Knixkik wrote:Obviously we would rule out top 3. Maybe Chicago considers him, but they probably still prefer Williams. Cleveland and Atlanta positionally don't have a good fit for him. I'd say Detroit would definitely prefer him over Hayes, although i know it's way too soon to tell. And most definitely the Knicks prefer Quickley over Toppin in terms of the future of this team. I'd say Haliburton and Quickley go in the 6-8 range in a re-draft held today. Thoughts?

1. Ball
2. Wiseman
3. Edwards
4. Williams
5. Okoro
6. Haliburton
7. Quickley
8. Maxey
9. Achiuwa
10. Avdija

Wiseman is the best player in the draft thus far. Close second or equal is Haliburton. Ball was the reins for the most part and has the freedom being such a high pick. Has great court vision but 29% from three would have him sitting on pine with most teams. Okoro is the same. Averaging 35 Mpg and only 8 pts. Haliburton is having better numbers than Edwards, Ball and most mentioned. I have to say I was wrong about him. Thought he was too skinny for the NBA. I liked Avdija but he seems like just an okay spot up shooter. Thought he would put the ball on the floor more. Still WAY TOO EARLY to see who was the best pick though. I was right about DSJR the first two years. Now....

HofstraBBall wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Obviously we would rule out top 3. Maybe Chicago considers him, but they probably still prefer Williams. Cleveland and Atlanta positionally don't have a good fit for him. I'd say Detroit would definitely prefer him over Hayes, although i know it's way too soon to tell. And most definitely the Knicks prefer Quickley over Toppin in terms of the future of this team. I'd say Haliburton and Quickley go in the 6-8 range in a re-draft held today. Thoughts?

1. Ball
2. Wiseman
3. Edwards
4. Williams
5. Okoro
6. Haliburton
7. Quickley
8. Maxey
9. Achiuwa
10. Avdija

Wiseman is the best player in the draft thus far. Close second or equal is Haliburton. Ball was the reins for the most part and has the freedom being such a high pick. Has great court vision but 29% from three would have him sitting on pine with most teams. Okoro is the same. Averaging 35 Mpg and only 8 pts. Haliburton is having better numbers than Edwards, Ball and most mentioned. I have to say I was wrong about him. Thought he was too skinny for the NBA. I liked Avdija but he seems like just an okay spot up shooter. Thought he would put the ball on the floor more. Still WAY TOO EARLY to see who was the best pick though. I was right about DSJR the first two years. Now....

Wiseman hasn't been impressive really. He's physically imposing but just got benched because he can't guard anyone. Ball has been the only top 3 pick from this draft to live up to expectations. Obviously it's early though. It's really been Ball, Haliburton, and Quickley in terms of true impact players so far.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Obviously we would rule out top 3. Maybe Chicago considers him, but they probably still prefer Williams. Cleveland and Atlanta positionally don't have a good fit for him. I'd say Detroit would definitely prefer him over Hayes, although i know it's way too soon to tell. And most definitely the Knicks prefer Quickley over Toppin in terms of the future of this team. I'd say Haliburton and Quickley go in the 6-8 range in a re-draft held today. Thoughts?

1. Ball
2. Wiseman
3. Edwards
4. Williams
5. Okoro
6. Haliburton
7. Quickley
8. Maxey
9. Achiuwa
10. Avdija

Wiseman is the best player in the draft thus far. Close second or equal is Haliburton. Ball was the reins for the most part and has the freedom being such a high pick. Has great court vision but 29% from three would have him sitting on pine with most teams. Okoro is the same. Averaging 35 Mpg and only 8 pts. Haliburton is having better numbers than Edwards, Ball and most mentioned. I have to say I was wrong about him. Thought he was too skinny for the NBA. I liked Avdija but he seems like just an okay spot up shooter. Thought he would put the ball on the floor more. Still WAY TOO EARLY to see who was the best pick though. I was right about DSJR the first two years. Now....

Wiseman hasn't been impressive really. He's physically imposing but just got benched because he can't guard anyone. Ball has been the only top 3 pick from this draft to live up to expectations. Obviously it's early though. It's really been Ball, Haliburton, and Quickley in terms of true impact players so far.

On the Deni thing, most Wizards fans believe he can do more. But realistically, how much can you expect to handle the ball when you're on the floor with Westbrook and Beal.

Maybe WAS had intel on the recovery of Wall but there is just noooooooo way I would have traded for Westbrook.

That backcourt is not long for that team, especially Beal. And Westbrook going to have to decide whether he wants $47M on that option year on a ****ty team or opt out and play for a playoff team.

martin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Obviously we would rule out top 3. Maybe Chicago considers him, but they probably still prefer Williams. Cleveland and Atlanta positionally don't have a good fit for him. I'd say Detroit would definitely prefer him over Hayes, although i know it's way too soon to tell. And most definitely the Knicks prefer Quickley over Toppin in terms of the future of this team. I'd say Haliburton and Quickley go in the 6-8 range in a re-draft held today. Thoughts?

1. Ball
2. Wiseman
3. Edwards
4. Williams
5. Okoro
6. Haliburton
7. Quickley
8. Maxey
9. Achiuwa
10. Avdija

Wiseman is the best player in the draft thus far. Close second or equal is Haliburton. Ball was the reins for the most part and has the freedom being such a high pick. Has great court vision but 29% from three would have him sitting on pine with most teams. Okoro is the same. Averaging 35 Mpg and only 8 pts. Haliburton is having better numbers than Edwards, Ball and most mentioned. I have to say I was wrong about him. Thought he was too skinny for the NBA. I liked Avdija but he seems like just an okay spot up shooter. Thought he would put the ball on the floor more. Still WAY TOO EARLY to see who was the best pick though. I was right about DSJR the first two years. Now....

Wiseman hasn't been impressive really. He's physically imposing but just got benched because he can't guard anyone. Ball has been the only top 3 pick from this draft to live up to expectations. Obviously it's early though. It's really been Ball, Haliburton, and Quickley in terms of true impact players so far.

On the Deni thing, most Wizards fans believe he can do more. But realistically, how much can you expect to handle the ball when you're on the floor with Westbrook and Beal.

Maybe WAS had intel on the recovery of Wall but there is just noooooooo way I would have traded for Westbrook.

That backcourt is not long for that team, especially Beal. And Westbrook going to have to decide whether he wants $47M on that option year on a ****ty team or opt out and play for a playoff team.

EwingsGlass wrote:Still too soon to tell, in my opinion. Let me ask a different question.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2005.html

Where does Lou Williams end up in this draft?

About 7 or 8 if you don’t factor in longevity but “peaks”. If you do add in longevity I have him at 5

Also Quickley is more of Billups guard, but that draft talent wise feels about on par with this draft.

Chandler wrote:I would soooo not have Ball at the top. Wiseman looks good but how good i don't know. tantalizing but so was Ayton who is good not a dominant force ala Embid. I would probably have him fist though i could make the case still for Edwards. I've watched a few games of his. He is very quick off the floor and has some wiggle. Right not he's being misued IMO and has stretches of inconsistency but there are times there's no mistaking his talent

I wouldn't be super excited or super super depressed by Williams Okoro or Achiuwa. they're all nice players.

I'm still looong Obi. He has no rhythm at the moment and is playing with too(?) much energy almost. the game will slow down for him and hopefully they can utilize him more in PnR or PnPop. Camping out as a floor spacer is a tough ask

Agree with Edwards. If you only watch just a few plays, you will miss it. I finally watched a long stretch of his games a few times. And when he gets hot from deep, there's nothing you can do. He's more athlete than shooter...but his shooting is not as weak as I thought. I watched him hit 4 straight 3's....and in the same game, dunked on a center with no problem. Sneaky explosiveness, off a crossover move.... He appears to run very hot and probably cold as expected from a rookie. But his highs is all you need to see to say, ok....he's legit.....Low energy will be his biggest weakness.

Knixkik wrote:

Caseloads wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Id put Quickley at NUMBER 3 behind Ball and Wiseman. But hes on the same level as them

Id put Quickley at the level of a burgeoning franchise player. Everything I thought that could be wrong with Quickley was absolute non sense--hes just good, But no one knew Quickley would be this--not even the Knicks.

I am stunned you feel this way Briggs. I think he's a good scorer, but franchise player? wow. The knicks always seem to have a good flash in the pan scorer that then fizzles out.

What flash in the pan scorer have we had like this? Quickley is nothing like Trier and Lin. Fields wasn't a scorer, but a surprising starter who rebounded and played solid D. I don't think we have had a player anything like Quickley's level of scoring from our own draft picks. Am I missing anyone?

I said Fields should be second in a redraft, so Im not calling it this time lol.

Will say that Quickley has great court vision, makes quick decisions, which includes takes to the rim. Isnt afraid to take the big shot. He's getting better at breaking down the defense with his dribble.

Right now he is effectively running the point, while generating offense. How many recent Knicks PGs have managed that? Been a while. More important than draft position IMO, although its an interesting discussion.