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3/30/2021  1:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/30/2021  1:42 PM
GustavBahler wrote:I heard Payton has something to do with global warming as well..

We were up, then Noel sat for most of the 3rd. Butler had a field day, end of story.

Rose missed some late shots as well. Silly to pin this all on Payton.

This.

Thibs has started Payton most of year. Do not see anyone attributing any of the success to that.
Think we shot like 10 from 36 from 3pt. That usually the culprit when we lose. These are the games we also need to be able to go inside. Unfortunately, we do not have anyone at the 5 that can do so. Gibson was a -22.

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3/30/2021  1:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/30/2021  1:45 PM
BRIGGS wrote:There was something off about starting unit last night and he rode them well into the 3 rd q as they destroyed the game — mojo was then beat.

Think we were in the game until we had a bad 4 minutes in the third where they hit some big threes and we had three quick turnovers. Btw Rose and Burks had more minutes than Payton and Bullock. So there is that. Unless you meant he should have benched Randle and RJ? But okay, I think the problem was that we just did not hit our three pointers. Bullock and RJ went 0 for 8 but it's not like Burks came in and shot the lights out? Miami defense did a good job on him. IQ came in and Jacked up 11 shots in 17 minutes. Did not exactly help the Knicks pull away. Think the reason Thibs has managed to coach us into respectability is that he stays with the guys that have gotten us there and has a good feel for who has it going. Both offensively AND defensively.

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3/30/2021  1:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/30/2021  1:51 PM
Vmart wrote:
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Vmart wrote:Knox and Frank need to get run. This is getting tiring watching players play and then boom out of rotation. I’m still not sure why Toppin is getting minutes over Knox. Knox has shown he can score in the league. And the Knicks needed scoring. Type of game where Thibs need to use his roster.
One thing people do is forget that we aren't privy to what happens in practice. Toppin and Knox may be showing things in practice that explains why one is getting minutes and the other isn't.

Privy to practice? 🤔 well he does say Frank works hard in practice and does all the right things. I’m sure Knox is doing the necessary things as well. But I’m starting to think that those two are not being put in good position in favor of Their picks.

What's he going to say, Frank sucks? Again, you're sure how? You don't know.

You really think a guy like Thibs who wants to win at all costs is going to play people based on perception? You may disagree with his decisions, but he has shown no indication that he makes decisions based on anything other than what HE thinks gives him the best chance of winning.

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3/30/2021  1:58 PM
Welpee wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Welpee wrote:
Vmart wrote:Knox and Frank need to get run. This is getting tiring watching players play and then boom out of rotation. I’m still not sure why Toppin is getting minutes over Knox. Knox has shown he can score in the league. And the Knicks needed scoring. Type of game where Thibs need to use his roster.
One thing people do is forget that we aren't privy to what happens in practice. Toppin and Knox may be showing things in practice that explains why one is getting minutes and the other isn't.

Privy to practice? 🤔 well he does say Frank works hard in practice and does all the right things. I’m sure Knox is doing the necessary things as well. But I’m starting to think that those two are not being put in good position in favor of Their picks.

What's he going to say, Frank sucks? Again, you're sure how? You don't know.

You really think a guy like Thibs who wants to win at all costs is going to play people based on perception? You may disagree with his decisions, but he has shown no indication that he makes decisions based on anything other than what HE thinks gives him the best chance of winning.

What Frank and Knox don’t want to win? I’m sure they want to win and are putting the work in. Are you saying they have no talent, they do have talent. The Knicks lost yesterday because Thibs got out coached pretty badly. Once the heat made the adjustment, Thibs didn’t make the necessary adjustments. Which was to attack the heat with more players. That is where Tibs exhibits weakness and he doesn’t see when his players are out of gas and need rest. The main reason the Knicks stopped scoring as well.

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3/30/2021  2:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/30/2021  3:31 PM
Vmart wrote:
Welpee wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Welpee wrote:
Vmart wrote:Knox and Frank need to get run. This is getting tiring watching players play and then boom out of rotation. I’m still not sure why Toppin is getting minutes over Knox. Knox has shown he can score in the league. And the Knicks needed scoring. Type of game where Thibs need to use his roster.
One thing people do is forget that we aren't privy to what happens in practice. Toppin and Knox may be showing things in practice that explains why one is getting minutes and the other isn't.

Privy to practice? 🤔 well he does say Frank works hard in practice and does all the right things. I’m sure Knox is doing the necessary things as well. But I’m starting to think that those two are not being put in good position in favor of Their picks.

What's he going to say, Frank sucks? Again, you're sure how? You don't know.

You really think a guy like Thibs who wants to win at all costs is going to play people based on perception? You may disagree with his decisions, but he has shown no indication that he makes decisions based on anything other than what HE thinks gives him the best chance of winning.

What Frank and Knox don’t want to win? I’m sure they want to win and are putting the work in. Are you saying they have no talent, they do have talent. The Knicks lost yesterday because Thibs got out coached pretty badly. Once the heat made the adjustment, Thibs didn’t make the necessary adjustments. Which was to attack the heat with more players. That is where Tibs exhibits weakness and he doesn’t see when his players are out of gas and need rest. The main reason the Knicks stopped scoring as well.

For all the home based GMs that want to have Frank and Knox get more time.... Let me introduce you to 2017,2018,2019 and 2020. When we were a laughing stock and they consistently showed nothing.
'Its over Steven!"

Btw, You guys should adopt them. That way it would be okay to brag about everything they do. Like most parents do. Even when they do not have an ounce of proof to show it's true. Lmao 🤣

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3/30/2021  2:45 PM
Even I have come around in Frank and his lack of aggression and honestly soft play. But last night Thjb did not play to win. His starters were gassed they were going to lose no point not giving Knox and Frank run. It would have been the prudent thing to do. But Thibs does have history of running players into the ground. Yesterday was an example of that.
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3/30/2021  3:23 PM
jrodmc wrote:
fishmike wrote:hopefully we are looking into better coaching options asap

I heard Mike Miller's available.

Mike Miller is America's sweetheart.

With all those draft picks that OKC has in the coming years. Even if they use some of them in deals. They'll still be cashing in lots of them.

Miller was a respected developmental coach in NY. Good situation, if they retain him.

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3/30/2021  3:26 PM
fishmike wrote:hopefully we are looking into better coaching options asap

Maybe bring Fiz back to replace Woody, and then have him take over from Thibs next year

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3/30/2021  3:30 PM
I did not see the game last night. Not much I miss but we had an outdoor birthday party for a friend and I have seen more games this year than most.
That said, we have seen Thibs leave his starters in long even when we are up big and blowing out a team. I ask myself why?
I thought perhaps he what’s his players to walk off as killers and a visceral sense of victory. Maybe if guys are not playing their allotment and losing, he wants them to feel that too? If end of bench players are in for “Garbage time” they don’t have sense of intensity so it does not “develop” them. I’m spitballing here, not pretending I know shyt.
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3/30/2021  4:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/30/2021  4:10 PM
smackeddog wrote:
fishmike wrote:hopefully we are looking into better coaching options asap

Maybe bring Fiz back to replace Woody, and then have him take over from Thibs next year

Why not the guy across the river MDA at least he got the Knicks into the playoffs.

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3/30/2021  4:57 PM
Vmart wrote:
Welpee wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Welpee wrote:
Vmart wrote:Knox and Frank need to get run. This is getting tiring watching players play and then boom out of rotation. I’m still not sure why Toppin is getting minutes over Knox. Knox has shown he can score in the league. And the Knicks needed scoring. Type of game where Thibs need to use his roster.
One thing people do is forget that we aren't privy to what happens in practice. Toppin and Knox may be showing things in practice that explains why one is getting minutes and the other isn't.

Privy to practice? 🤔 well he does say Frank works hard in practice and does all the right things. I’m sure Knox is doing the necessary things as well. But I’m starting to think that those two are not being put in good position in favor of Their picks.

What's he going to say, Frank sucks? Again, you're sure how? You don't know.

You really think a guy like Thibs who wants to win at all costs is going to play people based on perception? You may disagree with his decisions, but he has shown no indication that he makes decisions based on anything other than what HE thinks gives him the best chance of winning.

What Frank and Knox don’t want to win? I’m sure they want to win and are putting the work in. Are you saying they have no talent, they do have talent. The Knicks lost yesterday because Thibs got out coached pretty badly. Once the heat made the adjustment, Thibs didn’t make the necessary adjustments. Which was to attack the heat with more players. That is where Tibs exhibits weakness and he doesn’t see when his players are out of gas and need rest. The main reason the Knicks stopped scoring as well.

Who said anything about not wanting to win? Even the last player on the bench on most teams wants to win.

This is about what the players are displaying to Thibs in practice that makes him believe the people who are getting minutes are who he believes gives the Knicks the best chance of winning.

"Making adjustments" is a common catch all phrase fans constantly use to explain loses and blame it on the coach. Look at the minutes distribution and it's hard to see how anybody should've been out of gas.

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3/30/2021  6:18 PM
Payton is a decent NBA Player. The problem is he does not fit this team. I believe the same thing with Dennis Smith jr. Both of them need teams with shooting so they can slash to the hoop. Can you imagine RJ on a team with good shoot and the space that provides? We have a terrible lack of 3pt shooting. Don't quote any stats to me that we have improved in 3pt shooting. We are still one of the worse shooting teams in the league. We are the only NBA team where to beat us teams use zone defense all game. Zone defense means they have no respect for our shooting ability.
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3/31/2021  11:15 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/31/2021  11:19 AM
Vmart wrote:Even I have come around in Frank and his lack of aggression and honestly soft play. But last night Thjb did not play to win. His starters were gassed they were going to lose no point not giving Knox and Frank run. It would have been the prudent thing to do. But Thibs does have history of running players into the ground. Yesterday was an example of that.

No coach in the NBA is going to play 12 players in a game, unless it's garbage time, or his name is Kurt Rambis

We couldn't score, and your idea of adjusting is to play frank(who already has 5 scoreless games this season) and Knox, who has the lowest IQ on the roster.

Those guys have been given plenty of opportunities (frank just had almost a full month) to crack the rotation.

They let ROOKIES (OBI, IQ) come in a take their spots, and they accepted that like a couple of soft punks..what more motivation do you need to step your game up, unless you're comfortable in your role.

The playing with a "chip on your shoulder" doesn't seem to apply to them

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3/31/2021  1:03 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Vmart wrote:Even I have come around in Frank and his lack of aggression and honestly soft play. But last night Thjb did not play to win. His starters were gassed they were going to lose no point not giving Knox and Frank run. It would have been the prudent thing to do. But Thibs does have history of running players into the ground. Yesterday was an example of that.

No coach in the NBA is going to play 12 players in a game, unless it's garbage time, or his name is Kurt Rambis

We couldn't score, and your idea of adjusting is to play frank(who already has 5 scoreless games this season) and Knox, who has the lowest IQ on the roster.

Those guys have been given plenty of opportunities (frank just had almost a full month) to crack the rotation.

They let ROOKIES (OBI, IQ) come in a take their spots, and they accepted that like a couple of soft punks..what more motivation do you need to step your game up, unless you're comfortable in your role.

The playing with a "chip on your shoulder" doesn't seem to apply to them

You emasculate Frank because he is inconsistent on Offense?

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3/31/2021  1:06 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Vmart wrote:Even I have come around in Frank and his lack of aggression and honestly soft play. But last night Thjb did not play to win. His starters were gassed they were going to lose no point not giving Knox and Frank run. It would have been the prudent thing to do. But Thibs does have history of running players into the ground. Yesterday was an example of that.

No coach in the NBA is going to play 12 players in a game, unless it's garbage time, or his name is Kurt Rambis

We couldn't score, and your idea of adjusting is to play frank(who already has 5 scoreless games this season) and Knox, who has the lowest IQ on the roster.

Those guys have been given plenty of opportunities (frank just had almost a full month) to crack the rotation.

They let ROOKIES (OBI, IQ) come in a take their spots, and they accepted that like a couple of soft punks..what more motivation do you need to step your game up, unless you're comfortable in your role.

The playing with a "chip on your shoulder" doesn't seem to apply to them

Basically it amounts to fans who blame every loss on the coach and the justification is to point out anything that he didn't do and use that as the cause of the loss. Thibs didn't play Frank and Knox, that's why we lost. Thibs didn't throw Theo Pinson or Jared Harper out there, that's why we lost. Thibs didn't wear black sneakers, that's why we lost.
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3/31/2021  1:07 PM
Nalod wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Vmart wrote:Even I have come around in Frank and his lack of aggression and honestly soft play. But last night Thjb did not play to win. His starters were gassed they were going to lose no point not giving Knox and Frank run. It would have been the prudent thing to do. But Thibs does have history of running players into the ground. Yesterday was an example of that.

No coach in the NBA is going to play 12 players in a game, unless it's garbage time, or his name is Kurt Rambis

We couldn't score, and your idea of adjusting is to play frank(who already has 5 scoreless games this season) and Knox, who has the lowest IQ on the roster.

Those guys have been given plenty of opportunities (frank just had almost a full month) to crack the rotation.

They let ROOKIES (OBI, IQ) come in a take their spots, and they accepted that like a couple of soft punks..what more motivation do you need to step your game up, unless you're comfortable in your role.

The playing with a "chip on your shoulder" doesn't seem to apply to them

You emasculate Frank because he is inconsistent on Offense?

We almost reached KD levels of reaction there hahaha

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BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Vmart wrote:Even I have come around in Frank and his lack of aggression and honestly soft play. But last night Thjb did not play to win. His starters were gassed they were going to lose no point not giving Knox and Frank run. It would have been the prudent thing to do. But Thibs does have history of running players into the ground. Yesterday was an example of that.

No coach in the NBA is going to play 12 players in a game, unless it's garbage time, or his name is Kurt Rambis

We couldn't score, and your idea of adjusting is to play frank(who already has 5 scoreless games this season) and Knox, who has the lowest IQ on the roster.

Those guys have been given plenty of opportunities (frank just had almost a full month) to crack the rotation.

They let ROOKIES (OBI, IQ) come in a take their spots, and they accepted that like a couple of soft punks..what more motivation do you need to step your game up, unless you're comfortable in your role.

The playing with a "chip on your shoulder" doesn't seem to apply to them

You emasculate Frank because he is inconsistent on Offense?

We almost reached KD levels of reaction there hahaha

Still time left in the season to get there!

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3/31/2021  2:23 PM
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knicks1248 wrote:
Vmart wrote:Even I have come around in Frank and his lack of aggression and honestly soft play. But last night Thjb did not play to win. His starters were gassed they were going to lose no point not giving Knox and Frank run. It would have been the prudent thing to do. But Thibs does have history of running players into the ground. Yesterday was an example of that.

No coach in the NBA is going to play 12 players in a game, unless it's garbage time, or his name is Kurt Rambis

We couldn't score, and your idea of adjusting is to play frank(who already has 5 scoreless games this season) and Knox, who has the lowest IQ on the roster.

Those guys have been given plenty of opportunities (frank just had almost a full month) to crack the rotation.

They let ROOKIES (OBI, IQ) come in a take their spots, and they accepted that like a couple of soft punks..what more motivation do you need to step your game up, unless you're comfortable in your role.

The playing with a "chip on your shoulder" doesn't seem to apply to them

Basically it amounts to fans who blame every loss on the coach and the justification is to point out anything that he didn't do and use that as the cause of the loss. Thibs didn't play Frank and Knox, that's why we lost. Thibs didn't throw Theo Pinson or Jared Harper out there, that's why we lost. Thibs didn't wear black sneakers, that's why we lost.

But.... but... Frank's doing all the "right things" in practice! Thibs (Tibs?) hasn't said anything BAD about Knox's IQ! We need shiny things! Thibs can't coach! It's why they ran him out of Minny! It's why Jimmy didn't just quit the Heat and come here!

Oh wait, are we still possibly going to make the playoffs...??? Do we have the best defense in the NBA? Do we actually have the best anything in the NBA?

Yeah, must be the stupid coach who doesn't know what he's doing.

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3/31/2021  4:48 PM
jrodmc wrote:
Welpee wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Vmart wrote:Even I have come around in Frank and his lack of aggression and honestly soft play. But last night Thjb did not play to win. His starters were gassed they were going to lose no point not giving Knox and Frank run. It would have been the prudent thing to do. But Thibs does have history of running players into the ground. Yesterday was an example of that.

No coach in the NBA is going to play 12 players in a game, unless it's garbage time, or his name is Kurt Rambis

We couldn't score, and your idea of adjusting is to play frank(who already has 5 scoreless games this season) and Knox, who has the lowest IQ on the roster.

Those guys have been given plenty of opportunities (frank just had almost a full month) to crack the rotation.

They let ROOKIES (OBI, IQ) come in a take their spots, and they accepted that like a couple of soft punks..what more motivation do you need to step your game up, unless you're comfortable in your role.

The playing with a "chip on your shoulder" doesn't seem to apply to them

Basically it amounts to fans who blame every loss on the coach and the justification is to point out anything that he didn't do and use that as the cause of the loss. Thibs didn't play Frank and Knox, that's why we lost. Thibs didn't throw Theo Pinson or Jared Harper out there, that's why we lost. Thibs didn't wear black sneakers, that's why we lost.

But.... but... Frank's doing all the "right things" in practice! Thibs (Tibs?) hasn't said anything BAD about Knox's IQ! We need shiny things! Thibs can't coach! It's why they ran him out of Minny! It's why Jimmy didn't just quit the Heat and come here!

Oh wait, are we still possibly going to make the playoffs...??? Do we have the best defense in the NBA? Do we actually have the best anything in the NBA?

Yeah, must be the stupid coach who doesn't know what he's doing.

We have the best arena?
ANd the best fans! So smart are knick fans. You can slice the sarcasm with a knife!

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3/31/2021  4:56 PM
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Welpee wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Vmart wrote:Even I have come around in Frank and his lack of aggression and honestly soft play. But last night Thjb did not play to win. His starters were gassed they were going to lose no point not giving Knox and Frank run. It would have been the prudent thing to do. But Thibs does have history of running players into the ground. Yesterday was an example of that.

No coach in the NBA is going to play 12 players in a game, unless it's garbage time, or his name is Kurt Rambis

We couldn't score, and your idea of adjusting is to play frank(who already has 5 scoreless games this season) and Knox, who has the lowest IQ on the roster.

Those guys have been given plenty of opportunities (frank just had almost a full month) to crack the rotation.

They let ROOKIES (OBI, IQ) come in a take their spots, and they accepted that like a couple of soft punks..what more motivation do you need to step your game up, unless you're comfortable in your role.

The playing with a "chip on your shoulder" doesn't seem to apply to them

Basically it amounts to fans who blame every loss on the coach and the justification is to point out anything that he didn't do and use that as the cause of the loss. Thibs didn't play Frank and Knox, that's why we lost. Thibs didn't throw Theo Pinson or Jared Harper out there, that's why we lost. Thibs didn't wear black sneakers, that's why we lost.

But.... but... Frank's doing all the "right things" in practice! Thibs (Tibs?) hasn't said anything BAD about Knox's IQ! We need shiny things! Thibs can't coach! It's why they ran him out of Minny! It's why Jimmy didn't just quit the Heat and come here!

Oh wait, are we still possibly going to make the playoffs...??? Do we have the best defense in the NBA? Do we actually have the best anything in the NBA?

Yeah, must be the stupid coach who doesn't know what he's doing.

We have the best arena?
ANd the best fans! So smart are knick fans. You can slice the sarcasm with a knife!


AND the most sensitive owner! Who's overly sensitive to internet sarcasm!
Thibs lost game last night

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