knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Feel like Robinson catches too much flack on this board. When he didn’t have a broken bone, he was top 5 in blocks, top 5 in box outs and had made serious strides on controlling his fouls. If the problem is that he isn’t Kareem - well, that’s solvable. He can change his name too.

If it’s a couple articles about him missing a plane - kid is still young. Could use guidance from a guy like Noel. If it’s that he skipped college to workout... well, we knew he would need more time to develop team basketball. We wouldn’t have him on our team if he didn’t.

Injuries? Broke his hand and his foot. Those aren’t exactly indicators of failing health.

I freaking love this guy and see So much upside. You can’t teach that quick bounce. No tearing this guy down. There is no reason why you can’t lock up the C position for the next 4+ years with Noel and Robinson. We don’t need a stretch 5 when you can have a guy in position to box out.

With that bounce he should be avg no less than 10/11 rebounds and have at least 1 Goto move on offense. If it took him 3 season to learn how to stop fouling, how long will it take to develop all the other aspects of that position.

Since he's signed for year 4 for $1.8m, we have another year to find out.

When Joe Judge got the Giants job last year one of his first public answers to a question from the press is (I'm paraphrasing) "don't tell me what a player can't do, tell me what he CAN do".

Robinson AS IS has valuable NBA skills and he doesn't need to be paid on a projected basis until next summer.

Right now and next season he'll be a very valuable bargain for the things he CAN do, and I trust Thibs to not only get them out of him but know how to use them wisely.

Wbat else is there?

You know Why Mitch is wearing that shirt, it's because he saw that he was so easy to replace because he had no place. The team scored more, played faster, and most of all, WON a lot MORE GAMES without him

Players that take 5 to 7 yrs to develop, they end up on different teams, and Randle is a perfect example of that.

Players that ball out from the start, get contract extensions.

The New Age center KAT, EMBIID, JOKIC, TURNER WOODS, BAM. VUCEVIC, Not the One dimensional Mitch, those guys are a dime a dozen.

Had Noel had a Full normal Training camp, he would have beat out mitch for the starting job.

i'll let Broc figure out his value, but he was a 2nd round pick for a reason.

Every player you named has a usage rate twice that of Robinson. Not every player can use the ball all the time. You are comparing apples and oranges based on players that are the centerpiece of heliocentric game models. Guys like Robinson that can produce without touches are valuable in a manner that doesn’t show up in the Pts/Rebs/Ast. Some might say that their low usage rate actually overstated certain stats (like offensive and defensive rating). Regardless, you are comparing him to a different kind of player and wondering why the stats don’t match up. It’s just wrong.

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Feel like Robinson catches too much flack on this board. When he didn’t have a broken bone, he was top 5 in blocks, top 5 in box outs and had made serious strides on controlling his fouls. If the problem is that he isn’t Kareem - well, that’s solvable. He can change his name too.

If it’s a couple articles about him missing a plane - kid is still young. Could use guidance from a guy like Noel. If it’s that he skipped college to workout... well, we knew he would need more time to develop team basketball. We wouldn’t have him on our team if he didn’t.

Injuries? Broke his hand and his foot. Those aren’t exactly indicators of failing health.

I freaking love this guy and see So much upside. You can’t teach that quick bounce. No tearing this guy down. There is no reason why you can’t lock up the C position for the next 4+ years with Noel and Robinson. We don’t need a stretch 5 when you can have a guy in position to box out.

With that bounce he should be avg no less than 10/11 rebounds and have at least 1 Goto move on offense. If it took him 3 season to learn how to stop fouling, how long will it take to develop all the other aspects of that position.

Since he's signed for year 4 for $1.8m, we have another year to find out.

When Joe Judge got the Giants job last year one of his first public answers to a question from the press is (I'm paraphrasing) "don't tell me what a player can't do, tell me what he CAN do".

Robinson AS IS has valuable NBA skills and he doesn't need to be paid on a projected basis until next summer.

Right now and next season he'll be a very valuable bargain for the things he CAN do, and I trust Thibs to not only get them out of him but know how to use them wisely.

Wbat else is there?

You know Why Mitch is wearing that shirt,

Nope, and I can't imagine being genuinely invested in interpreting player's clothing choices.

it's because he saw that he was so easy to replace because he had no place. The team scored more, played faster, and most of all, WON a lot MORE GAMES without him

Except the team didn't play faster. They actually played as a slower pace in April and May.

Most knicks fans know the difference between the April-May Knicks and months prior is a significant jump in 3pt% and a jump in attempts (as a % of all FGA) and a nice bump in FT%.

That's WHY they've scored more. Not because of some increase in pace or shots a game.

Now it's clear you have a jonze against Robinson, so you're free to explain how his absence has led to 42.5% 3-point shooting.

I'll likely enjoy the attempt.

Players that take 5 to 7 yrs to develop, they end up on different teams, and Randle is a perfect example of that.

I'm sorry, is being patient with Randle your argument against patience?

You might want to think that one through a few moments...

The New Age center KAT, EMBIID, JOKIC, TURNER WOODS, BAM. VUCEVIC, Not the One dimensional Mitch, those guys are a dime a dozen.

4 of those guys are on teams much worse than the Knicks... so your point escapes me.

Chandler wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Feel like Robinson catches too much flack on this board. When he didn’t have a broken bone, he was top 5 in blocks, top 5 in box outs and had made serious strides on controlling his fouls. If the problem is that he isn’t Kareem - well, that’s solvable. He can change his name too.

If it’s a couple articles about him missing a plane - kid is still young. Could use guidance from a guy like Noel. If it’s that he skipped college to workout... well, we knew he would need more time to develop team basketball. We wouldn’t have him on our team if he didn’t.

Injuries? Broke his hand and his foot. Those aren’t exactly indicators of failing health.

I freaking love this guy and see So much upside. You can’t teach that quick bounce. No tearing this guy down. There is no reason why you can’t lock up the C position for the next 4+ years with Noel and Robinson. We don’t need a stretch 5 when you can have a guy in position to box out.

I'm in this camp. Pay the man. Love Nerlens but he still has stone hands. Mitch catches everything

IF they have tradable value then resign them. If not its a marriage.

Nalod wrote:

Chandler wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Feel like Robinson catches too much flack on this board. When he didn’t have a broken bone, he was top 5 in blocks, top 5 in box outs and had made serious strides on controlling his fouls. If the problem is that he isn’t Kareem - well, that’s solvable. He can change his name too.

If it’s a couple articles about him missing a plane - kid is still young. Could use guidance from a guy like Noel. If it’s that he skipped college to workout... well, we knew he would need more time to develop team basketball. We wouldn’t have him on our team if he didn’t.

Injuries? Broke his hand and his foot. Those aren’t exactly indicators of failing health.

I freaking love this guy and see So much upside. You can’t teach that quick bounce. No tearing this guy down. There is no reason why you can’t lock up the C position for the next 4+ years with Noel and Robinson. We don’t need a stretch 5 when you can have a guy in position to box out.

I'm in this camp. Pay the man. Love Nerlens but he still has stone hands. Mitch catches everything

IF they have tradable team value then resign them. If not its a marriage.

"Trade Value" requires an unaffiliated third party team to value both the player and the contract. Team value only requires the organization to fill a positional need. They should overlap, but they may not. Theo Pinson may have zero trade value. But the team may yet value him to give him another minimum contract.

Robinson is 23, 7 foot and athletic. The only complaints I have heard or seen about him have been on this board.

The only real question is how to valuate his next contract.