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Knixkik
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2/10/2021  1:01 PM
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:C Robinson/ Noel
PF Randle/ Toppin
SF Bullock/ Kispert
SG Barrett/ Burks
PG Cade / Quickley/ Rose

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2/10/2021  1:01 PM
Knixkik wrote:
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unstopaball12 wrote:Nahhh I feel like we need a better 3 and D guy than Bullock and trade Payton to make rose the starter. Once rose becomes our starting PG abnd we get a better scoring threat than bullock, Randle will be more efficient and rose can drive and dish to Robinson much better

A 3 & D player may help us secure the 8th seed....We need an all-star level wing player that can elevate us into the upper tier in the East (and of course a better pg). When the season began, I hoped we had a shot at solving this issue by having a legit shot at drafting Cade Cunningham or Jonathan Kuminga. Looking like that wont be the case so we may have to explore trades and or free agency....

Danny GReen is a free agent this summer and a better version of Bullock essentially. Then start Quickley and use Rose and Burks as 6th and 7th man.

Disagree. Green is shooting worse from 3 and is not as good as a defender. IMO. And probably the reason he starts for a defensive minded coach. Green Is also 4 years older. I like Bullock's intensity on defense and he clicks in the high 30's every year from 3. Think that is definition of 3 and D.
Unless someone can come up with a better option out there for the same money.

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2/10/2021  1:02 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Uptown wrote:
unstopaball12 wrote:Nahhh I feel like we need a better 3 and D guy than Bullock and trade Payton to make rose the starter. Once rose becomes our starting PG abnd we get a better scoring threat than bullock, Randle will be more efficient and rose can drive and dish to Robinson much better

A 3 & D player may help us secure the 8th seed....We need an all-star level wing player that can elevate us into the upper tier in the East (and of course a better pg). When the season began, I hoped we had a shot at solving this issue by having a legit shot at drafting Cade Cunningham or Jonathan Kuminga. Looking like that wont be the case so we may have to explore trades and or free agency....

Danny GReen is a free agent this summer and a better version of Bullock essentially. Then start Quickley and use Rose and Burks as 6th and 7th man.

Disagree. Green is shooting worse from 3 and is not as good as a defender. IMO. And probably the reason he starts for a defensive minded coach. Green Is also 4 years older. I like Bullock's intensity on defense and he clicks in the high 30's every year from 3. Think that is definition of 3 and D.
Unless someone can come up with a better option out there for the same money.

Yeah i can see that. I was down on Bullock but he's coming around.

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2/10/2021  1:06 PM
Knixkik wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Uptown wrote:
unstopaball12 wrote:Nahhh I feel like we need a better 3 and D guy than Bullock and trade Payton to make rose the starter. Once rose becomes our starting PG abnd we get a better scoring threat than bullock, Randle will be more efficient and rose can drive and dish to Robinson much better

A 3 & D player may help us secure the 8th seed....We need an all-star level wing player that can elevate us into the upper tier in the East (and of course a better pg). When the season began, I hoped we had a shot at solving this issue by having a legit shot at drafting Cade Cunningham or Jonathan Kuminga. Looking like that wont be the case so we may have to explore trades and or free agency....

Danny GReen is a free agent this summer and a better version of Bullock essentially. Then start Quickley and use Rose and Burks as 6th and 7th man.

Disagree. Green is shooting worse from 3 and is not as good as a defender. IMO. And probably the reason he starts for a defensive minded coach. Green Is also 4 years older. I like Bullock's intensity on defense and he clicks in the high 30's every year from 3. Think that is definition of 3 and D.
Unless someone can come up with a better option out there for the same money.

Yeah i can see that. I was down on Bullock but he's coming around.

The other issue seems to be that it was reported that not many teams are sellers this year. Whether its posturing or the truth, we shall see.

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2/10/2021  1:06 PM
The better teams have threats at most if not all the 5 positions. When you have an offensive overload at a few other positions (eg Nets, GS, LAL, LAC) - you can get away with a Mitch/Capella/D.Jordan type of center. We don't have that or are close to that. Mitch has really improved his defense, fouling and overall discipline this season. While I was opposed to the Wiseman poss deals before draft - seeing the difference in watching a rookie C who can shoot outside (enough) would make me want to reconsider. That ship has sailed so the only direction we could go is to hope that Mitch starts shooting something outside of 3 feet. Even Noel has occasionally shot a 10ft baseline jumper. Just that being a possibility would change the attention so the other teams defense doesn't strategically play us a 5 on 4 zone most possessions. Forget the youtube jumpers against smaller guys - all he really needs is to create a threat when he catches the ball within 10 feet of the hoop. Turning and facing up, jump hook or even driving would force defensives to adjust somewhat.
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2/10/2021  1:42 PM
Maybe we need to ask Danny Green if he wants to come here.
Look at Rivers for example. Now lets be straight, he’d likely play better on a better team, right? Not rocket science stuff here.
Ok, role players on good teams play worse when they get here. See the correlation. So we can fawn over some guys but their games drops. We are asking them to step into a bigger role.
Now, if we want them to be the man, like we did Mook, they step up a bit with Volume. Gets complicated now. Randle was still young and emerging.
Mook with Less volume is still ok.

Stay with me. Simple, you can’t just superimpose a guys performance from team to team like a video game.
Chemistry is important. They say a male human brain develops until they are 25. Randle passing game really got good. Its not just about lifting weights and reps. The game is an art form that some develop another sense for. Lebron vs Jordan s more than just physical, there are two very different mindsets. Both brilliant in their own way.

Notice how we complain more after we lose a lead and lose a game. Its like “damn, we were winning and we just need.......”
Especially after we see Olynck and Bam. I’m not going to tell anyone to be happy if they are not, but the notion we can get some players without affecting other things, or windows that won’t open, or “opportunity cost”, which disables the ability to some one thing after another.

We played Miami close in two games. They record does not speak to how good they are. I can’t tell you the future but I’m feeling pretty good about our team and were we are going. I just can’t tell you where that is.

Who’d thunk we’d have a near identical record as the Mav’s after 26 games? Thibs won’t tank but we don’t have to.

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2/10/2021  2:59 PM
martin wrote:
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martin wrote:Mitch needs to figure out his offense and shot and that's purely on him. I'm guessing he didn't work out with a trainer specifically for that; FO/Thibs told us as much.

Knicks also have **** for PGs and wings who know how to find guys at the rim or even run an average effective PnR. We were all SHOCKED when Rose was able to find Obi on his one PnR dunk?

Knicks wings also need to recognize more clearly what type of passes Nerlens can catch, we are like 25 games in and they haven't.

Knicks defense is rockin and hopefully stays stout throughout the year with Mitch and Nerlens anchoring as best they can. Next year those guys get to be incorporated into the O

Some how I feel the coaching staff maybe Holding Mitch back from expanding his game just base on Mitch's deleted tweet, and thibs comment about "we haven't seen nothing yet"

How can he be draining jump shots in an empty gym on IG, and then not even attempt a single shot in a real game

You mean that whack ass high school 3point shots against 5'8" dudes he was doing at the Y or local church gym? You think that translates to the NBA?

Mitch has a hard time hitting his FT's at a decent clip and you expect him to be able to do.... what?


LMAO
I've always secretly admired this thought process that empty gym/edited vids that only show made shots posted on IG or twitter mean anything other than a test of someone's camera quality.
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2/10/2021  3:31 PM
Don't worry guys Bradley Beal is coming soon.

Payton, Knox, Frank, 2021 Dal first round pick, 2023 Knick first rd pick and a couple of second round picks.

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2/10/2021  3:44 PM
This team needs more offense at the 5? You sure that's all they need This is a sub .500 team in the Eastern Conference. What this team needs is two lottery picks in the next lottery and assistant coach to man up and tell Thibs to ease up on Randle's minutes. Maybe do some more PnR with Rose and Mitch/Obi.
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2/10/2021  3:44 PM
jrodmc wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:Mitch needs to figure out his offense and shot and that's purely on him. I'm guessing he didn't work out with a trainer specifically for that; FO/Thibs told us as much.

Knicks also have **** for PGs and wings who know how to find guys at the rim or even run an average effective PnR. We were all SHOCKED when Rose was able to find Obi on his one PnR dunk?

Knicks wings also need to recognize more clearly what type of passes Nerlens can catch, we are like 25 games in and they haven't.

Knicks defense is rockin and hopefully stays stout throughout the year with Mitch and Nerlens anchoring as best they can. Next year those guys get to be incorporated into the O

Some how I feel the coaching staff maybe Holding Mitch back from expanding his game just base on Mitch's deleted tweet, and thibs comment about "we haven't seen nothing yet"

How can he be draining jump shots in an empty gym on IG, and then not even attempt a single shot in a real game

You mean that whack ass high school 3point shots against 5'8" dudes he was doing at the Y or local church gym? You think that translates to the NBA?

Mitch has a hard time hitting his FT's at a decent clip and you expect him to be able to do.... what?


LMAO
I've always secretly admired this thought process that empty gym/edited vids that only show made shots posted on IG or twitter mean anything other than a test of someone's camera quality.

I wasn't the least bit impressed by the Vids, but im kind of surprise why he has zero offense moves in the post, no perimeter shot, and it's been 2+ seasons.

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2/10/2021  3:45 PM
What would everyone actually trade for Oladipo ? Seems like the most gettable 2-way star wing.
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2/10/2021  3:56 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:Mitch needs to figure out his offense and shot and that's purely on him. I'm guessing he didn't work out with a trainer specifically for that; FO/Thibs told us as much.

Knicks also have **** for PGs and wings who know how to find guys at the rim or even run an average effective PnR. We were all SHOCKED when Rose was able to find Obi on his one PnR dunk?

Knicks wings also need to recognize more clearly what type of passes Nerlens can catch, we are like 25 games in and they haven't.

Knicks defense is rockin and hopefully stays stout throughout the year with Mitch and Nerlens anchoring as best they can. Next year those guys get to be incorporated into the O

Some how I feel the coaching staff maybe Holding Mitch back from expanding his game just base on Mitch's deleted tweet, and thibs comment about "we haven't seen nothing yet"

How can he be draining jump shots in an empty gym on IG, and then not even attempt a single shot in a real game

You mean that whack ass high school 3point shots against 5'8" dudes he was doing at the Y or local church gym? You think that translates to the NBA?

Mitch has a hard time hitting his FT's at a decent clip and you expect him to be able to do.... what?


LMAO
I've always secretly admired this thought process that empty gym/edited vids that only show made shots posted on IG or twitter mean anything other than a test of someone's camera quality.

I wasn't the least bit impressed by the Vids, but im kind of surprise why he has zero offense moves in the post, no perimeter shot, and it's been 2+ seasons.

Cause he hasn't stepped up as a professional and done proper offseason training. He physically dominated in life thru high school and didn't learn enough fundamentals. This is the first year he has had a real coaching staff.

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2/10/2021  3:56 PM
Knixkik wrote:What would everyone actually trade for Oladipo ? Seems like the most gettable 2-way star wing.

He hasn't been a star in nearly three years. Just look at his stats. There's a reason he's the most gettable.

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2/10/2021  3:57 PM
Knixkik wrote:What would everyone actually trade for Oladipo ? Seems like the most gettable 2-way star wing.

NOTHING. You sign him into cap space in the offseason.

OR, if you have to, a second round pick protected out to mid 40s.

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2/10/2021  5:21 PM
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:What would everyone actually trade for Oladipo ? Seems like the most gettable 2-way star wing.

NOTHING. You sign him into cap space in the offseason.

OR, if you have to, a second round pick protected out to mid 40s.

disagree... Olidipo is worth controlling. If he bounces back physically he's an all star caliber player. If he doesnt he's good. Having his bird rights is significant and worth controlling if its cost effective.

No FRPs.. he hasnt played well enough, but his potential is there so whoever Hou wants from KK/Frank/Burks/Rivers/Bullock and the Detroit pick and we eat Dipo's remaining salary saving Houston $15mm in salary

Keep him on a minutes restriction of say 28-30 and see how the year goes. Could be an absolute game changer if he bounces back. We still have 2 FRPs for this upcoming draft

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2/10/2021  5:56 PM
unstopaball12 wrote:Nahhh I feel like we need a better 3 and D guy than Bullock and trade Payton to make rose the starter. Once rose becomes our starting PG abnd we get a better scoring threat than bullock, Randle will be more efficient and rose can drive and dish to Robinson much better
Not that I like Payton at all, but do you really trust counting on Rose as your starting PG?
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2/10/2021  6:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2021  6:04 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:Don't worry guys Bradley Beal is coming soon.

Payton, Knox, Frank, 2021 Dal first round pick, 2023 Knick first rd pick and a couple of second round picks.

Beal is playing with equal, if not more, talent in DC than he would be playing with here and the Wizards are one of the worst teams in the league. And you really want to give up all of that for him (mainly the picks and Knox)?

I pass.

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2/10/2021  7:01 PM
Martin- What Mitch is doing all season long is a powerful answer to your critique- I think the FO and Thibs understand 3 things-

#1 Thibs made it very clear early on what Mitch wasn't showing him, and he hasn't said it again since- even with baited media questions- which means Mitch is doing what is asked.
#2 Right away this season with Mitch following his clear limited role he dominates in it
#3 When that is proven and a habit- the raw talent he has is immense and will show itself as his career continues.

I hope for two easy things w Mitch-
He becomes a great free throw shooter. (my dream is he becomes the first underhand shooter since Rick Barry)
The team sets him up for an easy basket with more regularity early in the quarter.

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2/10/2021  7:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2021  7:02 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:Don't worry guys Bradley Beal is coming soon.

Payton, Knox, Frank, 2021 Dal first round pick, 2023 Knick first rd pick and a couple of second round picks.

. Pass. No way the Knicks are giving up their first rounders in this upcoming draft which is very deep. Even 2023 is supposedly a deep class and I believe high school players can declare again bu that time
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2/10/2021  7:56 PM
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:What would everyone actually trade for Oladipo ? Seems like the most gettable 2-way star wing.

NOTHING. You sign him into cap space in the offseason.

OR, if you have to, a second round pick protected out to mid 40s.

Martin agree 100%
Have watched the Rockets second most out of any nba team.
Other than the first couple he’s been very mediocre. He still has the physical explosion and the stats. But he’s completely inefficient in how he gets there. He command 20 shots and doesn’t shoot high %. While I’d be willing to take him with what u said. 2 Nd rd material I think pass otherwise and see what free agency brings

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Need some more offense out of the 5

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