NYKBocker wrote:Why in the heck would be get rid of Mitch? We have a great C tandem right now with the system we have. Keep both of them.

This...

It leaves Mitch with a sense of humility about his place in the current world. Not always a bad thing.

Evident by the increase in wins? 1248 does bring up a good point which is Mitch’s stature regarding his contact going forward.
Lets just say we went from one of the 10 worst teams last year to a top 12 team this year. Give or take. All with centers that don’t get respect when them move from the rim.
how does Gorbert and Capella on winning teams exist? They do. Mitch can because Randle can punish teams that move off them to double him.

Personally I believe we are still a bit away from contending no matter how good this season feels. Our starting center if we are to be standing as a top 4 team has yet to appear. It could be Mitch but he has to prove durable and have some form of short parimeter game. Noel does.

This is a rare opportunity to lock in two elite shotblockers for the next 3-5 years. Both young enough not to get old during those contract years. Also gives us insurance. We would likely always have at least one elite defender in the paint, ready to go. Letting Mitch walk would be a big mistake.

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Im not sure if we can keep Mitch and Noel. Hope the FO makes a genuine effort to bring back both Noel and Mitch. We watched a skilled big man dominate last night. Too big for Noel and Gibson to handle. Mitch probably would have done a better job.

This is a rare opportunity to lock in two elite shotblockers for the next 3-5 years. Both young enough not to get old during those contract years. Also gives us insurance. We would likely always have at least one elite defender in the paint, ready to go. Letting Mitch walk would be a big mistake.

Jokic MVP and nobody can contain him. Same for Embiid. Is the big man back? Wiseman a part of a new future? Was KP suppose to be part of this? KAT is still young too!
IF so then its not the Gobert/Capella being the templete.

Maybe you can’t open doors until you close others. Like can’t have a new girlfriend until you move on from the old one. Somtimes you can’t move on until you recognize it.
IM not sure either of our guys are “The future”..........But until then we got choices to make. Money matters. Injuries matter as does trade values.
We fans just don’t have to deal with that reality.

I watched Kanter contain Jokic in the playoffs, with a separated shoulder. He did it by playing physical D, didnt give him the space to work. Helped the Blazers move to the next round. Jokic was an MVP finalist that season as well.

Noel was outweighed by 80 lbs. We need Mitch for bigs like Jokic and Embid. Who can do a better job of putting a body on big. Do a better job of impeding their movement.

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knicks1248 wrote:

Sambakick wrote:How soon we forget that Mitch broke Wilt's fg% record. We can't use that type of offensive production? Noel doesn't replace him.

Mitch doesn't have a place if he can easily be replace, and clearly that's been the case. Mitch is a long long way from being a really good player

Noel is a back up not a starter, he puts no pressure on the defense to guard him. If I'm guarding Noel and he leaves the paint, I'm doubling Randle immediately, blocking his vision and cutting off his spin move, forcing him into a T O.

Tell me you haven't seen that on more than a few occasions?

That seems to be the case. I used to think he was the future. To be perfectly honest I started having doubts about Mitch after watching one episode of his "show". I think he was interviewing Knox, if I am not mistaken. Mitch asked Kevin if he would rather have Mitch block his shot or dunk on him. When I heard that my heart kind of sunk. To me that shows a disconnect with reality. The guy is kind of full of himself. That right there is literally the only 2 things he knows how to do. He also boxes out, just to be fair. So damn limited. How about learning to set a damn pick? Argh

Then I started thinking about what improvements has he made in his game since being drafted. I came up with O. That , plus the saga with his agents... I won't even start about his durability. That's a lot to consider

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Clearly Robison can only do what Thibs let him do. Thibs is a guy who has yet to fully unlock IQ.

Robinson offensive ceiling is really still a mystery considering he was given a very specific, limited role.

He lost millions because of it.

Probably the same with not going to college for a year.

Jimbo5 wrote:
Should the FO focus on getting a reasonable long term deal with Noel(fair for both parties) and look for a trade for Mitch?

I saw an article exploring 3 possible trades for Mitch:

1. Indiana- myles turner for mitch and knox
2. Charlotte- Terry Rozier for mitch, Knox and detroit 2nd rounder
3. Boston- Aaron Nesmith, Bos 2021 1st, bos 2022 2nd for Mitch.

1. Indiana- myles turner for mitch and knox

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This trade will only make sense to those who believe Season 8 of Game Of Thrones was good television.

2. Charlotte- Terry Rozier for mitch, Knox and detroit 2nd rounder

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I believe the Knicks would lose this trade. I don't see a problem moving Knox, but it kills a lot of flexibility for a player that doesn't look like he will move the needle a ton.

3. Boston- Aaron Nesmith, Bos 2021 1st, bos 2022 2nd for Mitch.

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Ainge will want to dump Kemba Walker's contract. Given the Knicks cap space, he won't make any deal with NY unless it's to dump Kemba onto them. The problem with the Celtics is they need draftees to fill the roster around a top heavy salary core. Giving up cost controlled youth for a guy about to be paid well if he pans out for them ( will he pan out for them?) isn't a great salary move, esp if it does not involved Kemba. Teams will be reluctant to part with 2021 1st rounders at this point. I'm not saying it won't happen, but it won't happen for MRob.

Brock Aller will run metrics on Noel. On his actual worth in years and AAV. If Noel wants more, the Knicks will likely let him walk. The front office might be content to let MRob run out his contract and walk as a free agent.

Very likely if MRob gets traded ( as well as Knox), it won't be him as a centerpiece of a deal but as part of a bunch of moving parts in a 3-4 team massive deal where the Knicks absorb some undesirable contract for draft picks/other young players.

martin wrote:Mitch had a ton of offseason to do 2 things to propel him into a very large extension: Make sure his FT's were solid - and really anything almost above 65% would have been OK - and developing a bunny jumpshot. Anywhere between 5-15 feet.

He lost millions because of it.

Probably the same with not going to college for a year.

This is what's concerning. You can tell Barrett and Randle worked their asses off and became much better players. Mitch is still the same the player.