fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:All I want out of current roster is for r j to be more consistent.

100% agree. Perspective is his age (20). The good is he's shown really high level of play for stretches... like a good 15 games. Then he hits some walls for sure but the good part is there's plenty of video to watch on his success. I think Thibs is a great fit for RJ. RJ is a going to do anything for Thibs and show up early an stay late.

I also think at some point we trade for an elite player and that trade will include RJ/Mitch and some draft collateral. Likely for Booker (if you are near a wall, duck as Im throwing ****. I am assuming Cousins will be a Knick next year on a 3/$45mm type gig after he proves healthy and keeps his weight way down

I don’t think Boogie is a good fit for Thibs. Or vice versa. Boogie wears his emotion on his sleeve and I don’t think that will fly so well here.

EwingsGlass wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:All I want out of current roster is for r j to be more consistent.

100% agree. Perspective is his age (20). The good is he's shown really high level of play for stretches... like a good 15 games. Then he hits some walls for sure but the good part is there's plenty of video to watch on his success. I think Thibs is a great fit for RJ. RJ is a going to do anything for Thibs and show up early an stay late.

I also think at some point we trade for an elite player and that trade will include RJ/Mitch and some draft collateral. Likely for Booker (if you are near a wall, duck as Im throwing ****. I am assuming Cousins will be a Knick next year on a 3/$45mm type gig after he proves healthy and keeps his weight way down

I don’t think Boogie is a good fit for Thibs. Or vice versa. Boogie wears his emotion on his sleeve and I don’t think that will fly so well here.

fishmike wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:All I want out of current roster is for r j to be more consistent.

100% agree. Perspective is his age (20). The good is he's shown really high level of play for stretches... like a good 15 games. Then he hits some walls for sure but the good part is there's plenty of video to watch on his success. I think Thibs is a great fit for RJ. RJ is a going to do anything for Thibs and show up early an stay late.

I also think at some point we trade for an elite player and that trade will include RJ/Mitch and some draft collateral. Likely for Booker (if you are near a wall, duck as Im throwing ****. I am assuming Cousins will be a Knick next year on a 3/$45mm type gig after he proves healthy and keeps his weight way down

I don’t think Boogie is a good fit for Thibs. Or vice versa. Boogie wears his emotion on his sleeve and I don’t think that will fly so well here.

tend to agree but Boogie has been humbled and matured. He's a wildcat and also represents a chance to buy low when it comes to talent and production.

Feel like with Julius and Obi at PF, FO would want a young C who mirrors the type of things Mitch does and brings the defense. Can you upgrade over Nerlens on the offensive end? Sure. Can you match the defense first play? Not so sure with Cousins. Plus Cousins will be 32 next year and really is way outside the age for personnel

3 guys outside of Nerlens who will be UFA's and could probably be signed for MLE or less: Robin Lopez, Richaum Holmes, Daniel Theis.

EwingsGlass wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:All I want out of current roster is for r j to be more consistent.

100% agree. Perspective is his age (20). The good is he's shown really high level of play for stretches... like a good 15 games. Then he hits some walls for sure but the good part is there's plenty of video to watch on his success. I think Thibs is a great fit for RJ. RJ is a going to do anything for Thibs and show up early an stay late.

I also think at some point we trade for an elite player and that trade will include RJ/Mitch and some draft collateral. Likely for Booker (if you are near a wall, duck as Im throwing ****. I am assuming Cousins will be a Knick next year on a 3/$45mm type gig after he proves healthy and keeps his weight way down

I don’t think Boogie is a good fit for Thibs. Or vice versa. Boogie wears his emotion on his sleeve and I don’t think that will fly so well here.

Issue I have with a move like this is why Boogie. I mean if the Knicks FO think that what is keeping us from a deep playoff run is a high level center (which I don't think they do) why Boogie? Drummond is younger and may be worth the extra millions if that is what is really missing. Or what about Vucevic? Although only a couple of years younger, definitely is seen as more skilled and has less emotional baggage. Making $23M over next two years. Would cost some of our extra baggage but if that is all we are missing then... But again, don't think a high level center is what's missing. Nor do I think any of those guys really change the win loss total much over Mitch.

I for one like our roster. Yes it's not eastern conference finals level but for what is available right now and out there, I rather sit tight until a young high level wing becomes available. Ie. Booker. Or just hope we get lucky in the draft with all our picks. Would prefer moving up to pick a high level prospect in what many are saying is a strong draft. Or look to move down to gain value with multiple picks. If we look at this past draft, my desire of trading down would have worked pretty well if we picked up say Bey and Precious instead of Toppin. Not saying that was easy to foresee but saying it's possible.

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martin wrote:

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Knixkik wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Nalod wrote:All good takes.
OP says he had high expectations about RJ justifying his comments.
To me, RJ and Knox keep getting the bar moved higher which messes with them. Knox obviously was not ready for the NBA but would not know this coming out. None of us really know what becomes of him.
Seems like once RJ hits a nice run we try to add something, or he willingly adds something and it sets him back. He has demonstrated from day one a special resiliency to taking his lumps then exceeding the moment. Thus, I too have high hopes for him and when you consider he is just 20 its remarkable. He is built for this. Knox while a good pedigree from his dad as a pro athlete perhaps was not and had work to do.
We forget how crushing the pressure is on these kids.
Which leads us to Frank. Kid had a 4-4 3pt night a game or so before he got hurt. Not saying he was about to break out but he does so many good things already the focus on his deficiencies perhaps jades our view. What we don’t know is really what is the long term view on him and his value. Obviously we are a win now organization and implementing DRose demonstrates this.

I’ll say that Thibs is developing the youth not by giving them minutes but dragging them into the fire and if they can’t handle it then the next guy up will. If not they will get another chance. Franks contract might dictate his time is up and we might just miss his window. Thing is if we do the same thing over the years (AKA: Build a Culture) we will miss on some kids, but we’ll make good on others. This is the third FO in Frank’s tenure here. Sometimes its just being in the right place at the right time. Or visa versa.

So, do you make a QO on Frank Ntlikina at 8.3MM? I honestly might, depending what the word on the street is in free agency and how he finishes this year. I really believe my own Patrick Beverley analogy ($12m per comparatively) and if healthy, I think FN has all the tools to take the starting job from Elf. I'm not at practices or near the game enough to know how he fits with the coaching staff, but that length and that skill set could still be productive. For me, it comes down to whether Ntlikina can crack the rotation with the guards currently in front of him.

Frank has the tools to surpass Elf, but not Quickley and Rose. Frank is #4 on the PG depth chart essentially. I think the Frank hope is coming to an end. The problem is even if he's good enough, he is never healthy to be ready when the opportunity presents itself. He is neither established nor consistently available. Not to say he can't remain here as a depth piece, he's definitely an NBA player and good defensive combo guard. I'll happily resign him on 1-year deals. But i don't see a path to ever being a rotation player here.

You would happily re-sign him..For what..to sit on the bench and collect a check...I would rather re-sign J lin

This kid doesn't even want to do himself any favors with a few wks down in the G league to show what he's got..Frank is officially one of the biggest Draft bust in knicks History.

Since you have positioned yourself as an obvious expert on this, please let us know when would be the right time for Frank to go to the GLeauge this year and at what benefit?

When he was hurt? When he was recovering? Or when he has been in COVID protocol?

At this point it doesn't even matter, he's pretty much irrelevant and his knicks future is very much in doubt. At the end of the day It's obviously his choice to either go to the G league or ask for a trade.

To think Thibs is going to go to leon and ask him to invest more time and money into frank at any cost is about as far fetch as you can get

Frankly, at this point your take on what happens or could happen to Frank is irrelevant. Nice dodge though

Since we are being frank, I might have to update my Frank review. Frankly, his cameo appearance was a revelation. Expectations and hopes for FantasticFrank (credit:Thibs) are soaring... a qualifying offer seems appropriate from that one appearance.