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xblvdels3
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3/18/2021  1:20 PM
martin wrote:Feel like if you are going to try to trade for Lonzo he will come at the cost of also having to absorb Bledsoe not Redick (or both) plus a first round pick. That would be the baseline.

Bledsoe has a $3.9M guarantee for 2022-23 season and makes $18M next year.


That’s interesting. Thanks. Idk. I’m just a spectator at this point 😁
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3/18/2021  1:36 PM
xblvdels3 wrote:
martin wrote:Feel like if you are going to try to trade for Lonzo he will come at the cost of also having to absorb Bledsoe not Redick (or both) plus a first round pick. That would be the baseline.

Bledsoe has a $3.9M guarantee for 2022-23 season and makes $18M next year.


That’s interesting. Thanks. Idk. I’m just a spectator at this point 😁

I am too and don't follow or know what NOP is thinking but think Bledsoe is fairly dead weight to them. Redick has made some noise about playing elsewhere but no one is giving up assets for him and his $13M contract; IMHO he will be bought out. Trading Bledsoe saves the team $25M+ in a player who has zero longevity for the team

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3/18/2021  1:38 PM
xblvdels3 wrote:
martin wrote:Feel like if you are going to try to trade for Lonzo he will come at the cost of also having to absorb Bledsoe not Redick (or both) plus a first round pick. That would be the baseline.

Bledsoe has a $3.9M guarantee for 2022-23 season and makes $18M next year.


That’s interesting. Thanks. Idk. I’m just a spectator at this point 😁

For once, I can say someone else's cap is horrible!
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3/18/2021  1:43 PM
martin wrote:Feel like if you are going to try to trade for Lonzo he will come at the cost of also having to absorb Bledsoe not Redick (or both) plus a first round pick. That would be the baseline.

Bledsoe has a $3.9M guarantee for 2022-23 season and makes $18M next year.

That sounds logical. But personally I wouldn’t put no more than 20m on our books for that trade.


The reason is if we can’t sign another all star with the remaining cap we are not going anywhere.
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3/18/2021  1:46 PM
xblvdels3 wrote:
martin wrote:Feel like if you are going to try to trade for Lonzo he will come at the cost of also having to absorb Bledsoe not Redick (or both) plus a first round pick. That would be the baseline.

Bledsoe has a $3.9M guarantee for 2022-23 season and makes $18M next year.

That sounds logical. But personally I wouldn’t put no more than 20m on our books for that trade.


The reason is if we can’t sign another all star with the remaining cap we are not going anywhere.

Which free agent all star are you talking about for next offseason though? There really aren't any.

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3/18/2021  1:54 PM
martin wrote:
xblvdels3 wrote:
martin wrote:Feel like if you are going to try to trade for Lonzo he will come at the cost of also having to absorb Bledsoe not Redick (or both) plus a first round pick. That would be the baseline.

Bledsoe has a $3.9M guarantee for 2022-23 season and makes $18M next year.

That sounds logical. But personally I wouldn’t put no more than 20m on our books for that trade.


The reason is if we can’t sign another all star with the remaining cap we are not going anywhere.

Which free agent all star are you talking about for next offseason though? There really aren't any.


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3/18/2021  1:57 PM
xblvdels3 wrote:
martin wrote:
xblvdels3 wrote:
martin wrote:Feel like if you are going to try to trade for Lonzo he will come at the cost of also having to absorb Bledsoe not Redick (or both) plus a first round pick. That would be the baseline.

Bledsoe has a $3.9M guarantee for 2022-23 season and makes $18M next year.

That sounds logical. But personally I wouldn’t put no more than 20m on our books for that trade.


The reason is if we can’t sign another all star with the remaining cap we are not going anywhere.

Which free agent all star are you talking about for next offseason though? There really aren't any.


Lavine? 2022 ufa

I don't think you and I are talking about the same things.

Bledsoe to make $18M next year 2021-22 and only has a guarantee of $3.9M for 2022-23.

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3/18/2021  4:23 PM
martin wrote:Feel like if you are going to try to trade for Lonzo he will come at the cost of also having to absorb Bledsoe not Redick (or both) plus a first round pick. That would be the baseline.

Bledsoe has a $3.9M guarantee for 2022-23 season and makes $18M next year.

Wow, if we have to absorb Bledsoe to get Lonzo, plus give up a first round pick, I don't know if I can pull the trigger on that one. Bledsoe is subtraction by addition.
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3/18/2021  6:42 PM
The short answer is no. Lonzo is a good player. I don't want to give up the first round pick or take on long-term cap space or give up a foundational Young piece to get him. If I had to absorb a year of Eric bledsoe and not play him, I would pull the trigger on that if it meant not having to give up first.
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3/18/2021  8:34 PM
Welpee wrote:
martin wrote:Feel like if you are going to try to trade for Lonzo he will come at the cost of also having to absorb Bledsoe not Redick (or both) plus a first round pick. That would be the baseline.

Bledsoe has a $3.9M guarantee for 2022-23 season and makes $18M next year.

Wow, if we have to absorb Bledsoe to get Lonzo, plus give up a first round pick, I don't know if I can pull the trigger on that one. Bledsoe is subtraction by addition.

I’d rather take my chances in RFA with Lonzo than pay that price. Would be a good addition but not enough to handicap us next two years. The play for Lonzo could be a first rd pick. Maybe a Frank N swap, RFA for RFA not really worth much more to me.

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3/18/2021  8:40 PM
The Lonzo situation is starting to get ugly for the Pelicans. Lavar has finally made his presence felt lobbying an exit from the Pelicans for Lonzo. After hearing Lavar's reason for his displeasure im not too sure the knicks is the right fit. I think Thibs will continue to use Randle and RJ as a secondary and supporting playmaker even if Lonzo finds his way to the knicks, which is basically is his current displeasure with the Pelicans with the roles of Zion and Ingram.

If somehow WWW can control Lavar then im ok to continue with the pursuit.
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3/18/2021  8:56 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
Welpee wrote:
martin wrote:Feel like if you are going to try to trade for Lonzo he will come at the cost of also having to absorb Bledsoe not Redick (or both) plus a first round pick. That would be the baseline.

Bledsoe has a $3.9M guarantee for 2022-23 season and makes $18M next year.

Wow, if we have to absorb Bledsoe to get Lonzo, plus give up a first round pick, I don't know if I can pull the trigger on that one. Bledsoe is subtraction by addition.

I’d rather take my chances in RFA with Lonzo than pay that price. Would be a good addition but not enough to handicap us next two years. The play for Lonzo could be a first rd pick. Maybe a Frank N swap, RFA for RFA not really worth much more to me.

This.

As mentioned on another thread, it comes down to if the Knicks or Pels believe Lonzo is a long-term max player. If Pels think he is they will not trade him but rather extend his contract prior to FA. Additionally, If Pels do not think he is a long-term max player, they will try to get some desperate team to overpay for him before this year's trade deadline. See no reason why the Knicks should be that desperate team? Feel it's best to just wait and hope the Pels do not get that crazy offer and therefore make Lonzo available in the summer during RFA period. Which would mean that they would be less likely to match a considerable offer. Which the Knicks would only make IF THEY thought Lonzo was a future long-term max-type player.

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3/18/2021  9:00 PM
Jimbo5 wrote:The Lonzo situation is starting to get ugly for the Pelicans. Lavar has finally made his presence felt lobbying an exit from the Pelicans for Lonzo. After hearing Lavar's reason for his displeasure im not too sure the knicks is the right fit. I think Thibs will continue to use Randle and RJ as a secondary and supporting playmaker even if Lonzo finds his way to the knicks, which is basically is his current displeasure with the Pelicans with the roles of Zion and Ingram.

If somehow WWW can control Lavar then im ok to continue with the pursuit.

The timing can't be a coincidence. Rumors about Lonzo and the Knicks popped up a day or 2 ago. Then all of a sudden, Lavar Ball comes out with this statement after being quiet for some time. Typically, if a player wants out, he becomes a distraction ( see Harden, AD, etc.) Lonzo ain't the type but his father is. Wouldn't be surprised if there has been some behind the scenes convos. Our front office is well connected....
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3/18/2021  9:41 PM
Absorbing Bledsoe...do we have to play him?
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3/19/2021  8:31 AM
I like Lonzo alot, but I would be reluctant to give up a first round pick for him. Not when we can just sign him as a RFA this summer. I know the Pelicans might match, but they just drafted Kira Lewis this year and they have Bledsoe. I don't think they are breaking the bank to resign Ball, when they just paid Ingram the max and will have to pay Zion big bucks. They are a small market team. We would have better leverage if we trade for Ball now, but the Pelicans are going to demand at least one first round pick and a player. I would take the gamble and just wait until the summer and make Ball an offer then. Now if we could get Ball for maybe Knox, $3 million in cash, and our second round pick and maybe another future second round pick, then I would do it.
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3/19/2021  8:52 AM
I'm a little in doubt here. On the one hand, I wouldn’t give any significant assets to him since he’s a free agent soon, and on the other hand, bringing in someone who’s an RFA means you have to overpay him a lot so his team doesn’t match the offer.

Ball is an OK solution. He’s not a star, but I think he would fit in well with this team.
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3/19/2021  9:33 AM
Go listen to the Lavar sound bites. Then imagine any scenario where he ain’t happy and its louder and louder!
I like the kid and perhaps his game is still on the rise.
His trade value the next 6 days will be interesting to know what other teams are offering. Also what it will take to lock him up for 4 years.
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3/19/2021  11:41 AM
Clippers getting involved. Let them deal with Lavar.
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3/19/2021  11:44 AM
MaTT4281 wrote:Clippers getting involved. Let them deal with Lavar.


With no assets? Good luck to them
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3/19/2021  11:46 AM
Clippers don't have a 1st until 2027
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