GustavBahler wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:To me IQ definitely has the potential to be one of the better starting PGs in the league. Which is why I would be reluctant to trade for anyone else in his spot who is not an elite superstar, like the likes of Lonzo.
Knox has a lot more motor this season, he looks different, hungry, plugged in. I still think he has a chance to develop. So does Frank. Too early to give up on them. Remember, they are both no older than IQ, and it takes time. Unless you are the Lakers, that everyone wants to play for because of the cachė, you build a championship team by nurturing your own talent, and it takes time.

I would not be against an IQ-RJ-Knox-Randle-Mitch lineup next season, with Frank spelling all three backcourt spots and Obi coming in for Randle. Then you need another center, hopefully with a shot, and a microwave scorer off the bench in the Allonzo Trier mode to fill out the rotation, and you got yourselves a pretty decent team.

While Lonzo isnt an elite superstar. Believe its fair to say that he's a rising star. He's also an elite defender, which Quickley isnt. Ball is bigger, can do a better job of slowing down elite PGs.
He's still getting better. Dont want to pay him elite $$$. Something competitive, that wont hit the cap too hard.

I like the idea of Quickley carving up second units.

IQ is already doing things that Lonzo was not doing in his first couple of years in the league. I think IQ will be better after 4 years in the league than Lonzo is right now, or even by the time IQ reaches the same age as Lonzo's right now.

"Player x has good game- he is the greatest ever, we must sign him for 20 years!!!!"

or

"Player x has bad game- he is a bust, he must be destroyed"

1. Elite wing
2. Top 15 pg

A lot depends on where we and Dallas end up in the draft.

Iq will let us know who he is and his job. It’s up to him. Maybe he tells us vs the nets tommorow,

Currently I have him slotted as a super 6 man.

So think team building. If he is coming off the bench hot for us what kind of players do we need to draft in the future that will complement his style.

We have a lot of pics coming. A goal going forward should also be building a bench that is better than half the nba teams through the draft.

We may not be able to build the super 3 but create a

(Super 10) of B+ players

If we discover that this won’t get us a ring then we trade our super 10 for a big 3 when it becomes a Available.

Master plan (blueprint)

So let’s continue thinking big and making intelligent choices.

20m per season

The following year we go after the big fish. Another all star sign with Randle

Not saying he is the best pg available. But for his skill, age, (price) it makes perfect sense.

He is worth just enough for us to be sable to sign another all star the following year.

He is not the savior. He is a functional contributor. We are building a team of borderline all stars.

In 3 years we may have 3 all stars on the team. Maybe 4 😅 lol

This is why they hired a cap specialist 😂

If we extend Randle or offer him a new contract next year we wouldn’t have 55m to get a all star and a 20m dollar pg.

Obviously once you have a players bird rights you can exceed salary cap.

This will be interesting to see what they do. But I still don’t think they will make a big trade in 10 days

Best case scenario is get lucky to get suggs in draft 😅

ESOMKnicks wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:To me IQ definitely has the potential to be one of the better starting PGs in the league. Which is why I would be reluctant to trade for anyone else in his spot who is not an elite superstar, like the likes of Lonzo.
Knox has a lot more motor this season, he looks different, hungry, plugged in. I still think he has a chance to develop. So does Frank. Too early to give up on them. Remember, they are both no older than IQ, and it takes time. Unless you are the Lakers, that everyone wants to play for because of the cachė, you build a championship team by nurturing your own talent, and it takes time.

I would not be against an IQ-RJ-Knox-Randle-Mitch lineup next season, with Frank spelling all three backcourt spots and Obi coming in for Randle. Then you need another center, hopefully with a shot, and a microwave scorer off the bench in the Allonzo Trier mode to fill out the rotation, and you got yourselves a pretty decent team.

While Lonzo isnt an elite superstar. Believe its fair to say that he's a rising star. He's also an elite defender, which Quickley isnt. Ball is bigger, can do a better job of slowing down elite PGs.
He's still getting better. Dont want to pay him elite $$$. Something competitive, that wont hit the cap too hard.

I like the idea of Quickley carving up second units.

IQ is already doing things that Lonzo was not doing in his first couple of years in the league. I think IQ will be better after 4 years in the league than Lonzo is right now, or even by the time IQ reaches the same age as Lonzo's right now.

Quickley is a more talented scorer. Ball is a better defender, playmaker. Sees the court better. Lonzo's rookie year, he wore his father's POS shoes. F'ed him up enough to miss a lot of games, time to heal.

An ideal scenario IMO, would be this lineup:

Ball
Quickley
Barrett
Randle
Robinson

Lonzo is one of the best on the ball defenders in the league. Thats who you want against the likes of Harden, Kyrie, Dame, Steph, etc..

SG was what Quickley played in college. Believe its a better fit for him. Focus more on getting buckets. Ball makes alley-oops as well as anyone, which would be ideal for our bigs.

Vmart wrote:I fail to see the difference between IQ and Trier.

Trier obviously offended the wrong person lol

Also if you sat iq down and said (be unselfish) he would understand. 😅

I saw the evidence. When he played with rose he immediately deferred to him.

When he was in college he listened and adjusted his game to fit the (team)

Huge difference!!!!!!! Ask his former college coach who still to the day raves about iq to his players.

knicks1248 wrote:THIBS is not starting IQ over payton and everybody knows this..

He loves his spark Off the bench so much that he started frank knowing damn well IQ is 20x better

Jeez, Thibs does what he thinks will win games. He thinks of things you can’t allow your brain to even imagine.
Its who finishes, not who starts. IQ if he is not hitting his shots is not as well rounded a player as Payton or Frank at this moment in time. Payton does a lot of things to help the team.
In time it all gets sorted out.
It does not take a much thought to think a player with injury and consistancy issues into his RFA year with 3 picks on the table likey won’t be here next year. To take pride as if this is some special clever thought process and boost to self esteem makes for great comedic relief!

GustavBahler wrote:I see more instant offense than I see floor general. Would rather the FO try to get Lonzo in the offseason.

That's what most of us see because that's the role Thibs and put him in. When everyone is healthy, Quick will get 12-16 mins off the bench to be an instant aprk off the bench. If you notice, when he's in with the second unit, the playbook shrinks and its a steady diet of PNR's. When Quick does get a rare opportunity to get extended mins with the starters, the playbook opens up and not only does he score but he is very unselfish and moves the ball. We saw it against the Hawks when he played the last 4 mins when he penetrated and found RJ for an open 3 to put the game away....We saw it against Chicago when Elf got benched in the 4th..we saw it yesterday.

All I'm saying is, lets give Quick a chance to fail at running the offense before we assume he can't.

Uptown wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I see more instant offense than I see floor general. Would rather the FO try to get Lonzo in the offseason.

Do you need a floor general with Point Forward Randle out there, or do you need shooting to open the floor for RJ and Randle?

Agreed...Quick's ability to space the floor makes more sense if we are running the offense through Randle anyway. As I said earlier, there was a stretch in the 4th quarter where Dortz, OKC's best perimeter defender was guarding Quick, not RJ. Quick's presence opens up the game everyone.

Im sure you've both noticed that teams are starting to double Randle more often. He will likely see a lot more of this stategy going forward. You're asking Randle to be the primary scorer, run the offense, deal with being the focus of the defense, while near the top of the league in minutes.

Might as well ask him to do your taxes while your at it, ha ha.

Kidding aside, I like the idea of Randle being able to run the offense at times, when needed. Against giving him the job for the duration.

Ball can make use of our bigs on offense better than
Randle. Lonzo will get him the ball in spots where he has to work less. Doesnt have to expend as much energy to get a good look.

Quickley off the ball, like Randle, gives us a serious scoring punch. Lonzo would give us a playoff quality defender. A floor general who can distribute the ball, make his teammates job easier. While being a legit 3 point threat, as well as a threat at the rim. Lonzo's size and ability to guard elite PGs cant be understated.