martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote: With Randle and Barrett in the lineup we don’t need a natural playmaker. We just need someone who can get into the teeth of the defense. It’s the same reason Brunson is interesting we don’t need a big assist guy. The offense still runs through Randle. We need a PG who can shoot, get to the basket and defend.

Randle is decent at picking up the slack where the current Knicks PGs don’t perform but he is more of a facilitator than someone who takes full duties to orchestrate and run an offense. Julius barely knows what to do with a double team. And I don’t know why you would include RJ at all; all he is is high usage player who is a willing but not that overly apt a passer.

IMHO the Knicks offense is run thru/via Randle cause there is little in the way of a better option.

IMHO having a PnR PG who is a good penetrator and/or shooter would open up RJ and Randle both and really open the offense to a new level.

Agreed, someone who can get to the rim and shoot. That’s the reason I like sexton and Brunson.

I want someone who can run an offense, defend, run the PnR, and take care of the ball while making it a priority to get easy looks for the guys around him.

Feel like Sexton is a scorer. Only.

Good point. We already have scorers like IQ and RJ. Assuming we do the smart thing and resign Burks count him too

Maybe IQ runs point and Sexton plays the 2?

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote: With Randle and Barrett in the lineup we don’t need a natural playmaker. We just need someone who can get into the teeth of the defense. It’s the same reason Brunson is interesting we don’t need a big assist guy. The offense still runs through Randle. We need a PG who can shoot, get to the basket and defend.

Randle is decent at picking up the slack where the current Knicks PGs don’t perform but he is more of a facilitator than someone who takes full duties to orchestrate and run an offense. Julius barely knows what to do with a double team. And I don’t know why you would include RJ at all; all he is is high usage player who is a willing but not that overly apt a passer.

IMHO the Knicks offense is run thru/via Randle cause there is little in the way of a better option.

IMHO having a PnR PG who is a good penetrator and/or shooter would open up RJ and Randle both and really open the offense to a new level.

Agreed, someone who can get to the rim and shoot. That’s the reason I like sexton and Brunson.

I want someone who can run an offense, defend, run the PnR, and take care of the ball while making it a priority to get easy looks for the guys around him.

Feel like Sexton is a scorer. Only.

Good point. We already have scorers like IQ and RJ. Assuming we do the smart thing and resign Burks count him too

Maybe IQ runs point and Sexton plays the 2?

You get guards who can play both positions to mix and match. Rose, Quickley, Sexton, Burks, Vildoza, etc are all players who can play together based on their versatility.

We definitely need someone who can run an offense. My thought on Sexton was he has major talent and maybe Thibs and Bryant can bring out more to his game than he has shown in Cleveland. No one, especially age 22, should be judged on the player they are in cleveland. He needs to be in a better develop environment, and for the first time the Knicks have the development environment to unlock whatever more is there from a talent like Sexton. And again, i believe a solid alternative is Jalen Brunson, who is a more finished product, but has a well-rounded game who fits perfectly here. Both of these guys are former Leon Rose clients. So do you go with the more upside, less perfect fit, or the perfect fit with less upside?

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:We definitely need someone who can run an offense. My thought on Sexton was he has major talent and maybe Thibs and Bryant can bring out more to his game than he has shown in Cleveland. No one, especially age 22, should be judged on the player they are in cleveland. He needs to be in a better develop environment, and for the first time the Knicks have the development environment to unlock whatever more is there from a talent like Sexton. And again, i believe a solid alternative is Jalen Brunson, who is a more finished product, but has a well-rounded game who fits perfectly here. Both of these guys are former Leon Rose clients. So do you go with the more upside, less perfect fit, or the perfect fit with less upside?

At what point to you just look at a player and say, that's what he is? Is there something to unlock? And then what will a 24ppg player whose low assist to TO ratio demand for his next contract? What is Bryant saying about this kid that would make an argument to nab him and be comfortable with his contract demands (which will also dictate who else is on the team)?

I don't watch Sexton but in 3 years he has cracked the 10 assists per game threshold literally 2 times. He got 10 assists twice over 3 years. By comparison, Payton crossed that line oodles of times.

What are you seeing?

Sexton is extremely talented and only 22 years old. He scores very efficiently. High percentage from 2pt, 3pt, and the free throw line. This isn't a volume scorer. We know Cleveland has to be one of the least player-development friendly places in the league right now. Now if there are legit concerns from a personality standpoint, team integration, defensive concerns, etc, maybe he's not a good fit. But he offers potential. Maybe i am missing something, but i would love to see him outside of cleveland. As for Brunson, i know you like him a lot like i do. He's a safer pick with some potential still, but obviously more of a finished product. But i'm thinking about this more from the perspective of who Rose will go for, not necessary who are the best options.

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:We definitely need someone who can run an offense. My thought on Sexton was he has major talent and maybe Thibs and Bryant can bring out more to his game than he has shown in Cleveland. No one, especially age 22, should be judged on the player they are in cleveland. He needs to be in a better develop environment, and for the first time the Knicks have the development environment to unlock whatever more is there from a talent like Sexton. And again, i believe a solid alternative is Jalen Brunson, who is a more finished product, but has a well-rounded game who fits perfectly here. Both of these guys are former Leon Rose clients. So do you go with the more upside, less perfect fit, or the perfect fit with less upside?

At what point to you just look at a player and say, that's what he is? Is there something to unlock? And then what will a 24ppg player whose low assist to TO ratio demand for his next contract? What is Bryant saying about this kid that would make an argument to nab him and be comfortable with his contract demands (which will also dictate who else is on the team)?

I don't watch Sexton but in 3 years he has cracked the 10 assists per game threshold literally 2 times. He got 10 assists twice over 3 years. By comparison, Payton crossed that line oodles of times.

What are you seeing?

Sexton is extremely talented and only 22 years old. He scores very efficiently. High percentage from 2pt, 3pt, and the free throw line. This isn't a volume scorer. We know Cleveland has to be one of the least player-development friendly places in the league right now. Now if there are legit concerns from a personality standpoint, team integration, defensive concerns, etc, maybe he's not a good fit. But he offers potential. Maybe i am missing something, but i would love to see him outside of cleveland. As for Brunson, i know you like him a lot like i do. He's a safer pick with some potential still, but obviously more of a finished product. But i'm thinking about this more from the perspective of who Rose will go for, not necessary who are the best options.

Feel like we need to get in-line with what scoring efficiently means to each of us.

His 3pt shooting this year and last were 37% and 38%. League average 3pt shooting is 36.7%

For eFG%, for guards he is about in the middle of the pack.

I can't tell what 18FGA on 24 points means but is that efficient or a volume scorer?

That 4.4 to 2.8 assist to TO ratio does not seem good? Payton this year is 3.2 to 1.6 on much lower minutes. 35 min vs 23 min

High usage player at around 30%. Does that mix well with ball movement and RJ/Randle?

He doesn't seem like a defensive player?

Agreed, there are some concerns. My bet is a lot of it is the place he has been for 3 season. He's 22, far from a finished product. He's the type of player who's outcome can be completely dependent on the team he ends up on. He shoots 48% from the field, and gets to the line and makes free throws at a high percentage. I've watched him a good amount and he can flat out score. Maybe this type of player isn't a good fit for this team. Maybe he can be molded with his talent. It's unknown. I do tend to lean more towards someone like Jalen Brunson however, but we will see who Rose can use his networking to influence towards the Knicks. I'm still betting it's one of his former clients.