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I'm surprised Indiana went with a 63 year old coach who doesn't have any coaching experience on the college level. Not taking anything away from Woodson; he's been a good NBA head coach and I'm sure he will be fine on the practice court and during games, but a lot of your success in college begins and ends with recruiting. Recruiting is a tireless and ruthless job; hopefully he hires young, up and coming assistant coaches with high school and AAU connections in the midwest. He would be best served grabbing an AAU or High school coach from the Indiana area.

The fact that Indiana hired Woodson tells me that the Indy job isn't as coveted as they think it should be. Surprised they couldn't get a young, up an coming college coach to take that job. Not only does the tournament increase the draft stock of players, but it does the same with coaching. Andy Enfield had a great run in the tournament at Florida Gulf Coast back in 2013 which helped him land the USC job. But like I said, maybe none of the coaches they identified wanted the job....

I wonder if it is as tireless and ruthless as an NBA assistant job or even in the same territory?

Recruiting at the highest level is ruthless. Recruiters are digging up every bit of dirt on their competitors during their presentations to players. Their likely telling half truths to one recruit while going after a higher ranking guy who plays the same position. Then there's the under the table compensation packages. Plus, Indiana has lost it's luster, so they have to dig in and try to find under the radar guys. That means more travel. Everything is out in the open with the NBA. Advanced scouts pretty much have the same information that their counterparts on other teams have.

I get that it's a different animal but that still doesn't speak to anything more difficult than life as an NBA assitant

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I'm surprised Indiana went with a 63 year old coach who doesn't have any coaching experience on the college level. Not taking anything away from Woodson; he's been a good NBA head coach and I'm sure he will be fine on the practice court and during games, but a lot of your success in college begins and ends with recruiting. Recruiting is a tireless and ruthless job; hopefully he hires young, up and coming assistant coaches with high school and AAU connections in the midwest. He would be best served grabbing an AAU or High school coach from the Indiana area.

The fact that Indiana hired Woodson tells me that the Indy job isn't as coveted as they think it should be. Surprised they couldn't get a young, up an coming college coach to take that job. Not only does the tournament increase the draft stock of players, but it does the same with coaching. Andy Enfield had a great run in the tournament at Florida Gulf Coast back in 2013 which helped him land the USC job. But like I said, maybe none of the coaches they identified wanted the job....

I wonder if it is as tireless and ruthless as an NBA assistant job or even in the same territory?

Recruiting at the highest level is ruthless. Recruiters are digging up every bit of dirt on their competitors during their presentations to players. Their likely telling half truths to one recruit while going after a higher ranking guy who plays the same position. Then there's the under the table compensation packages. Plus, Indiana has lost it's luster, so they have to dig in and try to find under the radar guys. That means more travel. Everything is out in the open with the NBA. Advanced scouts pretty much have the same information that their counterparts on other teams have.

I get that it's a different animal but that still doesn't speak to anything more difficult than life as an NBA assitant

Plus, there are the political aspects. Woods on is pretty much the face of Indiana now. He now now has to devote his time to non-basketball related crap. How many times did we hear Woody talk to the media this season? You're also a babysitter and have to worry about whether your kids are going to class. Everything he says is under more scrutiny. The level of responsibility is just greater.

So far you've only taken a shot at how it is different

martin wrote:

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I'm surprised Indiana went with a 63 year old coach who doesn't have any coaching experience on the college level. Not taking anything away from Woodson; he's been a good NBA head coach and I'm sure he will be fine on the practice court and during games, but a lot of your success in college begins and ends with recruiting. Recruiting is a tireless and ruthless job; hopefully he hires young, up and coming assistant coaches with high school and AAU connections in the midwest. He would be best served grabbing an AAU or High school coach from the Indiana area.

The fact that Indiana hired Woodson tells me that the Indy job isn't as coveted as they think it should be. Surprised they couldn't get a young, up an coming college coach to take that job. Not only does the tournament increase the draft stock of players, but it does the same with coaching. Andy Enfield had a great run in the tournament at Florida Gulf Coast back in 2013 which helped him land the USC job. But like I said, maybe none of the coaches they identified wanted the job....

I wonder if it is as tireless and ruthless as an NBA assistant job or even in the same territory?

Recruiting at the highest level is ruthless. Recruiters are digging up every bit of dirt on their competitors during their presentations to players. Their likely telling half truths to one recruit while going after a higher ranking guy who plays the same position. Then there's the under the table compensation packages. Plus, Indiana has lost it's luster, so they have to dig in and try to find under the radar guys. That means more travel. Everything is out in the open with the NBA. Advanced scouts pretty much have the same information that their counterparts on other teams have.

I get that it's a different animal but that still doesn't speak to anything more difficult than life as an NBA assitant

Plus, there are the political aspects. Woods on is pretty much the face of Indiana now. He now now has to devote his time to non-basketball related crap. How many times did we hear Woody talk to the media this season? You're also a babysitter and have to worry about whether your kids are going to class. Everything he says is under more scrutiny. The level of responsibility is just greater.

So far you've only taken a shot at how it is different

No, I've listed the ADDITIONAL responsibility Woodson now has. He's no longer worried about cos and development. Now, he's effectively the GM along with being a high profile state employee. The level of scrutiny and pressure is way higher than it was when he was just sitting on the bench. To this day, we still don't what the the totality if Woody's responsibilities here we're, because no one really cares.

It's an odd take to compare two things while admitting not knowing about one of them

I have a general idea of what an assistant coach does. But each bench is different and responsibilities aren't necessarily the same across all teams. That said, I'm confident saying that Woody's responsibilities will see a significant increase. Also, seeing the recent history of that program, he'll probably get fired in four years. I hope not tho and I'm wishing Woody the best.

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Don't the Knicks already have that with Isaiah?

and i think their kentucky connect (CAA) was already their prior to the hiring of payne.

Main point here is Mike Woodson has reached out to 80 year old Larry Brown whom himself was an assistant to. This for a non recruiting role. Larry can teach the game and a younger staff. Fact is everyone would be younger! We forget Woodson was on Detroits staff when Larry was there and then got the head job in ATL.

And good to hear one Kudo’s to Dolan for releasing Woodson from his contract. Fact is to do anything less than gracious would be another public relations hit for him.

Interesting to have read that Thibs really had no intimate history with Woodson, Payne and Bryant and it was front office that. Thibs has some of his dudes of course.

If Johnny Bryant is a “star-maker” in the NBA that has to be a valuable commodity that might not translate to a place like UT. Glad he is here and perhaps some credit to him for RJ’s rise.

I’m kind of impressed by Taj’s play this season. Seems to be a good fit with this feel good season!