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3/15/2021  11:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/15/2021  11:56 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I think the logic here is the Knicks play with a 5 under thibs and Andre is a guy who has proven talent.
The absolute best visual of why we should stay clear of Drummond. But I assume somebody is going to claim the reason he's so horrible at the rim is either because of his head coach or his teammates.
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3/16/2021  12:03 AM
NYStateOfMind wrote:I do find it funny how most threads on Drummond are negative, fluffed stats, blah blah blah. But it is ironic that the top 2 suitors who want Andre, are the Lakers and Nets. 2 teams that are elite see him as a positive addition. I do, but somehow most don't. Imagine if Thibs & staff show him how to play defense.
They are also teams with enough talent to camouflage his weaknesses. Just because Lebron is capable of making Drummond look viable doesn't mean he would do the same coming here. Thibs isn't some magician who can sprinkle dust on any player and make them good on defense. How good was DSJ on defense? How about Knox?
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3/16/2021  12:38 AM
Welpee wrote:
NYStateOfMind wrote:I do find it funny how most threads on Drummond are negative, fluffed stats, blah blah blah. But it is ironic that the top 2 suitors who want Andre, are the Lakers and Nets. 2 teams that are elite see him as a positive addition. I do, but somehow most don't. Imagine if Thibs & staff show him how to play defense.
They are also teams with enough talent to camouflage his weaknesses. Just because Lebron is capable of making Drummond look viable doesn't mean he would do the same coming here. Thibs isn't some magician who can sprinkle dust on any player and make them good on defense. How good was DSJ on defense? How about Knox?

I don't know about that dude, we have primarily the same roster as last season (rank 20th in defense) and this season were tops in the league.

If you look at the top 10 teams in each conference, none of them have the assets to trade for him, and aside from the Lakers, Buck and NETs, no one else really needs him.

The knicks are getting next to nothing on the offensive end from the center position, fckng noel had zero points tonight, he didn't even have a shot attempt in 20 minutes, and we lost by 5.

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3/16/2021  3:42 AM
I am given james dolan permission to go get drummond buy trade after tonight loss let be petty team and grab drummond before nets get him. We aren't using knox, rivers, iggy brazdigs in rotation anyways and couple secound round picks.After tonight loss and way we got screwed it very simple screwed nets back if we aren't using knox, rivers, and iggy brazdigs let those guys get fresh start with the cavs. I think the knicks have to send message you screw us over like tonight game so we are going to screw the nets over .
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3/16/2021  4:51 AM
houston20 wrote:I am given james dolan permission to go get drummond buy trade after tonight loss let be petty team and grab drummond before nets get him. We aren't using knox, rivers, iggy brazdigs in rotation anyways and couple secound round picks.After tonight loss and way we got screwed it very simple screwed nets back if we aren't using knox, rivers, and iggy brazdigs let those guys get fresh start with the cavs. I think the knicks have to send message you screw us over like tonight game so we are going to screw the nets over .

Can you imagine Nash or D'Antoni trading for a plodding center?

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3/16/2021  5:50 AM
Rumors about Drummond are getting louder, now we allegedly want to "sign him on a multi-year contract".

As I wrote, I have nothing against him until the end of the season although I would prefer he signed after the buyout rather than through a trade. But if it’s true we want him on a multi-year contract, I’m just curious how the FO values him and whether that means then we don’t want Noel anymore.
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3/16/2021  7:14 AM
So bad. The franchise has done a few things right. Drummond will destroy any chance of building a winner. The guy is a horrific offensive player. Inefficent Bigs are the worst players in the NBA to have on your roster. The guy is worth maybe 12 million a year and we would have to give him 25. I suspect Thibs is behind this we nwed to keep him away from the roster building
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3/16/2021  8:24 AM
Jmpasq wrote:So bad. The franchise has done a few things right. Drummond will destroy any chance of building a winner. The guy is a horrific offensive player. Inefficent Bigs are the worst players in the NBA to have on your roster. The guy is worth maybe 12 million a year and we would have to give him 25. I suspect Thibs is behind this we nwed to keep him away from the roster building

18pts 13.8 rbs, almost 3 ast...mitch and noel don't avg that combine.

It wasn't too long ago people said how bad it was to bring Rose back, wasn't too long ago when the fan base wanted to kick randle to the curb.

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3/16/2021  8:55 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:So bad. The franchise has done a few things right. Drummond will destroy any chance of building a winner. The guy is a horrific offensive player. Inefficent Bigs are the worst players in the NBA to have on your roster. The guy is worth maybe 12 million a year and we would have to give him 25. I suspect Thibs is behind this we nwed to keep him away from the roster building

18pts 13.8 rbs, almost 3 ast...mitch and noel don't avg that combine.

It wasn't too long ago people said how bad it was to bring Rose back, wasn't too long ago when the fan base wanted to kick randle to the curb.

Fan base don’t factor into it.
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3/16/2021  10:46 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:So bad. The franchise has done a few things right. Drummond will destroy any chance of building a winner. The guy is a horrific offensive player. Inefficent Bigs are the worst players in the NBA to have on your roster. The guy is worth maybe 12 million a year and we would have to give him 25. I suspect Thibs is behind this we nwed to keep him away from the roster building

18pts 13.8 rbs, almost 3 ast...mitch and noel don't avg that combine.

It wasn't too long ago people said how bad it was to bring Rose back, wasn't too long ago when the fan base wanted to kick randle to the curb.

Randle yes. A lot were pissed with the spinover master. He proved a lot wrong.

Who was against Rose coming back? I thought people were saying only get him for peanuts. We gave them DSJr and a 2nd round pick. That's a pretty good trade.
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3/16/2021  11:40 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:So bad. The franchise has done a few things right. Drummond will destroy any chance of building a winner. The guy is a horrific offensive player. Inefficent Bigs are the worst players in the NBA to have on your roster. The guy is worth maybe 12 million a year and we would have to give him 25. I suspect Thibs is behind this we nwed to keep him away from the roster building

18pts 13.8 rbs, almost 3 ast...mitch and noel don't avg that combine.

It wasn't too long ago people said how bad it was to bring Rose back, wasn't too long ago when the fan base wanted to kick randle to the curb.

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3/16/2021  11:49 AM
houston20 wrote:I am given james dolan permission to go get drummond buy trade after tonight loss let be petty team and grab drummond before nets get him. We aren't using knox, rivers, iggy brazdigs in rotation anyways and couple secound round picks.After tonight loss and way we got screwed it very simple screwed nets back if we aren't using knox, rivers, and iggy brazdigs let those guys get fresh start with the cavs. I think the knicks have to send message you screw us over like tonight game so we are going to screw the nets over .

So you do understand that teams just don't do this right? Maybe in life you can get petty but you don't spend $14M just so a player doesn't go to a certain team

And the least likely team to pull this type of move is the Knicks. They are in the game to ACQUIRE assets not give them up

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3/16/2021  12:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/16/2021  12:59 PM
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Welpee wrote:
NYStateOfMind wrote:I do find it funny how most threads on Drummond are negative, fluffed stats, blah blah blah. But it is ironic that the top 2 suitors who want Andre, are the Lakers and Nets. 2 teams that are elite see him as a positive addition. I do, but somehow most don't. Imagine if Thibs & staff show him how to play defense.
They are also teams with enough talent to camouflage his weaknesses. Just because Lebron is capable of making Drummond look viable doesn't mean he would do the same coming here. Thibs isn't some magician who can sprinkle dust on any player and make them good on defense. How good was DSJ on defense? How about Knox?

I don't know about that dude, we have primarily the same roster as last season (rank 20th in defense) and this season were tops in the league.

If you look at the top 10 teams in each conference, none of them have the assets to trade for him, and aside from the Lakers, Buck and NETs, no one else really needs him.

The knicks are getting next to nothing on the offensive end from the center position, fckng noel had zero points tonight, he didn't even have a shot attempt in 20 minutes, and we lost by 5.

No doubt the team defense has drastically improved but that doesn't address that DSJ and Knox didn't. The point is we can't automatically assume someone who is individually horrible on defense will suddenly become good just because Thibs is his coach, especially someone how is generally an unwilling defender like Drummond. I think if Thibs got a hold of a player with solid defensive attributes and is willing to get better, he could do wonders.
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3/16/2021  1:24 PM
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Jmpasq wrote:So bad. The franchise has done a few things right. Drummond will destroy any chance of building a winner. The guy is a horrific offensive player. Inefficent Bigs are the worst players in the NBA to have on your roster. The guy is worth maybe 12 million a year and we would have to give him 25. I suspect Thibs is behind this we nwed to keep him away from the roster building

18pts 13.8 rbs, almost 3 ast...mitch and noel don't avg that combine.

It wasn't too long ago people said how bad it was to bring Rose back, wasn't too long ago when the fan base wanted to kick randle to the curb.

Drummond is the best example of a player who you have to look beyond their surface stats to see the complete picture of what their game is all about.
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NYStateOfMind wrote:
martin wrote:
NYStateOfMind wrote:I do find it funny how most threads on Drummond are negative, fluffed stats, blah blah blah. But it is ironic that the top 2 suitors who want Andre, are the Lakers and Nets. 2 teams that are elite see him as a positive addition. I do, but somehow most don't. Imagine if Thibs & staff show him how to play defense.

We all understand the scenarios between a team like the Knicks and Lakers/Brooklyn are completely different so why compare them as if they are the same?

Noel/Gibson COMBINED 4 pts 9 reb 2 ast 1 blk, that is why!

Also, if he is good enough for them, he should be more than good enough for the Knicks.

Drummond is the second best rebounder in the league after Capela. The guy is a machine and we have expendable assets
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xavier wrote:Rumors about Drummond are getting louder, now we allegedly want to "sign him on a multi-year contract".

As I wrote, I have nothing against him until the end of the season although I would prefer he signed after the buyout rather than through a trade. But if it’s true we want him on a multi-year contract, I’m just curious how the FO values him and whether that means then we don’t want Noel anymore.

If we sign Drummond long term we can then package Mitch with Randle and picks for a guy like Devin Booker
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NYStateOfMind wrote:
martin wrote:
NYStateOfMind wrote:I do find it funny how most threads on Drummond are negative, fluffed stats, blah blah blah. But it is ironic that the top 2 suitors who want Andre, are the Lakers and Nets. 2 teams that are elite see him as a positive addition. I do, but somehow most don't. Imagine if Thibs & staff show him how to play defense.

We all understand the scenarios between a team like the Knicks and Lakers/Brooklyn are completely different so why compare them as if they are the same?

Noel/Gibson COMBINED 4 pts 9 reb 2 ast 1 blk, that is why!

Also, if he is good enough for them, he should be more than good enough for the Knicks.

Drummond is the second best rebounder in the league after Capela. The guy is a machine and we have expendable assets

And he is a 2 time all star player. Why do you think he could be had for what amounted for 2 second round picks last year and is now sitting on the bench for CLE?

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3/16/2021  5:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/16/2021  6:45 PM
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Welpee wrote:
NYStateOfMind wrote:I do find it funny how most threads on Drummond are negative, fluffed stats, blah blah blah. But it is ironic that the top 2 suitors who want Andre, are the Lakers and Nets. 2 teams that are elite see him as a positive addition. I do, but somehow most don't. Imantingine if Thibs & staff show him how to play defense.
They are also teams with enough talent to camouflage his weaknesses. Just because Lebron is capable of making Drummond look viable doesn't mean he would do the same coming here. Thibs isn't some magician who can sprinkle dust on any player and make them good on defense. How good was DSJ on defense? How about Knox?

I don't know about that dude, we have primarily the same roster as last season (rank 20th in defense) and this season were tops in the league.

If you look at the top 10 teams in each conference, none of them have the assets to trade for him, and aside from the Lakers, Buck and NETs, no one else really needs him.

The knicks are getting next to nothing on the offensive end from the center position, fckng noel had zero points tonight, he didn't even have a shot attempt in 20 minutes, and we lost by 5.

The counting numbers are meaningless if it takes more shots to score. His effective FG percentage is horrific, his usage is sky high for a center. Noel and Mitch convert when they shoot. Who cares if he can get 20 if he takes 20 shots

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martin wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
NYStateOfMind wrote:
martin wrote:
NYStateOfMind wrote:I do find it funny how most threads on Drummond are negative, fluffed stats, blah blah blah. But it is ironic that the top 2 suitors who want Andre, are the Lakers and Nets. 2 teams that are elite see him as a positive addition. I do, but somehow most don't. Imagine if Thibs & staff show him how to play defense.

We all understand the scenarios between a team like the Knicks and Lakers/Brooklyn are completely different so why compare them as if they are the same?

Noel/Gibson COMBINED 4 pts 9 reb 2 ast 1 blk, that is why!

Also, if he is good enough for them, he should be more than good enough for the Knicks.

Drummond is the second best rebounder in the league after Capela. The guy is a machine and we have expendable assets

And he is a 2 time all star player. Why do you think he could be had for what amounted for 2 second round picks last year and is now sitting on the bench for CLE?

Everyday closer to the deadline the cavs lose leverage
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3/16/2021  5:41 PM
Welpee wrote:
NYStateOfMind wrote:I do find it funny how most threads on Drummond are negative, fluffed stats, blah blah blah. But it is ironic that the top 2 suitors who want Andre, are the Lakers and Nets. 2 teams that are elite see him as a positive addition. I do, but somehow most don't. Imagine if Thibs & staff show him how to play defense.
They are also teams with enough talent to camouflage his weaknesses. Just because Lebron is capable of making Drummond look viable doesn't mean he would do the same coming here. Thibs isn't some magician who can sprinkle dust on any player and make them good on defense. How good was DSJ on defense? How about Knox?

Yet, that is exactly what he has done with basically the same roster as last year. Maybe the Knicks defense also makes up for whatever you think he lacks. I would obviously prefer Nikola Vucevic if he became available, he is a B+ version of Jokic. Others have inquired, why not the Knicks?
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