I love Mitch, unless you’re getting back impact talent you don’t make a move. He loses 6-8pts every night because our guards don’t know how to get him the ball. Same goes with Toppin.

We should be resigning him now! Guy can anchor the D, guard the perimeter, is essentially ambidextrous and catches everything in his vicinity (reality check is Nerlens Noel, can jump has energy but can't catch anything)

Of course we should listen to offers and consider a godfather offer but i don't see that happening. Instead we should be thankful to have him, keep him happy, and let's start building and forming an identity with Knicks drafts picks: IQ, RJ, Mitch, with some luck KK and Frank or even Iggy can join the party

ramtour420 wrote:

Chandler wrote:Can't believe what I'm reading. DO we need to revist old threads to remind people what we wanted. A young guy on a reasonable contract who plays D and is improving in pretty much every aspect of his game and we want to trade him???

We should be resigning him now! Guy can anchor the D, guard the perimeter, is essentially ambidextrous and catches everything in his vicinity (reality check is Nerlens Noel, can jump has energy but can't catch anything)

Of course we should listen to offers and consider a godfather offer but i don't see that happening. Instead we should be thankful to have him, keep him happy, and let's start building and forming an identity with Knicks drafts picks: IQ, RJ, Mitch, with some luck KK and Frank or even Iggy can join the party

That's not really accurate. He has only made 1 improvement so far in his career. Not making stupid fouls for no reason. That's it fellows. Free throw shooting? Nope. Any moves in paint? How about try a 3? Nope, nothin. Honestly. He seems fine with himself. I like him onna rookie contract but he better not be asking for no star money. Otherwise Noel can start, serious as a heart attack

I live in Boston so watch livestream games so very often check in on the opposing teams announcers. I have not heard a single team denigrate him. He has amazing hands and footwork. He's so good at it we take it for granted as if that's what's supposed to happen. That is until you see Nerlens who can't catch, takes bad angles on rolls, etc.

He is doing precisely what we want and need. He's not Embiid. He will not get Joel money and I'm fine with that. But compare his game to someone like Capella's and ask who you would rather have. Just go around the league and ask who you would prefer for defensive presence, dirty work stuff.

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Defense can only take you so far as we are witnessing.

I'm seeing the opposite. The defense has helped a less talented roster overachieve. Yes, we could go small ball if we PG and Kahwi. But our best player, Randle, needs rim protection next to him. Yes, I wish Mitch had a stretch game. But, even with his limited range, defense have to take him into account. Teams don't have to take Payton into account which leads to a packed paint.

I definitely don't think we are overachachieing, I picked 37 wins as my predictions.

I thought we under achieved last yr which is why Fiz got fired, Mills got fired and Miller wasn't brought back.

Most of the players that didn't return are all role players on new teams.

I think we’re about where we should be. We are seeing improvements in RJ and a slight value increase in Randle and promise in Quickley. It would be nice if Obi started playing well. Actually, even though his numbers don’t blow you away, I like what we see in Mitch too. He has improved at staying on the court and that is a plus.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we ended the season anywhere from .500 (that’s a stretch though) down to 5-8 games under.

We have a winning record without Noel to, but it goes back to me saying we don't need both..

Mitch, Obi, Frank, Rivers two future 1st picks..For KAT and Culver and they get to swap best pick

Kat make us a contender right out the gate

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:6-2 so far without mitch..

We have a winning record without Noel to, but it goes back to me saying we don't need both..

Mitch, Obi, Frank, Rivers two future 1st picks..For KAT and Culver and they get to swap best pick

Kat make us a contender right out the gate

Why don't you think we need both? Seems like the injuries are proof we need both. Having both means we can continue to play well without missing a beat, like we are now.

Not sure why this is even a thread. Oh yeah, it's a knicks forum, I forgot. Knick fans aren't used to bring in this position called winning. 4th place in the East. We don't know how to act. Now everybody is a GM, trying to make trades lol. Let's trade everybody away that has not contributed to our last few wins. Thats the short minded thinking that got us into this current position of being the laughing stock of the nba for the last 20yrs.

Vs

How can we add to what we have.

Smart moves like trading DSJ for Rose is the thinking we should have and that's the thinking our FO have. Which is why Rivers or knox are on the trading block. Not mitch, who thibs said reminds him of Noah. And he's also much younger and more valuable than Noel. Eventhough Noel's impact on the game might be similar or better. Hes a journey man and mitch is still wet behind the ears.

The FO hasn't let me down yet. So I can't question their decisions so far. Seems like every move or non move has worked out.

knicks1248 wrote:6-2 so far without mitch..

We have a winning record without Noel to, but it goes back to me saying we don't need both..

Mitch, Obi, Frank, Rivers two future 1st picks..For KAT and Culver and they get to swap best pick

Kat make us a contender right out the gate

No he dosent. He’s been a loser for the majority of his NBA career.

Nalod wrote:Minny changed their coach.
KAT reupped verbally his devotion to Minny.
They got him D’angelo Russell to make him happy.
I’d say for a year or two KAT has his own franchise and they are treating him like a star.
You don’t go off making a major franchise shift trade based on 6-2 on a soft part of the schedule.
The recent run is due un part to the infusion of a delicate talent named Rose for someone who was not playing.
Also Frank returned into the rotation and its possible the deletion of Payton.
Yes KAT would be an offensive upgrade. with our back court I doubt it makes us contenders.

I'm down on KAT a bit. Seems like Randle is the PF version of him on offense but is much more impactful on defense. KAT is still a star, but not sure how impactful he is. I guess his shooting and passing would add another layer to the offense, but we definitely wouldn't have the same defense. KAT really got exposed once he had a coach like Thibs who showed him what it take to win, and he decided that wasn't a good fit for him. So he and Russell can enjoy 20-win seasons in minny year after year for all i care.

jrodmc wrote:

TPercy wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:6-2 so far without mitch..

We have a winning record without Noel to, but it goes back to me saying we don't need both..

Mitch, Obi, Frank, Rivers two future 1st picks..For KAT and Culver and they get to swap best pick

Kat make us a contender right out the gate

No he dosent. He’s been a loser for the majority of his NBA career.

And yeah, this is great. Bump your own thread about trading a second round steal because our young, hurt starting center on a cheap contract doesn't hit threes. Notice 1248 never responded to the point that hitting two's at 75% is like hitting threes at 46%. Does Mitch have a deranged brother we don't know about or something?

And KAT probably can't wait to be reunited with Thibs, right? Maybe we can trade RJ and IQ and all our first rounders until 2047 for Jimmy Butler and we can contend while watching KAT and Jimmy fight each other in practice and in games.

Stay tuned, Mitch for KP is coming to a thread near you...

As I posted in another thread - 1248 doesn't seem to factor in / nor understand the concept of salary cap impact in a build process. The production Mitch is currently giving a less than $2M per year - controlled through next season should be highly valued - even with all his warts on offense.

knicks1248 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

TPercy wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:6-2 so far without mitch..

We have a winning record without Noel to, but it goes back to me saying we don't need both..

Mitch, Obi, Frank, Rivers two future 1st picks..For KAT and Culver and they get to swap best pick

Kat make us a contender right out the gate

No he dosent. He’s been a loser for the majority of his NBA career.

And yeah, this is great. Bump your own thread about trading a second round steal because our young, hurt starting center on a cheap contract doesn't hit threes. Notice 1248 never responded to the point that hitting two's at 75% is like hitting threes at 46%. Does Mitch have a deranged brother we don't know about or something?

And KAT probably can't wait to be reunited with Thibs, right? Maybe we can trade RJ and IQ and all our first rounders until 2047 for Jimmy Butler and we can contend while watching KAT and Jimmy fight each other in practice and in games.

Stay tuned, Mitch for KP is coming to a thread near you...

Teams are shoot 40 3 point attempts per game, and best believe it's going to get higher than that.

making 2's over 3's and being the lowest scoring team in the league sounds about right

And while Randle is a better defender than KAT, there's no question that having them both, with the ability to shoot anywhere on the floor, is a bonus.

Your acting like if we trade a role player for a franchise type player it wood be a foolish move.

Yes you keep Mitch if the trade doesn't make us better, but if it does, it should be a no brainer.

https://go.nba.com/779z

Teams are also shooting ~30 3 point attempts per 100 possessions - WHICH NEGATES PACE - and leading the league in wins. Lakers and Philly are in the same margin as the Knicks.

Each team has different players, strengths, pace, style of play. Focusing in on one element dont mean much