TheGame wrote:What Lonzo brings is a pass first PG who can run the fast break and setup other players at a high level. Payton is a decent passer but he is not Lonzo’s level as a passer and neither is Rose or IQ. Lonzo would be an instant upgrade in facilitating more passing with the starters and now that he has improved his 3pt shot, defenses cannot play off of him like to do Payton. Plus, Lonzo has the height to play off ball with IQ, who I think will turn into a Jamal Crawford/Lou Williams type scorer, but who is probably not going to run the offense as a full time pg. This summer’s goal should be to sign Lonzo (3-4 year deal), resign Noel (2-3 year deal) and probably resign Burke’s and/or Bullock (1-2 year deals). I then probably package Frank with Knox and one of our first rounders to move up in the draft, since our picks will likely be in the 15-22 range.

Sounds about right.

Unless we have to give the pelicans 2 picks and a player for Lonzo UFA

It would come down to a bidding war with other teams and I do t think we want to spend more than 20m on him.

I think ball would put the Knicks as a top 3 destination. if he really wants ny he would take 17m

But yea there will be games played for his services between the pelicans and teams interested in him.

TheGame wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:

TheGame wrote:What Lonzo brings is a pass first PG who can run the fast break and setup other players at a high level. Payton is a decent passer but he is not Lonzo’s level as a passer and neither is Rose or IQ. Lonzo would be an instant upgrade in facilitating more passing with the starters and now that he has improved his 3pt shot, defenses cannot play off of him like to do Payton. Plus, Lonzo has the height to play off ball with IQ, who I think will turn into a Jamal Crawford/Lou Williams type scorer, but who is probably not going to run the offense as a full time pg. This summer’s goal should be to sign Lonzo (3-4 year deal), resign Noel (2-3 year deal) and probably resign Burke’s and/or Bullock (1-2 year deals). I then probably package Frank with Knox and one of our first rounders to move up in the draft, since our picks will likely be in the 15-22 range.

Sounds about right.

Unless we have to give the pelicans 2 picks and a player for Lonzo bird rights.

He is a restricted FA. We just have to sign him and hope New Orleans doesn’t match. We may be able to workout a sign and trade but those type deals in restricted free agency usually only require a second round pick and maybe a player because the former team does not have much leverage (if they are talking trade then they probably were not going to match the contract anyway so they have little leverage to demand more).

Good info. Thanks

Jmpasq wrote:

TheGame wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:

TheGame wrote:What Lonzo brings is a pass first PG who can run the fast break and setup other players at a high level. Payton is a decent passer but he is not Lonzo’s level as a passer and neither is Rose or IQ. Lonzo would be an instant upgrade in facilitating more passing with the starters and now that he has improved his 3pt shot, defenses cannot play off of him like to do Payton. Plus, Lonzo has the height to play off ball with IQ, who I think will turn into a Jamal Crawford/Lou Williams type scorer, but who is probably not going to run the offense as a full time pg. This summer’s goal should be to sign Lonzo (3-4 year deal), resign Noel (2-3 year deal) and probably resign Burke’s and/or Bullock (1-2 year deals). I then probably package Frank with Knox and one of our first rounders to move up in the draft, since our picks will likely be in the 15-22 range.

Sounds about right.

Unless we have to give the pelicans 2 picks and a player for Lonzo bird rights.

He is a restricted FA. We just have to sign him and hope New Orleans doesn’t match. We may be able to workout a sign and trade but those type deals in restricted free agency usually only require a second round pick and maybe a player because the former team does not have much leverage (if they are talking trade then they probably were not going to match the contract anyway so they have little leverage to demand more). I think Lonzo would be worth a salary in the $17-$20 million a year range. $17 million a year is an ideal deal but we are probably going to have to do a slight overplay to get him.

I think they might match to keep him as an asset. He could be used in a trade down the road.

A poison pill type of contract is very possible. And if Pels match it's not going to be a very tradable asset

xblvdels3 wrote:The Knicks have 4 picks this year. Either we are getting Lonzo ball or we will use all our picks to move up.

im ok with that. I'm not sure if its enough to get a top tier player.

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I don’t know if our FO wants him and how much, but as far as it looks, there have been no serious contacts before the deadline and in fact the only rumor is the one placed by his camp that NY is one of his preferred destinations.

He is RFA this summer, but I'm afraid the team that wants to bring him that way will have to overpay a lot.

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fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Lets say Knicks sign Lonzo for the 20 million a year he wants. Who do we bring back who is coming off the books? Who else should the FO pursue in free agency?

Mitch/Noel would be a great anchor for the D, going forward. Hope we can bring Noel back.

They will match at 20 million

Is Ball worth that? You are banking heavily that his upward trend continues.

Ball is an excellent defender. Very good rebounding guard. Very good passer.
First time in 4 years he's averaging respectable shooting %s
Would be a good fit at PG for Thibs with his defense and size
Not a good half court player.
Doesnt create his own shot
Never gets to the FT line
Offense consists of shooting 3s at varying success

Is this the player you want to throw $100mm+ at?

Lonzo is good at $15mm ish. He's a role player. Supporting cast and he's only OK at that.

Ok ayo dosunmo it is then at pick 15

Or

Tell me your pg we can get that is over the hill that you are a fan of?

Dosunmo or rose starts since your very concerned over a down hill pg

And have iq and ball at the 1 and 2 off the bench lol problem solved (sarcasm)

Reasons for ball.(not in order)

1. Has to fit timeline to be an asset we could potential ship in a monster trade down the line
2. Has to fit timeline of group
3. We are looking to be good for 2020-2033 not 2020-2023
4. Nobody said Lonzo is our savior offensively.
5. We will be signing another all star caliber player
6. If he can sustain his current level of production and get slightly better, that’s exactly what we need
7 if we ge ball we will trade 2 picks and players to be named at draft. This will free 3 million of cap so really he would cost us 17m because we didn’t sign 2 rookie picks

Which would leave 30m + available for the next 2 seasons to find our perfect blend

Or trade all 4 picks and like Knox and Toppin and move up to get suggs

Or

Ayo dosunmo and rose it is!

Or

Your over the hill vet you have in mind?

I understand all your reasons and he fills a position of need. The question is how well does he fill that and is he worth the cost?

His current level of production is NOT worth what it takes to sign him, unless you are banking on him taking a Julius Randle type of leap

xavier wrote:I’m actually pretty surprised the Bulls weren’t a little more aggressive and tried to bring him in before the deadline. But who knows, maybe they did, but the Pelicans asked for way too much.

I don’t know if our FO wants him and how much, but as far as it looks, there have been no serious contacts before the deadline and in fact the only rumor is the one placed by his camp that NY is one of his preferred destinations.

He is RFA this summer, but I'm afraid the team that wants to bring him that way will have to overpay a lot.

I don't know how a fan makes that type of statement

Believe this offseason we're going to see Rose try to put his own stamp on the roster with some big FA signings, easier if we're a playoff team.

I think there is a good chance that Lonzo will be one of them. Seems to be mutual interest.