We found a gem late in round 1 with IQ - hopefully with 3 chances we can luck out again.

xavier wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:hes gonna want 3 years 90mm pass

No legit agent would allow him to ask that cause he would be laughed out of wherever he is

Martin. I think Conley makes over 30 mm now

Now he earns even more (34.5), but it was a long time ago when he signed that contract. At the time, he was considered one of the best PGs in the league, and even then some thought the contract was way too big after all.

Meanwhile, he has gone from (almost) star through a player who is "finished" to the solid starter he is today. But there’s no way anyone will give him anything near 30 per season.

Yes, thanks.

Utah is in a strange spot. VERY good team. Next year they will be at $134M in salary without Conley. I don't know how the luxury tax works but I gotta assume his money will count a LOT against that cap.

And then there is the market: how many teams will even HAVE cap space to offer a soon to be 34 year old? Like 3 teams.

I am starting to like Jalen Brunson but have no idea of the exact mechanics of his contract (and Mitch's) and what Dallas would do or what salary number they won't cross. If Jalen is given a contract of say $13-15M, I doubt they match. If Dallas is hunting a big name FA, can they match Jalen while also keeping enough cap space for another more important player for them?

I don't know what Conley or Ball give you that Brunson does not at a MUCH cheaper contract, and on the other side of things, he has much better upside and demonstrated orchestrating, shooting, and rim attaching at an age of 24 that fits with the rest of the guys. Feel like he fits the Rose/Thibs culture to a T too.

fishmike wrote:

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Welpee wrote:I have always advocated for getting Conley. I think we missed our opportunity in his first season in Utah when he struggled. Should've made a move for him then. Now, I think it all depends on how much money he wants. I doubt he'll come cheap after an all-star season.

Yep missed the window. Utah is not going to let him go.

good thing its not up to Utah, its up to Conley and the Knicks

Bird rights matter. They could give him a max deal and the most money. They are already over the cap they won't want to lose him for nothing.

SupremeCommander wrote:I’ll be honest, I don’t love the idea of Conley... but I do love the idea of 48 minutes split between Conley and Rose

The formula is simple. Guys can always get hurt but on paper you always have Conely/Rose on the floor running the ship. You always have elite rim protection with Mitch/Noel. You we pound you with Randle/RJ and supporting them you have the young guys under contract in IQ/Obi/Knox and you are gonna have 3 rookies possibly as well. Thats 12 guys. Rest of the roster will be what opportunities present themselves, but that is the blueprint.

martin wrote:So what contract do you offer him?

Knicks are at $50mm w/ Randle, RJ, Mitch, IQ, Knox, Obi
Cap is $112 for next year
after draft picks and cap holds Knicks should have $55ish

I think you need to lock up two pieces... Noel and a PG. I think Schroder and Conley are great fits and this path has us keeping all our young players and draft assets.

After that I am not sure how Bullock/Rose work. I think Rose will come back on some exception. Maybe we can fit them both in. I dont know but I have pretty high expectations to be honest.

Uptown wrote:If we are replacing Rose with Conley, cool. Not a fan of pairing two 33 year-olds at the PG position without a young and upcoming point to take the reigns in a year or two. Especially since most of you guys don't believe Quick can play point. I would like to see him get a legit shot before we completely close the door on that idea.

The odds are in favor of us resigning Rose since Thibs will be here for at least another 4 years. Brunson is at the top of my list if he is available this summer. If not, Schroder, Nunn and Ball will be available this summer and all 3 are in the same age bracket as our core players.

I’ve nothing against Brunson, we could do a lot worse. I think I prefer him over Conley due to respective ages. My biggest question with him is he really the orchestrator I crave? What does he bring in addition that IQ etc don’t? Relationship with Thibs etc. ( although I do believe he would potentially thrive playing for TT )

In order of personal preference:- ( of current names suggested )

Lonzo
Brunson
Schroeder
Conley
Nunn

Uptown wrote:If we are replacing Rose with Conley, cool. Not a fan of pairing two 33 year-olds at the PG position without a young and upcoming point to take the reigns in a year or two. Especially since most of you guys don't believe Quick can play point. I would like to see him get a legit shot before we completely close the door on that idea.

The odds are in favor of us resigning Rose since Thibs will be here for at least another 4 years. Brunson is at the top of my list if he is available this summer. If not, Schroder, Nunn and Ball will be available this summer and all 3 are in the same age bracket as our core players.

He's not a PG.

You need Mad handle to be an effective PG, and his handle is not even on Randles level. He's a scorer, who's more effective off the ball, and he has embraced his role.

You have to have the mindset of being a pg from Day 1, and IQ's 1st, 2nd option is to score, that's what the coaching staff ask of him, they are not trying to convert him into a PG..not even close.

I agree about having 2 PGs in their 30's, unless it's for a 1 yr run at a title

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:If we are replacing Rose with Conley, cool. Not a fan of pairing two 33 year-olds at the PG position without a young and upcoming point to take the reigns in a year or two. Especially since most of you guys don't believe Quick can play point. I would like to see him get a legit shot before we completely close the door on that idea.

The odds are in favor of us resigning Rose since Thibs will be here for at least another 4 years. Brunson is at the top of my list if he is available this summer. If not, Schroder, Nunn and Ball will be available this summer and all 3 are in the same age bracket as our core players.

much more worried about quality pay for my money than age and Conley is the best of that crop and playing at a very high level with no signs of tail off. The whole team will be very young and there will be likely 3 incoming rookies. The only age on the roster will be where its most valuable.

If IQ greatly improves that's awesome. Not a lot of teams out there who are worried about what to do with all the good guard play. Having Conley and Rose running the ship lets us draft and develop a PG in the next couple years while competing for a title. If that's IQ great.

Totally agree with the bold. Don't want us throwing max dollars at Ball just because he may be the best available pg this summer. I think Brunson can give us the best bang for our buck this summer, but I'm not sure he will be available. Nunn is another guard I would look very closely at. Similar to Rozier when the Hornets signed him, Nunn may be on the verge of a serious uptick in play with a bigger role and more playing time.

I like Conley, and if fact he runs the point better than Rose does. Just don't think we need both to play the role of the vet-lead guard. With both of them on the roster, there wont any playing time for the Pg we might draft. Plus, I'm curious how much money Conley would command on the open market?

Love that we have 3 picks in the top 32, but I'm skeptical that we 3 rookies will be here when camp opens next fall...