martin wrote:Feel like we need a refresher on how to negotiate a trade (and please help me out if I miss anything) and then topped off with some questions that need answering about fit.

The landscape: Drummond will be an UFA at the end of the year, so he is a rental at worst and literally any team can bid for his services. I don't think his Bird Rights or whatnot really come into play here for the team that has him on their roster at the end of this season (versus a guy like Jrue Holiday). Drummond had previously been traded for 2 guys who are out of the league (and the circumstances were a bit different last year but also reveal his market value) and the lesser or 2 teams' second round pick in 2023 (CLE and GS); yes it's almost a protected 2nd round pick when one of the teams is GS. This season is just almost halfway done, so this is a 35+ game player rental.

You are not trading for Drummond to pick up games where Mitch is not playing. Realistically, with the all star game coming up, the Drummond/Mitch'less games will be about 10 or so at most, and then after that you are just taking AWAY from Mitch's development as a starter and benching capable guys Nerlens and Taj for no particular reason.

All front offices are trained to be as RUTHLESS as possible with their counterparts, so you don't just willy-nilly say you would give up cost controlled young players AND a first round pick; that's insanity and reserved for GM's who are better off being department heads at a local Walmart. You start with an offer that matches Andre's current value - give or take made only months ago when he was traded for a 2nd round pick that is protected out to like 50 or so and then throw in some dead weight. A first round pick in this year's draft should be reserved for Dolan's wet dreams of Andrea Bargnani level swaps.

Will Drummond help Mitch or take playing time away? Will Drummond help the defense or just make it worse? What the hell does Drummond do well on offense? He is a ball stopper on O, a very good rebounder and what else?

You can get him for FREE in a couple of months, so why give up ANY assets this side of a second round pick in 2024?

I don’t see Mitch getting back before the beginning of April, so maybe closer to 20-25 games he will miss. It’s hard to project since the 2nd half schedule isn’t published yet and we don’t know how much time will be required for Covid make up games. With the rehab portion being 4-6 weeks, again, an unknown. I can’t confidently say it’s 20-25 games missed or 10 games missed.

Don’t want to split hairs, but Mitch is sorely missed. There aren’t that many wins separating 7th place from 13th place. I think if playoffs are the goal, a move needs to be made. If Drummond can be had for a 2nd and filler I think you consider it. When Mitch comes back, how bad could Drummond be with the 2nd unit?

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Dumb.
That’s what they said about wines Kanters as well. He’s been a godsend for Portland. Everything is situational. We’re better with Drummond than Noel — no question. That’s the whole thing— trade two guys not playing. Give them a chance elsewhere for a player that makes us better now— with 0 commitment. That’s a good trade.

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smackeddog wrote:Berman seems to be campaigning for him- that's 2 articles now saying we should trade for him. Hope he's not doing it on This behalf, I want no part of Drummond.

If u took Knox and Frank off the team and added Drummond its a no brainer of a trade. Mitch is gone for two months. Noel is a great back up.

Because you trade for him, he has zero impact on wins but risks completely messing up chemistry- Noel get's p'd off, Mitch gets p'd off, then when Mitch returns Drummond get's p'd off. Why do you think the Cavs want rid of him for nothing? Why did the Pistons want rid of him for nothing before that?

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BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Berman seems to be campaigning for him- that's 2 articles now saying we should trade for him. Hope he's not doing it on This behalf, I want no part of Drummond.

If u took Knox and Frank off the team and added Drummond its a no brainer of a trade. Mitch is gone for two months. Noel is a great back up.

Because you trade for him, he has zero impact on wins but risks completely messing up chemistry- Noel get's p'd off, Mitch gets p'd off, then when Mitch returns Drummond get's p'd off. Why do you think the Cavs want rid of him for nothing? Why did the Pistons want rid of him for nothing before that?

Well, let's think about this for a bit before writing this idea off...Jalen Suggs, John Kuminga, Jalen Green, Evan Mobley...I mean, Drummond is talented. Maybe it may be worth it to take a shot at him.

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BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Berman seems to be campaigning for him- that's 2 articles now saying we should trade for him. Hope he's not doing it on This behalf, I want no part of Drummond.

If u took Knox and Frank off the team and added Drummond its a no brainer of a trade. Mitch is gone for two months. Noel is a great back up.

Because you trade for him, he has zero impact on wins but risks completely messing up chemistry- Noel get's p'd off, Mitch gets p'd off, then when Mitch returns Drummond get's p'd off. Why do you think the Cavs want rid of him for nothing? Why did the Pistons want rid of him for nothing before that?

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smackeddog wrote:

Clips can be cherry picked, but the numbers don't lie. Drummond would destroy this offense if he came here and had a decent usage...but he would definitely help a stealthy tank. Let's sign him!

If it was a stealthy tank you wanted, we should have just kept DSJ and started him😂

BRIGGS wrote:We have a good coach. He would use Drummond the right way. Same stuff with Enes Kanter cancer scks eats space up. Nurkic goes down and they are 18-10 plus 11 wins with Kanter at Center. Portland is 18-10

Its a dumb argument Drummond can find his spots and hes way better than Noel--we get him literally free--whats the downside Im not sure I follow?

I don’t see signing Drummond as a valid replacement for Robinson. Dollar for dollar, Robinson is a gem. His injury isn’t the thing that takes this team out of championship conversations. MRob is growing as a player under this coaching and is doing the right things. His 1.8mm salary is an asset and will allow serious flexibility to finish the roster before we “cap out”

Drummond is a monster at 280. His rebounding is elite. This staff would be more likely to put him back into the 2018/19 defensive win share category - closer to Detroit than Cle. But, he can be frustrating as a player on offense with some of the worst offensive sequences in the NBA. I’m not putting him in the Boogie category.

If the Knicks were making a move that required Robinson be included, I’d be more ok with a move for Drummond. But as it stands, I don’t see the improvement to justify 25mm more in positional salary. And that cap hold will tie us up a bit this offseason.

Dollar for dollar, I am not sure the improvement is so much greater that we should spend our dollars here instead of at SF and PG.

SupremeCommander wrote:I would trade a 2022 second for him or something like that

I'm not sure he's a fit here but I think he is.. why not try it out for a year and see? Adding Rose and Drummond would be a huge talent infusion and I'm sick of not making the playoffs... short sighted? Possibly. But i doubt what we'd give up would hang more of an impact than half a season of Drummond, CLE got him for peanuts

Early in the season the guy was beating the Knicks by himself. We have two young guys who need a second chance. We lost our C— we could stand a new one. What exactly is the issue— he’s gonna disrupt our championship caliber chemistry here?
Downside of trade? Zero upside? Possibly good to great. No brainer