and can't do any better. But this is not the case here. It's a lack of production based on playing like a total ****ing *******. He had some big games against Dallas. Why? Charged up because some people said DSJr should have been drafted ahead of him. Why not play with that kind of chip on his shoulder in every single game then? Watching Frank N hand off the ball and loaf around when he should be digging hard to find an open shot is insulting. Steph Curry is a superstar and a future HOFer. See how hard he works off the ball even now. Even when he had ankle problems. Even when he was a rookie. Curry had plenty of reason to loaf it and no one could say a thing. But he doesn't play like a total ****ing ******* like Frank. Curry knows no one is going to give him jack ****, if he wants success, he will go out and seize it with his own two hands.

Frank N just doesn't want it bad enough. That's not a crime in life. But it's a crime to this team when you put on that beloved Knicks jersey.

Some people here will think if Frank N succeeds with another team, that it's a black check mark against the Knicks franchise. But in order for Frank N to have success with another team, he'll have to actually play with passion and relentless effort. Which would only prove he could have done it with the Knicks but he just didn't give a ****. Every player has excuses as to why they can't do better. I didn't have the right coach. I wasn't in the right system. No one gave me enough of a chance. But everyone has some kind of conflict. No one has a perfect path to success. You make the the most out of what you have in front of you.

But the Knicks just can't develop young players!!!

NO, that's not the truth. The reality is NO FRANCHISE CAN DEVELOP ANYONE WHO DECIDES TO PLAY LIKE A TOTAL LAZY ASSHOLE.

I'll tell you how it's all "blame Thibs" Frank was finally turning the corner and coming on under Miller. The team was playing better too. Then he had worked on his 3 point shot the following off-season. Only to be nearly ignored by Thibs. That's how. Best perimeter defender on the team. Rotting on the bench. Your last statement is just straight up ignorant

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6/6/2021  8:24 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/6/2021  9:48 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Best perimeter defender sits the entire series against Trae Young

best perimeter defender in Strasbourg

Yeah watching Reggie Bullock has been great

frank is not quick enough, or smart enough to guard quick PG's and you know it.

You want thibs to throw it on the wall and see if it sticks when you already know the answer.

Hopefully his Knick run has finally come to an end and we dont have to talk about him anymore

Seriously, I'm so tired of the Frank threads. The guy sucks and it's time to move on. He will be back in Europe soon. The Knicks roster was trash the bulk of his tenure and he didn't earn a role on any team under any coach. So did every coach miss on Frank or maybe is some of this on Frank? I've seen all the excuses for Frank on this board over the years. If we just deployed Frank in this way he would be a superstar. This belief the Knicks should build their roster around a "PG" with no applicable skills for the position is a ****ing joke. You don't design your roster so fringe rotation players find success. It it was up to Frank to take a role on this team and he didn't do it. I see the same stupid threads with Obi (Who has problems with applicable Big Man Skills). At least with Obi it looks like he has the drive to get better. I don't see the fight from Frank.

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