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5/18/2021  10:55 AM
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WP76 wrote:Have to give Frank some opportunities to use his length defensively against Young. The problem is that N is so spotty (nice way of saying he usually stinks) on the offensive end. Can't be any worse than EP, I guess.

Agreed. Frank would definitely be a good spot defender against Trae. Problem with some thinking he can start over Payton or get a lot of minutes is that he has not shown to be able to stay out of foul trouble early. Especially against crafty PGs. Think Thibs will stick with what has worked all year. Hoping Payton answers the bell after a horrible stretch. To be fair,

As for thread topic, Knicks are going to kick some Hawks ass. We should have everyone healthy and going in with confidence.

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IQ and Rose gonna have their hands full with Trae and Lou, whomever is the defender. Feel like if IQ ain't hitting shots and Elf laying his nightly dud, Frank will get minutes.

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5/18/2021  11:18 AM
Frank gets into foul trouble because they want him going hard. In the Payton roll he is not there for offense. If open, he takes the shot. In short samples since his demotion he is hitting it.
But he is there to mess up Trae and tire him out. Idea is to work him good so come 4th quarter fatigue hits and he turns it over and Rose can have his way with him. That would be my take.
Truth is likely Thibs goes with Payton who perhaps can get healthy. Seems like he has no lift which is why he is getttng his shyt blocked. Vildoza we don't know is even in the country let alone on the team.
Be fun as hell to see him play and run Trae down. But I doubt it.
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5/18/2021  12:10 PM
So many shooters on the Hawks - waves of shooters. Aside from the pick and roll between Young/Capela there's a lot to worry about on the perimeter. I think to some degree, letting Capela run amok might be by design to ensure we can defend the 3. In general I like the way we match up against primarly offensive teams like this one.

I don't think they have the right defenders to stop Randle, but I think they are gonna have to go all out an double him.
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5/18/2021  12:34 PM
WP76 wrote:Have to give Frank some opportunities to use his length defensively against Young. The problem is that N is so spotty (nice way of saying he usually stinks) on the offensive end. Can't be any worse than EP, I guess.

Unless you have been under a rock, Thibs has no intentions of benching payton,rose, burks, or IQ to play frank.

The only defense he has is pass deflections (with those long arms) he can't guard quick players or players bigger and stronger..

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5/18/2021  12:35 PM
martin wrote:

At the end of the day, we beat them, so does those stats really matter.

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5/18/2021  1:56 PM
We should anticipate they will double Randle and play the odds that RJ doesn't pick up the scoring slack and our shooters don't shoot a high percentage.

We should also assume Hunter will matchup better against Randle so the hero ball approach won't be as effective.

I agree Thibs will start Payton but would love to see Frank thrown in there periodically to break up Trae's rhythm so he's not grooving as we start the 4th.

Our keys should be ball movement, Randle playing well, not allowing/minimizing the 3pt waves and consistent 48 minutes of defensive intensity
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5/18/2021  2:05 PM
knicks1248 wrote:<snip>
McMillan has simply been out coached in almost every playoff battle, which is why he got fired

Yep, that's how I read it. McMillan got killed in the playoffs with the Pacers. (one of the losses was a sweep vs the Cavs; last year they were swept by the Heat in spite of having a better record)

McMillan may have a winning formula for the regular season, but in the playoffs, when you see the same team again and again, you need to have backup plays for your backup plays and find new ways to give new looks on defense. It's the sweeps that are most concerning for him.

I just found this:
https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2021/5/17/22438912/atlanta-hawks-playoffs-nate-mcmillan-coaching-record-new-york-knicks-matchup-history

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5/20/2021  12:51 PM
It's annoying how the Hawks are now declaring themselves an underdog. They spent crazy money bringing in Gallinari and Bog and went into win-now mode as much as any team in the league. The Knicks on the other hand, focused on the draft and made very small changes, and came in with the expectation of being one of the league's worst teams.
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5/20/2021  12:58 PM
Knixkik wrote:It's annoying how the Hawks are now declaring themselves an underdog. They spent crazy money bringing in Gallinari and Bog and went into win-now mode as much as any team in the league. The Knicks on the other hand, focused on the draft and made very small changes, and came in with the expectation of being one of the league's worst teams.
eh... just banter. I love that every Knick is gonna have a chip on their shoulder and I am confident we will defend with max effort for 48 minutes. I dont think the Hawks have the physical personnel to handle that.

I think the talent, coaching, most of the factors are quiet even.... end of the day they cant match our physical style of play for 48 minutes which results in us controlling the game late. Strangely my phone has not rung with TNT asking me to join their analysis crew so what the hell do I know.

I cant phuckin wait.... the guy I am really interested in watching is RJ. I thank Randle will do what Randle does. RJ can be a real tide turner for us

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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5/20/2021  1:03 PM
martin wrote:
yeah... there's some context tho. Lost to the Heat in the bubble, a very good Celtics team and Lebron's Cavs twice.

Nate's a good coach and he will have them prepared

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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5/20/2021  1:45 PM
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martin wrote:
yeah... there's some context tho. Lost to the Heat in the bubble, a very good Celtics team and Lebron's Cavs twice.

Nate's a good coach and he will have them prepared


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5/20/2021  1:45 PM
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:
yeah... there's some context tho. Lost to the Heat in the bubble, a very good Celtics team and Lebron's Cavs twice.

Nate's a good coach and he will have them prepared

He maybe a decent coach but he was essentially fired in Portland for the same thing he was fired In Indie.

Players just stop responded, and he wasn't able to take players to the next level

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5/20/2021  1:46 PM
Knixkik wrote:It's annoying how the Hawks are now declaring themselves an underdog. They spent crazy money bringing in Gallinari and Bog and went into win-now mode as much as any team in the league. The Knicks on the other hand, focused on the draft and made very small changes, and came in with the expectation of being one of the league's worst teams.

underdogs because we swept the regular season series

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5/20/2021  2:13 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:It's annoying how the Hawks are now declaring themselves an underdog. They spent crazy money bringing in Gallinari and Bog and went into win-now mode as much as any team in the league. The Knicks on the other hand, focused on the draft and made very small changes, and came in with the expectation of being one of the league's worst teams.

underdogs because we swept the regular season series

I mean, it's true. We gave them a can of ass-whooping during the regular season and earned HCA over them for the playoffs in spite of the same record. But yeah, they'd have had HCA if they beat us in 1 of those 3 games.

But it's not our fault their main free agent signings were injury-waiting-to-happen players. And It's not our fault that they stuck with Lloyd Pierce as coach. They need to be mad at themselves for their choices and feel fortunate that they were able to turn things around.

The Knicks, on the other hand, are talking how they were disrespected before the season and that the experts only predicted we'd crack 30 wins if EVERYTHING FELL INTO PLACE.

So here we are, two teams and fanbases trying to find whatever motivation it takes to get to the next round. Good times.

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5/20/2021  2:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/20/2021  2:16 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:
yeah... there's some context tho. Lost to the Heat in the bubble, a very good Celtics team and Lebron's Cavs twice.

Nate's a good coach and he will have them prepared

He maybe a decent coach but he was essentially fired in Portland for the same thing he was fired In Indie.

Players just stop responded, and he wasn't able to take players to the next level

May be true but it has nothing to do with this year or this series. Clearly, this Hawks team is responding very well to Nate as they are 27-11 since he took over. Hawks are going to be a very tough out.
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Uptown wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:
yeah... there's some context tho. Lost to the Heat in the bubble, a very good Celtics team and Lebron's Cavs twice.

Nate's a good coach and he will have them prepared

He maybe a decent coach but he was essentially fired in Portland for the same thing he was fired In Indie.

Players just stop responded, and he wasn't able to take players to the next level

May be true but it has nothing to do with this year or this series. Clearly, this Hawks team is responding very well to Nate as they are 27-11 since he took over. Hawks are going to be a very tough out.

Nate McMillian is a damn good coach.

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5/20/2021  4:22 PM
so in the week of prep does Thibs do a better job figuring out how to slow down Trae, or does Nate do a better job of figuring out how to slow down Ju

that's the series, right there

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