Kemet wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Answer: He showed him how he plays.

"It's over Phil! It's over!
Brah. You make every thread, loss, win about Frankie? Do you have a warehouse full of Frank Jerseys or something? You put down every PG we have ever had and probably hope they all get traded or hurt to give your boy yet another shot. Here is the thing, if a guy constantly needs other guys on the roster to get hurt/traded in order to get a shot then he must not be very good! Not to mention the chatter about a coach not giving him a shot. Frank has had several coaches who felt the same way. He has had like a hundred chances. So this "Let's give Frank a shot" is now just plain homer city. It's getting old man. Rose has a bad game after many good ones and now it's let's get rid of him for Frank? Why? Can you point to one viable stat supporting that in the last 4 years? Oh wait there was than one game every two months against that guy. Frank still looks like a dear in the headlights after 4 years. Literally and figuratively. Just move on man. We have 12 other nice guys you can root for. They make shots. Have attributed greatly to our wins. And actually look like NBA players when they are out there.
"It's over Phil!"

Cut it out .. coach Horn was the only coach that gave Frank a shot, having 4 PG on the Knicks roster.
After Frank rookie season during the offsason he fired Leon Rose as his agent. Which caused a lot of problems for Frank in the court system and the Knicks FO

I am curious WHY Thibs/Woodson/Payton has not put Franks-defense and Quickley's quick-scoring in a lineup alongside Gibson-defense and Obi Toppin's creative-scoring in any of our 50 games ???

Problem is fans think their curiosity trumps a coaches experience and his day to day observations in both games and practices. And how are you still "curious" after 4 years?

As for facts. First, Hornacech was NOT the ONLY coach to give him a chance. Frank averaged over 20 minutes a game for his first 3 years. But on that. Frank rewarded Horn with a 36% shooting percentage. Mind you, I did not say 3pt percentage. FG%! We wont mention the 29 game win total. Frank also had almost a 3-2 Assist to TO ratio! Horn was rewarded with a pink slip. But that was his first year. Fiz rewarded Frank with just as many minutes and with one year of experience under his belt Frank rewarded him with 33% Fg%! And 28% from 3. We wont mention the 17 win total. But that was just his sophomore year. Fiz then rewarded him with over 20 minutes again in 2019 and Frank had a whopping 38% FG%. Fiz was fired.

The only consistent thing related to Frank was his minutes, bad shooting, lack of aggressiveness and coaches getting fired. Yet you want him to what? Play 30 minutes? Expect the next coach to put his job on the line for him? Nah man.

This whole "they stole the election" type Frank conspiracy theory is just hilarious. Question for you is WHY you can't let it go? We are having a much better year and fans are focussed on a role player? Payton is better than Frank. Rose is better than Frank. IQ is better than Frank. Burks is better than Frank. That's a good thing if you're a Knick fan. What's the problem?

knicks1248 wrote:The question should be, why is frank always getting bench by every caosch that he's played for.

Im confident even the most diehard Frank fans know. For every good game Frank has, there are a lot more where its 4 on 5, on offense. If a defensive minded coach like Thibs cant give Frank regular minutes then Frank is in trouble.

If there was anyone who looks like he's headed for another league, it would be Frank. Which is why a change of scenery might be his best chance to stay in the league. Clean slate.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Kemet wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Answer: He showed him how he plays.

"It's over Phil! It's over!
Brah. You make every thread, loss, win about Frankie? Do you have a warehouse full of Frank Jerseys or something? You put down every PG we have ever had and probably hope they all get traded or hurt to give your boy yet another shot. Here is the thing, if a guy constantly needs other guys on the roster to get hurt/traded in order to get a shot then he must not be very good! Not to mention the chatter about a coach not giving him a shot. Frank has had several coaches who felt the same way. He has had like a hundred chances. So this "Let's give Frank a shot" is now just plain homer city. It's getting old man. Rose has a bad game after many good ones and now it's let's get rid of him for Frank? Why? Can you point to one viable stat supporting that in the last 4 years? Oh wait there was than one game every two months against that guy. Frank still looks like a dear in the headlights after 4 years. Literally and figuratively. Just move on man. We have 12 other nice guys you can root for. They make shots. Have attributed greatly to our wins. And actually look like NBA players when they are out there.
"It's over Phil!"

Cut it out .. coach Horn was the only coach that gave Frank a shot, having 4 PG on the Knicks roster.
After Frank rookie season during the offsason he fired Leon Rose as his agent. Which caused a lot of problems for Frank in the court system and the Knicks FO

I am curious WHY Thibs/Woodson/Payton has not put Franks-defense and Quickley's quick-scoring in a lineup alongside Gibson-defense and Obi Toppin's creative-scoring in any of our 50 games ???

Problem is fans think their curiosity trumps a coaches experience and his day to day observations in both games and practices. And how are you still "curious" after 4 years?

As for facts. First, Hornacech was NOT the ONLY coach to give him a chance. Frank averaged over 20 minutes a game for his first 3 years. But on that. Frank rewarded Horn with a 36% shooting percentage. Mind you, I did not say 3pt percentage. FG%! We wont mention the 29 game win total. Frank also had almost a 3-2 Assist to TO ratio! Horn was rewarded with a pink slip. But that was his first year. Fiz rewarded Frank with just as many minutes and with one year of experience under his belt Frank rewarded him with 33% Fg%! And 28% from 3. We wont mention the 17 win total. But that was just his sophomore year. Fiz then rewarded him with over 20 minutes again in 2019 and Frank had a whopping 38% FG%. Fiz was fired.

The only consistent thing related to Frank was his minutes, bad shooting, lack of aggressiveness and coaches getting fired. Yet you want him to what? Play 30 minutes? Expect the next coach to put his job on the line for him? Nah man.

This whole "they stole the election" type Frank conspiracy theory is just hilarious. Question for you is WHY you can't let it go? We are having a much better year and fans are focussed on a role player? Payton is better than Frank. Rose is better than Frank. IQ is better than Frank. Burks is better than Frank. That's a good thing if you're a Knick fan. What's the problem?

+100

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:The question should be, why is frank always getting bench by every caosch that he's played for.

Im confident even the most diehard Frank fans know. For every good game Frank has, there are a lot more where its 4 on 5, on offense. If a defensive minded coach like Thibs cant give Frank regular minutes then Frank is in trouble.

If there was anyone who looks like he's headed for another league, it would be Frank. Which is why a change of scenery might be his best chance to stay in the league. Clean slate.

knicks1248 wrote:

Juliano wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Im confident even the most diehard Frank fans know. For every good game Frank has, there are a lot more where its 4 on 5, on offense. If a defensive minded coach like Thibs cant give Frank regular minutes then Frank is in trouble.

If there was anyone who looks like he's headed for another league, it would be Frank. Which is why a change of scenery might be his best chance to stay in the league. Clean slate.

Indeed. If he has any future in the league the Knicks are obviously no part of it, which makes it all the more baffling as to why he wasn't traded before the deadline. Why not get something back from him, albeit very little, rather than nothing in the summer?

He's been on the trading block for 2 1/2 season, which is a clear indication of where is NBA career is heading

The worst thing about frank...He's ok with sitting on the bench in his 4th season, doesn't complain, doesn't request a trade, doesn't get better, doesn't expand his game.

Great players love the game, passionate about the game, study the game, eat and sleep the game..do you get that VIBE about him?

Let's be honest. You don't know any of that

knicks1248 wrote:

Juliano wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Im confident even the most diehard Frank fans know. For every good game Frank has, there are a lot more where its 4 on 5, on offense. If a defensive minded coach like Thibs cant give Frank regular minutes then Frank is in trouble.

If there was anyone who looks like he's headed for another league, it would be Frank. Which is why a change of scenery might be his best chance to stay in the league. Clean slate.

Indeed. If he has any future in the league the Knicks are obviously no part of it, which makes it all the more baffling as to why he wasn't traded before the deadline. Why not get something back from him, albeit very little, rather than nothing in the summer?

He's been on the trading block for 2 1/2 season, which is a clear indication of where is NBA career is heading

The worst thing about frank...He's ok with sitting on the bench in his 4th season, doesn't complain, doesn't request a trade, doesn't get better, doesn't expand his game.

Great players love the game, passionate about the game, study the game, eat and sleep the game..do you get that VIBE about him?

I remember the interviews Frank gave his rookie season. When asked about things in his game he needed to improve. There was a noticeable lack of urgency in his answers. Considering how much work he needed on offense. It got my attention. Acted like he had all the time in the world.

Hornacek told him he should play pick up bball anywhere he can in the offseason. Instead he spent it all in France. Didnt feel like he was fully commited to taking his game to the next level, early on.
That and injuries cost Frsnk valuabls time.

Philc1 wrote:

Kemet wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Answer: He showed him how he plays.

"It's over Phil! It's over!
Brah. You make every thread, loss, win about Frankie? Do you have a warehouse full of Frank Jerseys or something? You put down every PG we have ever had and probably hope they all get traded or hurt to give your boy yet another shot. Here is the thing, if a guy constantly needs other guys on the roster to get hurt/traded in order to get a shot then he must not be very good! Not to mention the chatter about a coach not giving him a shot. Frank has had several coaches who felt the same way. He has had like a hundred chances. So this "Let's give Frank a shot" is now just plain homer city. It's getting old man. Rose has a bad game after many good ones and now it's let's get rid of him for Frank? Why? Can you point to one viable stat supporting that in the last 4 years? Oh wait there was than one game every two months against that guy. Frank still looks like a dear in the headlights after 4 years. Literally and figuratively. Just move on man. We have 12 other nice guys you can root for. They make shots. Have attributed greatly to our wins. And actually look like NBA players when they are out there.
"It's over Phil!"

Cut it out .. coach Horn was the only coach that gave Frank a shot, having 4 PG on the Knicks roster.
After Frank rookie season during the offsason he fired Leon Rose as his agent. Which caused a lot of problems for Frank in the court system and the Knicks FO

I am curious WHY Thibs/Woodson/Payton has not put Franks-defense and Quickley's quick-scoring in a lineup alongside Gibson-defense and Obi Toppin's creative-scoring in any of our 50 games ???

Politics. Frank rejected CAA and Isiah hates him and always has.

Source? Proof that you aren't pulling this out of your butt?

fishmike wrote:I love Frank... but I think we should start with simple question first posted. What did Frank do to Thibs?

Well he hasnt had a good game in a month. His best was shooting 5-7 vs. SAS in a 26 point blowout (Frank was -20). The other reasonable game was 4-9 good for 13 points vs. Orlando.

Franks last 8 games he shot
0-3, -5
0-1, -7
0-5, +5
0-4, +4
4-9, -2
1-3, -2
0-0, 0 (10 mins vs. Was)
0-2, -8

So what Frank "did" to THibs was mis most all of his shots and not help the Knicks wins.

Frank would prolly be great on BRK where he could play 20-30 minutes a night and never have to handle or shoot the ball playing next to guys like Harden/Kyrie. Cant do that on the Knicks. Need to be able to help out a little on offense

The author, founder and CEO of Frankie Haters Can Suck It has spoken. Here endeth the lesson. Frankie would be great at basketball if he only had to touch a basketball when stealing it or blocking it. Another chapter in not having had great experiences as a fan base with French basketballers. I'm looking at your Vinsanity tat, Fred Weis.

Frank is now the last bastion of hope and praise for that small contingent of PhilJax lovers. I honestly hope wherever he does end up (please God, not Brooklyn), he gets DPOY. Although I'm hoping his latest shooting exhibitions make him untradable and he somehow, someway, ends up doing that here.