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5/10/2021  12:57 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
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Welpee wrote:So predictable. Someone plays well against us and suddenly we have to have him. Based on that we should have about 50 players on our roster next year.

Makes a ton of sense if we want to keep D rose

E Payton is a legit weak spot. But do we want to spend 25mm per years or mare on a PG? No we want to resign D rose and upgrade the position for a few years without breaking the bank. A player like this can do that?

Questions. Payton is a legit weak spot yet we have put together the best defense and win record in eight years? Would agree that we can improve by upgrading Payton but what would Payne bring defensively or add that is entirely better than Payton? What about Payne's SIX season and FOUR teams screams out we need to lock this kid up? Btw, he is close to the bottom of total minutes in FOUR years? Why? Since he has progressed so much. Why are coaches not playing him??

Because he is playing behind CP3 and the other wing spots you have are Booker and Bridges.

CP3 averaging ~30 minutes, Payne getting the rest of them.

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5/10/2021  2:14 PM
martin wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Welpee wrote:So predictable. Someone plays well against us and suddenly we have to have him. Based on that we should have about 50 players on our roster next year.

Makes a ton of sense if we want to keep D rose

E Payton is a legit weak spot. But do we want to spend 25mm per years or mare on a PG? No we want to resign D rose and upgrade the position for a few years without breaking the bank. A player like this can do that?

Questions. Payton is a legit weak spot yet we have put together the best defense and win record in eight years? Would agree that we can improve by upgrading Payton but what would Payne bring defensively or add that is entirely better than Payton? What about Payne's SIX season and FOUR teams screams out we need to lock this kid up? Btw, he is close to the bottom of total minutes in FOUR years? Why? Since he has progressed so much. Why are coaches not playing him??

Because he is playing behind CP3 and the other wing spots you have are Booker and Bridges.

CP3 averaging ~30 minutes, Payne getting the rest of them.

Fair enough. Cleveland? Chicago? The main point was, if you are going to claim some kid has a higher ceiling, you would need to show some statistical proof. Just do not think it's enough to say he has not had the opportunity. Especially when you are talking about a kid that has been bounced around. Also, think really good players find that opportunity no matter who is on the roster. Is Cam a solid future NBA PG? I do not know. Maybe. But do not think he has done much in six years to prove we should be "Locking him up" for any considerable amount of time. As we have seen several times in the last few years. Players that some believe can break out if given the chance or are granted a change of environment, usually disappoint and just show that they are just not that good. Luckily, the Knicks offered most of those players ONE-year deals.

IMHO, to talk about Cam getting a multi-year offer is premature.

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5/10/2021  3:19 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
martin wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Welpee wrote:So predictable. Someone plays well against us and suddenly we have to have him. Based on that we should have about 50 players on our roster next year.

Makes a ton of sense if we want to keep D rose

E Payton is a legit weak spot. But do we want to spend 25mm per years or mare on a PG? No we want to resign D rose and upgrade the position for a few years without breaking the bank. A player like this can do that?

Questions. Payton is a legit weak spot yet we have put together the best defense and win record in eight years? Would agree that we can improve by upgrading Payton but what would Payne bring defensively or add that is entirely better than Payton? What about Payne's SIX season and FOUR teams screams out we need to lock this kid up? Btw, he is close to the bottom of total minutes in FOUR years? Why? Since he has progressed so much. Why are coaches not playing him??

Because he is playing behind CP3 and the other wing spots you have are Booker and Bridges.

CP3 averaging ~30 minutes, Payne getting the rest of them.

Fair enough. Cleveland? Chicago? The main point was, if you are going to claim some kid has a higher ceiling, you would need to show some statistical proof. Just do not think it's enough to say he has not had the opportunity. Especially when you are talking about a kid that has been bounced around. Also, think really good players find that opportunity no matter who is on the roster. Is Cam a solid future NBA PG? I do not know. Maybe. But do not think he has done much in six years to prove we should be "Locking him up" for any considerable amount of time. As we have seen several times in the last few years. Players that some believe can break out if given the chance or are granted a change of environment, usually disappoint and just show that they are just not that good. Luckily, the Knicks offered most of those players ONE-year deals.

IMHO, to talk about Cam getting a multi-year offer is premature.

Oh I agree with you. BRIGGS typical overshoot on a suggested contract.

I think TT has it correct: 2 year deal with second year at Team Option with a buyout.

PHO over the cap and can only offer him up to ~$6M (maybe it's 7 the league avg?). This year Burks, Noel, Bullock all came on deals that were $6M and less and produced, proven vet Rose nabbed $7 previously; I gotta guess that is the top baseline for a player like Cam.

With the way the Knicks are built, they can offer him opportunity at starting role and huge visibility with the storyline of everyone improving on the Knicks this past offseason etc. etc.

Knicks just got the best PG in Europe for $3.5M?

Up to Payne to roll the dice.

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5/10/2021  3:34 PM
martin wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
martin wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Welpee wrote:So predictable. Someone plays well against us and suddenly we have to have him. Based on that we should have about 50 players on our roster next year.

Makes a ton of sense if we want to keep D rose

E Payton is a legit weak spot. But do we want to spend 25mm per years or mare on a PG? No we want to resign D rose and upgrade the position for a few years without breaking the bank. A player like this can do that?

Questions. Payton is a legit weak spot yet we have put together the best defense and win record in eight years? Would agree that we can improve by upgrading Payton but what would Payne bring defensively or add that is entirely better than Payton? What about Payne's SIX season and FOUR teams screams out we need to lock this kid up? Btw, he is close to the bottom of total minutes in FOUR years? Why? Since he has progressed so much. Why are coaches not playing him??

Because he is playing behind CP3 and the other wing spots you have are Booker and Bridges.

CP3 averaging ~30 minutes, Payne getting the rest of them.

Fair enough. Cleveland? Chicago? The main point was, if you are going to claim some kid has a higher ceiling, you would need to show some statistical proof. Just do not think it's enough to say he has not had the opportunity. Especially when you are talking about a kid that has been bounced around. Also, think really good players find that opportunity no matter who is on the roster. Is Cam a solid future NBA PG? I do not know. Maybe. But do not think he has done much in six years to prove we should be "Locking him up" for any considerable amount of time. As we have seen several times in the last few years. Players that some believe can break out if given the chance or are granted a change of environment, usually disappoint and just show that they are just not that good. Luckily, the Knicks offered most of those players ONE-year deals.

IMHO, to talk about Cam getting a multi-year offer is premature.

Oh I agree with you. BRIGGS typical overshoot on a suggested contract.

I think TT has it correct: 2 year deal with second year at Team Option with a buyout.

PHO over the cap and can only offer him up to ~$6M (maybe it's 7 the league avg?). This year Burks, Noel, Bullock all came on deals that were $6M and less and produced, proven vet Rose nabbed $7 previously; I gotta guess that is the top baseline for a player like Cam.

With the way the Knicks are built, they can offer him opportunity at starting role and huge visibility with the storyline of everyone improving on the Knicks this past offseason etc. etc.

Knicks just got the best PG in Europe for $3.5M?

Up to Payne to roll the dice.


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5/10/2021  8:21 PM
martin wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
martin wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Welpee wrote:So predictable. Someone plays well against us and suddenly we have to have him. Based on that we should have about 50 players on our roster next year.

Makes a ton of sense if we want to keep D rose

E Payton is a legit weak spot. But do we want to spend 25mm per years or mare on a PG? No we want to resign D rose and upgrade the position for a few years without breaking the bank. A player like this can do that?

Questions. Payton is a legit weak spot yet we have put together the best defense and win record in eight years? Would agree that we can improve by upgrading Payton but what would Payne bring defensively or add that is entirely better than Payton? What about Payne's SIX season and FOUR teams screams out we need to lock this kid up? Btw, he is close to the bottom of total minutes in FOUR years? Why? Since he has progressed so much. Why are coaches not playing him??

Because he is playing behind CP3 and the other wing spots you have are Booker and Bridges.

CP3 averaging ~30 minutes, Payne getting the rest of them.

Fair enough. Cleveland? Chicago? The main point was, if you are going to claim some kid has a higher ceiling, you would need to show some statistical proof. Just do not think it's enough to say he has not had the opportunity. Especially when you are talking about a kid that has been bounced around. Also, think really good players find that opportunity no matter who is on the roster. Is Cam a solid future NBA PG? I do not know. Maybe. But do not think he has done much in six years to prove we should be "Locking him up" for any considerable amount of time. As we have seen several times in the last few years. Players that some believe can break out if given the chance or are granted a change of environment, usually disappoint and just show that they are just not that good. Luckily, the Knicks offered most of those players ONE-year deals.

IMHO, to talk about Cam getting a multi-year offer is premature.

Oh I agree with you. BRIGGS typical overshoot on a suggested contract.

I think TT has it correct: 2 year deal with second year at Team Option with a buyout.

PHO over the cap and can only offer him up to ~$6M (maybe it's 7 the league avg?). This year Burks, Noel, Bullock all came on deals that were $6M and less and produced, proven vet Rose nabbed $7 previously; I gotta guess that is the top baseline for a player like Cam.

With the way the Knicks are built, they can offer him opportunity at starting role and huge visibility with the storyline of everyone improving on the Knicks this past offseason etc. etc.

Knicks just got the best PG in Europe for $3.5M?

Up to Payne to roll the dice.

Agree with that and with TT. But as you mentioned here and as I mentioned on several other threads, Luca has now filled that stop-gap with what seems to be a longer commitment from the Knicks. Seems the need for a low-cost insurance plan at PG has passed. Do not think Knicks would want to have too many of those taking up roster spots.

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5/13/2021  11:05 AM
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https://www.si.com/nba/2021/05/13/cam-payne-suns-career-back-from-dead

Cam Payne's Career Is Back From the Dead
The Suns backup point guard has gone from being a near-washout to a key contributor on a team that has its sights on a title.

We all know the NBA season was hanging in the balance about a year ago. But even prior to the league’s virus-related stoppage, Cam Payne’s NBA career seemed to be hanging by the flimsiest of threads, too.

By the summer of 2020, it had been almost a year and a half since the point guard had played in an NBA game. His last stop had been a January 2019 stint with Cleveland, where he was let go after a pair of 10-day deals. Leading up to that point, between foot injuries and poor, inconsistent play, the former first-rounder had been an inefficient disappointment, washing out with both the Thunder and the Bulls.

Then, with the light getting dimmer after 17 months on the NBA sidelines, Phoenix came calling.

The Suns turned out to be a huge surprise down in Orlando, going a perfect 8-0 while narrowly missing the playoffs. And Payne, picked up just before the team headed east for the bubble, was arguably an even bigger revelation. A career 39.7% shooter who’d logged six points per game to that point, Payne averaged 10.9 points, connected on 48.5% of his shots during the eight-game run, including 51.7% from three.

And since that breakout showing, the 26-year-old has become a key piece with the title-contending Suns.

While Payne hasn’t been quite as on fire as he was in Orlando, at 47.5% overall and 42.5% from deep with just three regular-season games left to play, he isn’t terribly far off from those metrics. He had the best showing of his career Sunday night, dropping 24 points on 9-of-10 from the floor against the Lakers. And Payne has logged double-digit point totals in five of his last eight games. The double-digit outputs tend to be a great thing for Phoenix, which has gone 17-2 in contests where Payne has 10 points or more.

It’s a wild, stark turnaround from where things were just a year ago, when there were a number of signs that Payne’s NBA career might be over. After averaging 24 points in the G League just before COVID-19 shut things down, he got word from the Mavericks they were going to sign Trey Burke instead of him.

When that fell through, Payne told himself, “That’s gonna be it for me,” according to ESPN’s Zach Lowe.

His assumption was a fair one. Through Payne’s first four seasons, he’d posted an effective field-goal rate of just 46.5%—one that was among the 20 worst marks in the association over that span. That put the guard in the same bucket with a handful of older players who’ve since retired and several younger ones who’ve found themselves at a career crossroads because of how badly they’ve struggled thus far.

Payne experienced something of a basketball wilderness in late 2019, when he signed on to play in China. Upon landing in Hong Kong, Payne and his girlfriend ended up having to drag their six bags for what felt like miles to the hotel after no one from his team, Shanxi Loongs, came to pick them up after the flight. And once they made it to the hotel, the room was so small to where they couldn’t even fit all their bags.

“That was the first thing where I was like, ‘This ain’t the NBA,” Payne said.

In a way, that overseas excursion served as a sort of Ebenezer Scrooge moment for him. If his NBA career was all but dead, this was a clear-eyed Payne looking at what would take its place. Walking for miles in a foreign land as opposed to having a car service. Hotel rooms the size of a small closet. No fame. No glory.

Fortunately for him, Suns coach Monty Williams served as Payne’s Ghost of Christmas Yet To Come. As an assistant coach, Williams had worked with the floor general back at his first stop, in Oklahoma City.

“He’s always been a good kid, but he [eventually] learned how to work. He learned to be consistent in the work,” Williams says. “I’m not as surprised as everybody else is, because I had him. And Sam Presti doesn’t make a lot of mistakes. … I think if you talked to Cam, he’d probably tell you more than I could. But he just got serious about the work. He always worked, but then he got more consistent about it.”

Williams had suggested to Payne before, during the stint with the Thunder, that he put in longer hours at the practice facility. But that advice, lost on him the first time, finally resonated with him in Phoenix.

Similarly, where Payne once looked a bit out of place in an NBA rotation, he now often looks fantastic and completely comfortable. The Suns’ lineups, which sometimes have him sharing the court with fellow point guard Jevon Carter, don’t put an inordinate amount of pressure on Payne. He cares for the ball well—six assists and no turnovers Tuesday—and owns a pristine 3.5-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio.

Even when he was struggling, Payne had always been a decent pick-and-roll ball-handler. Yet the lefty’s found a new level with the Suns, both in those sets and as a jump-shooter. He ranks in the 93rd percentile in catch-and-shoot situations, according to Synergy—something that makes him a quietly dangerous option when playing alongside stars like Chris Paul and Devin Booker. He’s shot 57.1% from the floor with Paul, and 51% with Booker; both higher than his 40.5% mark when neither is on the court with him. However you slice the numbers, it’s impossible to overlook one in particular: Phoenix beats opponents by eight points per 100 possessions with Payne, up from a cushion of just 4.8 points per 100 plays without him, according to Stats Perform.

Payne, who will be a free agent this offseason, finds himself in a highly unusual spot. In just 18 months, he’s gone from being a near-washout to a key contributor to a club that has its sights on a title. “It’s starting to come naturally for him now, and I think it’s helped him to be in a situation where there’s purposeful, meaningful basketball,” says Jae Crowder, adding that Payne’s increased effort has been apparent all year.

Fitting for someone who had an 11th-hour, Scrooge-like epiphany, where his NBA life flashed before his eyes.

We all know the NBA season was hanging in the balance about a year ago. But even prior to the league’s virus-related stoppage, Cam Payne’s NBA career seemed to be hanging by the flimsiest of threads, too.

By the summer of 2020, it had been almost a year and a half since the point guard had played in an NBA game. His last stop had been a January 2019 stint with Cleveland, where he was let go after a pair of 10-day deals. Leading up to that point, between foot injuries and poor, inconsistent play, the former first-rounder had been an inefficient disappointment, washing out with both the Thunder and the Bulls.

Then, with the light getting dimmer after 17 months on the NBA sidelines, Phoenix came calling.

The Suns turned out to be a huge surprise down in Orlando, going a perfect 8-0 while narrowly missing the playoffs. And Payne, picked up just before the team headed east for the bubble, was arguably an even bigger revelation. A career 39.7% shooter who’d logged six points per game to that point, Payne averaged 10.9 points, connected on 48.5% of his shots during the eight-game run, including 51.7% from three.

And since that breakout showing, the 26-year-old has become a key piece with the title-contending Suns.

While Payne hasn’t been quite as on fire as he was in Orlando, at 47.5% overall and 42.5% from deep with just three regular-season games left to play, he isn’t terribly far off from those metrics. He had the best showing of his career Sunday night, dropping 24 points on 9-of-10 from the floor against the Lakers. And Payne has logged double-digit point totals in five of his last eight games. The double-digit outputs tend to be a great thing for Phoenix, which has gone 17-2 in contests where Payne has 10 points or more.

It’s a wild, stark turnaround from where things were just a year ago, when there were a number of signs that Payne’s NBA career might be over. After averaging 24 points in the G League just before COVID-19 shut things down, he got word from the Mavericks they were going to sign Trey Burke instead of him.

When that fell through, Payne told himself, “That’s gonna be it for me,” according to ESPN’s Zach Lowe.

His assumption was a fair one. Through Payne’s first four seasons, he’d posted an effective field-goal rate of just 46.5%—one that was among the 20 worst marks in the association over that span. That put the guard in the same bucket with a handful of older players who’ve since retired and several younger ones who’ve found themselves at a career crossroads because of how badly they’ve struggled thus far.

Payne experienced something of a basketball wilderness in late 2019, when he signed on to play in China. Upon landing in Hong Kong, Payne and his girlfriend ended up having to drag their six bags for what felt like miles to the hotel after no one from his team, Shanxi Loongs, came to pick them up after the flight. And once they made it to the hotel, the room was so small to where they couldn’t even fit all their bags.

“That was the first thing where I was like, ‘This ain’t the NBA,” Payne said.

In a way, that overseas excursion served as a sort of Ebenezer Scrooge moment for him. If his NBA career was all but dead, this was a clear-eyed Payne looking at what would take its place. Walking for miles in a foreign land as opposed to having a car service. Hotel rooms the size of a small closet. No fame. No glory.

Fortunately for him, Suns coach Monty Williams served as Payne’s Ghost of Christmas Yet To Come. As an assistant coach, Williams had worked with the floor general back at his first stop, in Oklahoma City.

“He’s always been a good kid, but he [eventually] learned how to work. He learned to be consistent in the work,” Williams says. “I’m not as surprised as everybody else is, because I had him. And Sam Presti doesn’t make a lot of mistakes. … I think if you talked to Cam, he’d probably tell you more than I could. But he just got serious about the work. He always worked, but then he got more consistent about it.”

Williams had suggested to Payne before, during the stint with the Thunder, that he put in longer hours at the practice facility. But that advice, lost on him the first time, finally resonated with him in Phoenix.

Similarly, where Payne once looked a bit out of place in an NBA rotation, he now often looks fantastic and completely comfortable. The Suns’ lineups, which sometimes have him sharing the court with fellow point guard Jevon Carter, don’t put an inordinate amount of pressure on Payne. He cares for the ball well—six assists and no turnovers Tuesday—and owns a pristine 3.5-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio.

Even when he was struggling, Payne had always been a decent pick-and-roll ball-handler. Yet the lefty’s found a new level with the Suns, both in those sets and as a jump-shooter. He ranks in the 93rd percentile in catch-and-shoot situations, according to Synergy—something that makes him a quietly dangerous option when playing alongside stars like Chris Paul and Devin Booker. He’s shot 57.1% from the floor with Paul, and 51% with Booker; both higher than his 40.5% mark when neither is on the court with him. However you slice the numbers, it’s impossible to overlook one in particular: Phoenix beats opponents by eight points per 100 possessions with Payne, up from a cushion of just 4.8 points per 100 plays without him, according to Stats Perform.

Payne, who will be a free agent this offseason, finds himself in a highly unusual spot. In just 18 months, he’s gone from being a near-washout to a key contributor to a club that has its sights on a title. “It’s starting to come naturally for him now, and I think it’s helped him to be in a situation where there’s purposeful, meaningful basketball,” says Jae Crowder, adding that Payne’s increased effort has been apparent all year.

Fitting for someone who had an 11th-hour, Scrooge-like epiphany, where his NBA life flashed before his eyes.

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5/13/2021  2:50 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:The disrespect to Knicks legends Shane Larkin and Alexey Shved, who are still killing it overseas😲

True! If we blame Vildoza's pedestrian numbers on the European style of play...

How is it that Shved is putting up 19.8ppg/7.7apg/3.6rpg in Euroleague play?
https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/alexey-shved-1.html

Larkin is dropping 15/4/2...
https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/shane-larkin-1.html

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5/15/2021  1:03 PM
If I was in charge.
I’d keep most of the guys I have
Payton out
Knox out
Rose bullock Burks back

To me the best value player on the board is Cameron Payne in free agency
If you have watched him. You know where I’m coming from.
He was incredible the other night against Phoenix in a big big game

He’s capable of starting the pg position abs playing a great 32 minutes or as a 20 minute player
He’s a direct immediate upgrade. Maybe more than people think. He’s a scoring pg who is a really good 3 point shooter and quick and long on d. While other people are orgasming at signing the over rated ball for 25-30 mm. I’ll give Payne 4 years 30 mm all day long

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6/1/2021  11:17 PM
Anyone watching Payne tonight?
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6/2/2021  6:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/2/2021  6:36 AM
Might be a very good low cost solution. Production might be similiar to Luca and we are already paying him over 3m
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6/2/2021  7:53 AM
In the last 4 games against the lakers in rd 2 he’s avg

16-4-4 with 9 threes and shooting 50% with limited turnovers in 25 minutes.

That would be a series changer here imho.

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6/2/2021  8:51 AM
BRIGGS wrote:In the last 4 games against the lakers in rd 2 he’s avg

16-4-4 with 9 threes and shooting 50% with limited turnovers in 25 minutes.

That would be a series changer here imho.


Yes

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6/2/2021  10:28 AM
too bad basketball doesnt work like that and you dont get "that" Cameron Payne. Much more likely you get the one who thought he was out of the NBA... you know, cause he sucks.

How about if we get "that" Bullock/Burks/Noel you want to resign? Can we get the versions you want to resign? I find these current versions very Cameron Payne like.

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6/2/2021  10:37 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/2/2021  10:38 AM
BRIGGS wrote:In the last 4 games against the lakers in rd 2 he’s avg

16-4-4 with 9 threes and shooting 50% with limited turnovers in 25 minutes.

That would be a series changer here imho.

Yeah, except we have a different team, different roster, different coach and a different system and you can't assume the results would be the same here. Just look at what Austin Rivers is doing in Denver compared to how he played here.

Also, what happened to all of those Andre Drummond supporters who were begging us to pick him up?

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6/2/2021  11:23 AM
Welpee wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:In the last 4 games against the lakers in rd 2 he’s avg

16-4-4 with 9 threes and shooting 50% with limited turnovers in 25 minutes.

That would be a series changer here imho.

Yeah, except we have a different team, different roster, different coach and a different system and you can't assume the results would be the same here. Just look at what Austin Rivers is doing in Denver compared to how he played here.

Also, what happened to all of those Andre Drummond supporters who were begging us to pick him up?

I’m not sure but didn’t Phoenix whoop us? I think they were 2 Nd in the league in wins? So whatever style of play they are using seems to work very well. Payne has played very well— that’s the bottom line.

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6/2/2021  11:27 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/2/2021  11:28 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Welpee wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:In the last 4 games against the lakers in rd 2 he’s avg

16-4-4 with 9 threes and shooting 50% with limited turnovers in 25 minutes.

That would be a series changer here imho.

Yeah, except we have a different team, different roster, different coach and a different system and you can't assume the results would be the same here. Just look at what Austin Rivers is doing in Denver compared to how he played here.

Also, what happened to all of those Andre Drummond supporters who were begging us to pick him up?

I’m not sure but didn’t Phoenix whoop us? I think they were 2 Nd in the league in wins? So whatever style of play they are using seems to work very well. Payne has played very well— that’s the bottom line.

Exactly, it works well for THEM and THEIR roster. Can't assume if you just plug him in here you'd get the same results. That's the bottom line. Certainly an upgrade over Payton but more because anybody is an upgrade over Payton.
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6/2/2021  11:53 AM
Welpee wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Welpee wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:In the last 4 games against the lakers in rd 2 he’s avg

16-4-4 with 9 threes and shooting 50% with limited turnovers in 25 minutes.

That would be a series changer here imho.

Yeah, except we have a different team, different roster, different coach and a different system and you can't assume the results would be the same here. Just look at what Austin Rivers is doing in Denver compared to how he played here.

Also, what happened to all of those Andre Drummond supporters who were begging us to pick him up?

I’m not sure but didn’t Phoenix whoop us? I think they were 2 Nd in the league in wins? So whatever style of play they are using seems to work very well. Payne has played very well— that’s the bottom line.

Exactly, it works well for THEM and THEIR roster. Can't assume if you just plug him in here you'd get the same results. That's the bottom line. Certainly an upgrade over Payton but more because anybody is an upgrade over Payton.

So I guess you can say the same thing for any other player on any other team that’s not a knick🥸
I think he’s a good player on a very good team.

RIP Crushalot😞
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6/2/2021  12:10 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Welpee wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Welpee wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:In the last 4 games against the lakers in rd 2 he’s avg

16-4-4 with 9 threes and shooting 50% with limited turnovers in 25 minutes.

That would be a series changer here imho.

Yeah, except we have a different team, different roster, different coach and a different system and you can't assume the results would be the same here. Just look at what Austin Rivers is doing in Denver compared to how he played here.

Also, what happened to all of those Andre Drummond supporters who were begging us to pick him up?

I’m not sure but didn’t Phoenix whoop us? I think they were 2 Nd in the league in wins? So whatever style of play they are using seems to work very well. Payne has played very well— that’s the bottom line.

Exactly, it works well for THEM and THEIR roster. Can't assume if you just plug him in here you'd get the same results. That's the bottom line. Certainly an upgrade over Payton but more because anybody is an upgrade over Payton.

So I guess you can say the same thing for any other player on any other team that’s not a knick🥸
I think he’s a good player on a very good team.

He has proven to be a good fit for Phoenix after bouncing around the league for four years. Countless examples of similar players who get big contracts, are expected to duplicate the same production in a bigger role playing more minutes, and they get exposed. At least a guy like Terry Rozier had the opportunity to carry a team in the playoffs.
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6/2/2021  1:12 PM
Welpee wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Welpee wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Welpee wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:In the last 4 games against the lakers in rd 2 he’s avg

16-4-4 with 9 threes and shooting 50% with limited turnovers in 25 minutes.

That would be a series changer here imho.

Yeah, except we have a different team, different roster, different coach and a different system and you can't assume the results would be the same here. Just look at what Austin Rivers is doing in Denver compared to how he played here.

Also, what happened to all of those Andre Drummond supporters who were begging us to pick him up?

I’m not sure but didn’t Phoenix whoop us? I think they were 2 Nd in the league in wins? So whatever style of play they are using seems to work very well. Payne has played very well— that’s the bottom line.

Exactly, it works well for THEM and THEIR roster. Can't assume if you just plug him in here you'd get the same results. That's the bottom line. Certainly an upgrade over Payton but more because anybody is an upgrade over Payton.

So I guess you can say the same thing for any other player on any other team that’s not a knick🥸
I think he’s a good player on a very good team.

He has proven to be a good fit for Phoenix after bouncing around the league for four years. Countless examples of similar players who get big contracts, are expected to duplicate the same production in a bigger role playing more minutes, and they get exposed. At least a guy like Terry Rozier had the opportunity to carry a team in the playoffs.

but he is 26 and that is when players start to figure things out, especially PGs.

Who exactly are we signing this off season? We desperately need help at the PG spot, this guy looks like he could be a huge upgrade over what we have.

Who knows, he might come here and with Thibs turn into an even better player.

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6/2/2021  1:19 PM
Welpee wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Welpee wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Welpee wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:In the last 4 games against the lakers in rd 2 he’s avg

16-4-4 with 9 threes and shooting 50% with limited turnovers in 25 minutes.

That would be a series changer here imho.

Yeah, except we have a different team, different roster, different coach and a different system and you can't assume the results would be the same here. Just look at what Austin Rivers is doing in Denver compared to how he played here.

Also, what happened to all of those Andre Drummond supporters who were begging us to pick him up?

I’m not sure but didn’t Phoenix whoop us? I think they were 2 Nd in the league in wins? So whatever style of play they are using seems to work very well. Payne has played very well— that’s the bottom line.

Exactly, it works well for THEM and THEIR roster. Can't assume if you just plug him in here you'd get the same results. That's the bottom line. Certainly an upgrade over Payton but more because anybody is an upgrade over Payton.

So I guess you can say the same thing for any other player on any other team that’s not a knick🥸
I think he’s a good player on a very good team.

He has proven to be a good fit for Phoenix after bouncing around the league for four years. Countless examples of similar players who get big contracts, are expected to duplicate the same production in a bigger role playing more minutes, and they get exposed. At least a guy like Terry Rozier had the opportunity to carry a team in the playoffs.

Terry rozier is a wildcard player. Most of his career he has shot a low %. He’s not really a pg per se. has a big salary and wouod cost us BOTH our cap space and all draft picks. He commands 16-18 shots a game — just a huge costly unknown. I’d rather keep my picks and offer Payne a full mle contract

RIP Crushalot😞
Cameron Payne

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