knicks1248 wrote:
Just said this in the game thread..

IQ was absolute wide open on the wing and look at MAMBA 1.0

Or you can see it as RJ having recognized that Rubio was reading a pass to IQ, while RJ's defender had already been faked into the air, thus giving up a decent shot for the taking.

Nobody disagrees that Payton sucks. OK, now what? We just have to gut it out until the off-season.

knicks1248 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Funny the narrative. We know why the same suspects want Payton on the first boat to China. But how about being objective and oh yeah using some facts? Payton only played 27 minutes and still scored 17 points and shot 46% with 2 steals. Many on here would be losing their minds if some of our bench favorites did that. He was also a plus in +/-. Thibs like him in there over IQ because he stays aggressive but still knows to get the ball to Randle and RJ. There could be a better case for why Bullocks, Randle, and Barret played so many minutes. Bullock and Randle were a - 10 and -5. They looked a bit tired towards the end. However, we can point to many games this year that those three came up big in wins down the stretch. So understand a coach going with what got him where he is. Fans have a short memory and forget those games. Quick was a plus 10 but shot 0-4 and has been in the habit of only looking for his shot. Thibs, I believe, is doing what a good coach does. Which is to try to groom him to be more than just a sixth man. Maybe the reason he sits him sometimes. Considering its IQ's first year, not a bad plan. Could Thibs have put Burks in at the end and maybe IQ? Sure. Maybe. But it's all easy to say in hindsight. Do not see too many threads after every win on how Thibs keep in the vets made the difference in the game. I do feel RJ "Mamba's mentality" is a bit out of touch with who the best player or shooter on the team is. Guess you want that in a young star but it sure is frustrating at times when he acts like he is Kobe Bryant.

Just said this in the game thread..

IQ was absolute wide open on the wing and look at MAMBA 1.0

Hero Basketball

Winning Basket Ball

If it wasn't for ZION .. RJ Barrett would've stayed another year in college or been a late first round or early 2nd round.
I watch in the last two Knicks game how Thibs and company (DRose, Randle, RJ) HOGGED the ball denying Quickley the ball. I dont care that Quickley dont pass the ball he been averaging less than 17 minute of playing-time.
Quickley has shown repeatedly he's a better scorer than RJ & Burks in the SG position. But RJ is the 3rd pick of the draft.
There was no way the Knicks was gonna trade for the Raptors SG/SF scorer Norman Powell and keep RJ Barrett in the rotation.

Kemet wrote:

Welpee wrote:What are our alternatives, especially if Rose is out? Frank? Quickley is wildly inconsistent and if people were honest, he hasn't been that good for the past month: 37 fg%, 35 3pt%, 74 ft%. Burks is a mirage. That streak of all-star caliber performances isn't who he really is. Very useful player, but not as good as that six game streak he had.

Nobody disagrees that Payton sucks. OK, now what? We just have to gut it out until the off-season.

Do you see any chemistry in the trio Payton RJ and Randle? NO!
Have the trio average 30+ minute a game last season? YES!
Do each of the trio dribble-dribble holding the ball to long? YES!
Do the trio control the ball to pick and choose who gets the ball? YES!
Players like Frank, Knox, Obi, and Quickley are Doomed by Randle, RJ, Payton, and DRose individual performance controlling the Knicks offense.
As many touches on the ball as Payton RJ and Randle receive on offense for 30 to 40 minute a game they each should be averaging 5 assist per game.

Welpee wrote:

Kemet wrote:

Welpee wrote:What are our alternatives, especially if Rose is out? Frank? Quickley is wildly inconsistent and if people were honest, he hasn't been that good for the past month: 37 fg%, 35 3pt%, 74 ft%. Burks is a mirage. That streak of all-star caliber performances isn't who he really is. Very useful player, but not as good as that six game streak he had.

Nobody disagrees that Payton sucks. OK, now what? We just have to gut it out until the off-season.

Do you see any chemistry in the trio Payton RJ and Randle? NO!
Have the trio average 30+ minute a game last season? YES!
Do each of the trio dribble-dribble holding the ball to long? YES!
Do the trio control the ball to pick and choose who gets the ball? YES!
Players like Frank, Knox, Obi, and Quickley are Doomed by Randle, RJ, Payton, and DRose individual performance controlling the Knicks offense.
As many touches on the ball as Payton RJ and Randle receive on offense for 30 to 40 minute a game they each should be averaging 5 assist per game.

Again, I'm hearing a lot of complaints and no alternatives, unless you're advocating not playing our best players and going the tank and pray route. Answer this question for me, we would have a better record doing what?

I would play Frank over Satan.

Frank would give you better defense. Would actually pass ahead in transition. Would look to setup Randle and RJ. Would actually respect his 3 point shooting and open up the lane for Randle and RJ.

NYKBocker wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Kemet wrote:

Welpee wrote:What are our alternatives, especially if Rose is out? Frank? Quickley is wildly inconsistent and if people were honest, he hasn't been that good for the past month: 37 fg%, 35 3pt%, 74 ft%. Burks is a mirage. That streak of all-star caliber performances isn't who he really is. Very useful player, but not as good as that six game streak he had.

Nobody disagrees that Payton sucks. OK, now what? We just have to gut it out until the off-season.

Do you see any chemistry in the trio Payton RJ and Randle? NO!
Have the trio average 30+ minute a game last season? YES!
Do each of the trio dribble-dribble holding the ball to long? YES!
Do the trio control the ball to pick and choose who gets the ball? YES!
Players like Frank, Knox, Obi, and Quickley are Doomed by Randle, RJ, Payton, and DRose individual performance controlling the Knicks offense.
As many touches on the ball as Payton RJ and Randle receive on offense for 30 to 40 minute a game they each should be averaging 5 assist per game.

Again, I'm hearing a lot of complaints and no alternatives, unless you're advocating not playing our best players and going the tank and pray route. Answer this question for me, we would have a better record doing what?

I would play Frank over Satan.

Frank would give you better defense. Would actually pass ahead in transition. Would look to setup Randle and RJ. Would actually respect his 3 point shooting and open up the lane for Randle and RJ.

Elf has become DSJ minus the crappy on court attitude last several games. Get him out of here

NYStateOfMind wrote:Not sure why we couldn't take a flyer on Isaiah Thomas, but the Pelicans thought he was a good addition to add depth. Payton is terrible, Thibs coaching lately has been suspect. I would have filled the 2 spots with Isaiah and Boogie. This team needs spacing, pg play, and a big man that provides offense (sometimes from downtown). Instead, we add Pelle, a guy cut twice this season who is basically only a shot blocker. Don't we have that already in Taj/Noel.

So frustrating that the Knicks did nothing to improve the team for a playoff push and the results are showing, yet other teams make moves. BENCH Payton, coach better Thibs. Wolves loss was a joke and mostly on the coach for his 4th quarter rotation. You often can't win most games in the 4th quarter without some offensive punch, relying only on defense. Sure a few guys missed shots and that last shot was a horrible choice, but these guys play all out and are tired after 30-40 mins.

Make the required moves to win and attract future stars.

Knicks team and forefront philosophy is built on defense first. IT and Boogie do nothing in that area. So why even consider them?

When you are overachieving, you don't take the type of flier on those types of guys.

You really committed to saying signing guys like IT and Boogie move the needle which will result in attracting future stars?

NYStateOfMind wrote:

martin wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:Not sure why we couldn't take a flyer on Isaiah Thomas, but the Pelicans thought he was a good addition to add depth. Payton is terrible, Thibs coaching lately has been suspect. I would have filled the 2 spots with Isaiah and Boogie. This team needs spacing, pg play, and a big man that provides offense (sometimes from downtown). Instead, we add Pelle, a guy cut twice this season who is basically only a shot blocker. Don't we have that already in Taj/Noel.

So frustrating that the Knicks did nothing to improve the team for a playoff push and the results are showing, yet other teams make moves. BENCH Payton, coach better Thibs. Wolves loss was a joke and mostly on the coach for his 4th quarter rotation. You often can't win most games in the 4th quarter without some offensive punch, relying only on defense. Sure a few guys missed shots and that last shot was a horrible choice, but these guys play all out and are tired after 30-40 mins.

Make the required moves to win and attract future stars.

Knicks team and forefront philosophy is built on defense first. IT and Boogie do nothing in that area. So why even consider them?

When you are overachieving, you don't take the type of flier on those types of guys.

You really committed to saying signing guys like IT and Boogie move the needle which will result in attracting future stars?

I'd rather sacrifice a little defense to boost this offense of late. They move the needle enough to where the team was headed, now they are slipping and losing close games again, even to trash teams. How hard is it to call up Kyle Korver or Jamal Crawford type?

Can't get caught up in inconsequential moves. Boogie offered nothing but slightly below average three point shooting and Thomas is good enough to crack the lineup. I mean, is he really better than Rivers at this point?