jrodmc wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

wargames wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Juliano wrote:

wargames wrote:He’s been injured and then COVID protocols. I still think he might get some minutes once he gets healthy

I doubt they're gonna play him, they wouldn't want him injured while they can still package him in a trade. It's not happening for him here, and the likelihood is it's not going to happen at NBA level either save for maybe a couple of seasons.

Look, We’ll see what happens. Everyone has been counting the kid out but he actually plays well when given minutes.

So why won't the play him when he's healthy?

He hasn’t been healthy since his last game. The photos they shared of him showed he was in a leg brace under his leg compression sleeves and Thibs gave a statement about how it takes time to heal, and then he got put under COVID protocols

did you miss this on 1/25/21

Though Frank Ntilikina was made available after a 3 ½-week absence with a sprained left knee, Knicks coach Tom Thibodeau bluntly said the club’s 2017 lottery pick doesn’t yet have a playing role.

The biggest question i have is why the hell this dude doesnt request a trade, he needs to fire his agent, Thibs is not going to play him with or without a healthy Rose, so why just sit on the bench in a contract yr...

The Knicks did Frank wrong. He was a Phil pick, Phil quit and the new Fizz/Perry regime hated him.

I wish Frank luck wherever he goes next offseason

I rather wish we would trade him and get something back for a former #8 pick. Even if it's just someone's 2nd round pick and a cup of coffee.

I hear you. Few years back when Nalod hoped knicks would increase number of picks, creating more opportunities, which increases chances, and more LUCK, the instances of Mitch and IQ are off spring.
You might fail more but a few good ones way out weight the outcome. Frank at the moment we drafted him was a good idea that did not execute.
Remember there was a window where KP fell to us instead of OK4. It was a bit of luck and when PHil wanted to trade him another window opened.
Hindsight makes us very smart but the key is “Do more”. AT some point teams do have to boil talent down into a few concentrated players and while this is so easy to type, its much harder to execute.
It would be great to get some value back but moving forward that might not happen. IQ making me forget some of our past mistakes. Randle has made us forget KP. We a game under .500.
I had us down for 22-25 win season. Happy to be wrong!1
Happy to not have Wall or Westbrook on this team. Like CP3 it’s not the player but the contracts. Haywood
ITs early still but big suprise here and in Charlotte. Ball and Haywood came without a trade and are really good! Haywood is healthy and maybe he stays that way. If so its a masterstroke.

jrodmc wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

wargames wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Juliano wrote:

wargames wrote:He’s been injured and then COVID protocols. I still think he might get some minutes once he gets healthy

I doubt they're gonna play him, they wouldn't want him injured while they can still package him in a trade. It's not happening for him here, and the likelihood is it's not going to happen at NBA level either save for maybe a couple of seasons.

Look, We’ll see what happens. Everyone has been counting the kid out but he actually plays well when given minutes.

So why won't the play him when he's healthy?

He hasn’t been healthy since his last game. The photos they shared of him showed he was in a leg brace under his leg compression sleeves and Thibs gave a statement about how it takes time to heal, and then he got put under COVID protocols

did you miss this on 1/25/21

Though Frank Ntilikina was made available after a 3 ½-week absence with a sprained left knee, Knicks coach Tom Thibodeau bluntly said the club’s 2017 lottery pick doesn’t yet have a playing role.

The biggest question i have is why the hell this dude doesnt request a trade, he needs to fire his agent, Thibs is not going to play him with or without a healthy Rose, so why just sit on the bench in a contract yr...

The Knicks did Frank wrong. He was a Phil pick, Phil quit and the new Fizz/Perry regime hated him.

I wish Frank luck wherever he goes next offseason

I rather wish we would trade him and get something back for a former #8 pick. Even if it's just someone's 2nd round pick and a cup of coffee.

Should have traded him in the offseason. They didn't resign & sign a combination of Payton, Bullock, Rivers, Burks with the expectations that Frank would play, lets be real. And there is no way that his value would increase throughout the season with that being the case. So if the fear was that they would look bad by selling low then it was a misstep. It realistically won't be a drastic one or anything. But would prefer them doing the right thing with someone's career. Let player find an opportunity elsewhere. They will probably make definitive decision by/or after the deadline.

HOWEVER, some may be shocked, but I think if there was ANY time to actually want to keep Frank, it would be now. Think that he showed promise last year towards the end. He has good shot mechanics and was becoming much more aggressive to the basket. We all know he is a high level defender. At his current value, I do not see any reason to trade him. If anything, this is the type of player the Knicks should be looking to add at the trade deadline. But then again I thought the same about Smith Jr. and getting Rose in return seems to be a big plus.

HofstraBBall wrote:Frank fans have had more excuses than any other those of any other player in Knick history. It was always the system, coach, other players , too much competition or him being on the wrong team. Yet guys like Mudiay, Burke, Dotson, Trier, Payton and even Ron freakin Baker found away to show something. And now this year with IQ. Fact is he was selected, I thought, to run the triangle. Basically another Ron Harper. Unfortunately, he has not even turned out to be that, has not stayed healthy enough or been consistent enough to be called anything but a bust.

HOWEVER, some may be shocked, but I think if there was ANY time to actually want to keep Frank, it would be now. Think that he showed promise last year towards the end. He has good shot mechanics and was becoming much more aggressive to the basket. We all know he is a high level defender. At his current value, I do not see any reason to trade him. If anything, this is the type of player the Knicks should be looking to add at the trade deadline. But then again I thought the same about Smith Jr. and getting Rose in return seems to be a big plus.

I'm in this boat with Frank BUT under certain circumstances that the coaching staff and FO would have to figure out.

His next salary for the Knicks should be in the $5-7M range at most. Also, has he accepted a wing player off the bench as his role or is he still hunting PG only duties?

After the Knicks nab one of Suggs/Cade with their first pick, IQ and Rose will be the 3 guards to handle the ball and Frank has no place as a PG in that core of guys.

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Frank fans have had more excuses than any other those of any other player in Knick history. It was always the system, coach, other players , too much competition or him being on the wrong team. Yet guys like Mudiay, Burke, Dotson, Trier, Payton and even Ron freakin Baker found away to show something. And now this year with IQ. Fact is he was selected, I thought, to run the triangle. Basically another Ron Harper. Unfortunately, he has not even turned out to be that, has not stayed healthy enough or been consistent enough to be called anything but a bust.

HOWEVER, some may be shocked, but I think if there was ANY time to actually want to keep Frank, it would be now. Think that he showed promise last year towards the end. He has good shot mechanics and was becoming much more aggressive to the basket. We all know he is a high level defender. At his current value, I do not see any reason to trade him. If anything, this is the type of player the Knicks should be looking to add at the trade deadline. But then again I thought the same about Smith Jr. and getting Rose in return seems to be a big plus.

I'm in this boat with Frank BUT under certain circumstances that the coaching staff and FO would have to figure out.

His next salary for the Knicks should be in the $5-7M range at most. Also, has he accepted a wing player off the bench as his role or is he still hunting PG only duties?

After the Knicks nab one of Suggs/Cade with their first pick, IQ and Rose will be the 3 guards to handle the ball and Frank has no place as a PG in that core of guys.

Guess we can all dream about Cade and Suggs. lol
Think his salary wont be an issue. Nor his acceptance of a role off the bench. I really see Frank as a better offensive version of Andre Roberson. Who btw just got signed by our friends in Brooklyn. But again, feel its more a question of how we use him and get highest value. Think if we trade him now we are selling low. Do not know what teams think he is worth. There have been stories out there from second or low 1st to a bag of donuts. I also do not hate our current roster and do not see any of the names mentioned helping us get drastically better.

Nor deals like this one that has us giving up other assets.
https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/02/17/nba-rumors-three-team-trade-andre-drummond-new-york-knicks/

HofstraBBall wrote:Frank fans have had more excuses than any other those of any other player in Knick history. It was always the system, coach, other players , too much competition or him being on the wrong team. Yet guys like Mudiay, Burke, Dotson, Trier, Payton and even Ron freakin Baker found away to show something. And now this year with IQ. Fact is he was selected, I thought, to run the triangle. Basically another Ron Harper. Unfortunately, he has not even turned out to be that, has not stayed healthy enough or been consistent enough to be called anything but a bust.

HOWEVER, some may be shocked, but I think if there was ANY time to actually want to keep Frank, it would be now. Think that he showed promise last year towards the end. He has good shot mechanics and was becoming much more aggressive to the basket. We all know he is a high level defender. At his current value, I do not see any reason to trade him. If anything, this is the type of player the Knicks should be looking to add at the trade deadline. But then again I thought the same about Smith Jr. and getting Rose in return seems to be a big plus.

He will be a RFA this coming offseason. While Knicks do have his rights, I don't foresee Rose matching any deal he possibly receives. Odds are highest that he either gets moved at the deadline for a future 2nd. Or he and the team agree to part ways after the season with no compensation returning to the Knicks.

Biggest issue with Frank *for the Knicks* other than consistent injury set backs is that he isn't a PG. I won't blame Frank for not being a PG. He has def improved his handle drastically since his rookie yr, as well as his FT & 3pt shooting. So he def worked on his game. His skill set though molded toward a 3&D, ball mover, role player who could cover PG, SG & some SFs. At the draft we all knew it was a strong possibility this is what he would mold to. So we can't say this is a surprise. And this is where the Knicks can be knocked for. As his role with the team should have been molded towards such. As a Knicks fan I would like my team to be able to have identified and adapted. Yet how many times was he paired with a PG given how many were brought in? Where he covered the oppsoing PG to disrupt him freeing up the PG from that responsibility. In return the PG set him up as well as the rest of the team of course for some open shots. Thus covering for the area that he lacks. Or the ying and the yang. This is usually what's expected out of team building if you don't have do it all superstars on your roster. And how many times was he ran out there as the PG to run the offense?

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