martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:Rudy Gorbert is far more accomplished but gets paid 27.7mil.
Steve Adams gets 28mm.
Not saying Mitch is there. But 18-22 is a range that might be reality. doe that mean we pay him? Trade him? Test his value?
Where does scouts think he projects to in the next few. Years?

Steven Adams got extended so that NOP didn't trade for a guy that left after 1 season. This year he makes $28M but the next 2 are $17M and $18M.

Feel like Clint Capella is more the top line where Mitch would end up. Starting around $15M and going 4 years.

15m a season tops

Are you guys nuts, capela was a proven double double machine on a winning roster, and he was a 1st round pick.

Mitch is not a stretch big (or at least hasn't shown it in a real game) which is what most teams prefer, he's not a relentless rebounder, he's not leading the league in blocks, or even in the top 5, he can't play multiple positions, and centers are not a marquee position anymore, he has started 53 of a possible 154 games played, so why on earth would anyone pay him double digits per season .

70% of a players salary is based on what they have proven, 30% on POTENTIAL, which is what you guys are basing it on.

He is right around the NOEL price range, and that's being generous

You literally made that up and have zero basis for it.

Funny

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:Rudy Gorbert is far more accomplished but gets paid 27.7mil.
Steve Adams gets 28mm.
Not saying Mitch is there. But 18-22 is a range that might be reality. doe that mean we pay him? Trade him? Test his value?
Where does scouts think he projects to in the next few. Years?

Steven Adams got extended so that NOP didn't trade for a guy that left after 1 season. This year he makes $28M but the next 2 are $17M and $18M.

Feel like Clint Capella is more the top line where Mitch would end up. Starting around $15M and going 4 years.

15m a season tops

Are you guys nuts, capela was a proven double double machine on a winning roster, and he was a 1st round pick.

Mitch is not a stretch big (or at least hasn't shown it in a real game) which is what most teams prefer, he's not a relentless rebounder, he's not leading the league in blocks, or even in the top 5, he can't play multiple positions, and centers are not a marquee position anymore, he has started 53 of a possible 154 games played, so why on earth would anyone pay him double digits per season .

70% of a players salary is based on what they have proven, 30% on POTENTIAL, which is what you guys are basing it on.

He is right around the NOEL price range, and that's being generous

Just compared Clint to Mitch through their first three seasons. Mitch compares favorably. Could even argue Mitch is slightly better. I'd say they're about the same.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1=robinmi01&p1yrfrom=2019&p1yrto=2021&player_id2=capelca01&p2yrfrom=2015&p2yrto=2017

So my guesstimate of 15m was about right?

Capella got 13m off his rookie contract in 2018

Wasn’t Noel offered like 70m for 3 years a few years ago. He turned that Down in hopes of a better contract. It has been all down hill for him from there.

Robinson shouldn’t make the same mistake and take the 15m I’m
Offering lol

ESOMKnicks wrote:I thought we would have $56m under the cap this coming summer if we are to renounce all our FAs. Enough to sign Kawhi for about $40m after he declines his player option with the Clips. Then sign some aging PG like Conley and Lowry for a discounted price for a couple of years to let them chase their last championship window while nurturing IQ to take over afterwards. Resign Mitch Rob once above the cap. And a backup center from the scrap heap to some exception-type deal.

As for the cap, we are not buried and we have complete flexibility. If necessary and if we want it, we can have as much space as needed. I wrote in the first post who has what kind of contract. Everyone we have signed for next season has more than great contracts which means you can easily move them if you want to. The problem is that there will be no top free agents available. For this reason, there is no point in maximizing the space on the cap. So if there was a possibility of bringing Kawhi, of course we would make room. But that is not realistic.

I’m sure the FO will leave the Knicks flexible which means anyone who isn’t a core player for the future will be signed to one-year contracts or at least non-guaranteed which the team can easily get rid of.

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:Rudy Gorbert is far more accomplished but gets paid 27.7mil.
Steve Adams gets 28mm.
Not saying Mitch is there. But 18-22 is a range that might be reality. doe that mean we pay him? Trade him? Test his value?
Where does scouts think he projects to in the next few. Years?

Steven Adams got extended so that NOP didn't trade for a guy that left after 1 season. This year he makes $28M but the next 2 are $17M and $18M.

Feel like Clint Capella is more the top line where Mitch would end up. Starting around $15M and going 4 years.

15m a season tops

Are you guys nuts, capela was a proven double double machine on a winning roster, and he was a 1st round pick.

Mitch is not a stretch big (or at least hasn't shown it in a real game) which is what most teams prefer, he's not a relentless rebounder, he's not leading the league in blocks, or even in the top 5, he can't play multiple positions, and centers are not a marquee position anymore, he has started 53 of a possible 154 games played, so why on earth would anyone pay him double digits per season .

70% of a players salary is based on what they have proven, 30% on POTENTIAL, which is what you guys are basing it on.

He is right around the NOEL price range, and that's being generous

You literally made that up and have zero basis for it.

You have ZERO basis on giving him anything remotely close to 15 mill, what the heck are you bases that on?

He literally said “Capella”!
Then your went full Rainman and did the (Stretch) routine.

You asked a question, he gave you an answer. He gave you the basis. You might not feel stupid for missing it but you look it.

xavier wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:He is right around the NOEL price range, and that's being generous

I haven't even seen this. Wait, you mean you expect a contract on the level of this that Noel has with us? Really?! A player who is the anchor of our defense and has the potential to be one of the better defensive centers in the league? If that were the real value, the salary cap would be much too high. To you, 50 million per season is more than enough to put together a contender

That my argument with you, your paying him on potential, your the same type of fan that think young players shouldn't earn PT, just giving to them and let them figure it out on the fly. If you think mitch earned a super duper pay increase, you really are a homer.

The only person that would give mitch that kind of Money is STEVE MILLS, and judging from the modest contracts Leon gave Rivers, Burks, payton and NOEL, there's no way in hell Mitch will get anything close to what your saying.

How much has our defense suffer since he's been OUT.

I hoping the Pacers keep sliding downward because there are several players on that squad we can use..Myles, Sabonis, Brogdon, TJ

knicks1248 wrote:

xavier wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:He is right around the NOEL price range, and that's being generous

I haven't even seen this. Wait, you mean you expect a contract on the level of this that Noel has with us? Really?! A player who is the anchor of our defense and has the potential to be one of the better defensive centers in the league? If that were the real value, the salary cap would be much too high. To you, 50 million per season is more than enough to put together a contender

That my argument with you, your paying him on potential, your the same type of fan that think young players shouldn't earn PT, just giving to them and let them figure it out on the fly. If you think mitch earned a super duper pay increase, you really are a homer.

The only person that would give mitch that kind of Money is STEVE MILLS, and judging from the modest contracts Leon gave Rivers, Burks, payton and NOEL, there's no way in hell Mitch will get anything close to what your saying.

How much has our defense suffer since he's been OUT.

I hoping the Pacers keep sliding downward because there are several players on that squad we can use..Myles, Sabonis, Brogdon, TJ

Randle was paid on potential. By MIlls no less.
If Indy slides then you want the players that contributed to that?