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Alonzo is playing good! I think we should pursue him IMHO
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10/29/2004  3:01 PM
it's only taking on 1 more year in guaranteed money...you're making it sound much worse than it really is...imo, the fact that you can still play Vin & KT at the C position make Nazr all the more expendable, & Zo could pay dividends for you if things pan out...& if they don't, no biggie.

as for Houston, i am assuming he'll start the season on the IR since he hasn't even played a pre-season game yet...obviously when he's ready to return he goes back into the rotation.

[Edited by - TMS on 10/29/2004 15:02:54]
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10/29/2004  3:16 PM
Posted by TMS:

it's only taking on 1 more year in guaranteed money...you're making it sound much worse than it really is...imo, the fact that you can still play Vin & KT at the C position make Nazr all the more expendable, & Zo could pay dividends for you if things pan out...& if they don't, no biggie.

as for Houston, i am assuming he'll start the season on the IR since he hasn't even played a pre-season game yet...obviously when he's ready to return he goes back into the rotation.

[Edited by - TMS on 10/29/2004 15:02:54]

No Biggie? Man did u see how Vin Baker looked yesterday? I'm nervous when he's in the game. It's still early to put a finger on Zo, but he's an aggressive guy. It'll be a huge gamble if you ask me because it is still early to determine if Alonzo can keep this physical pace up. I do find it rather amazing that after banging with the best big men of the 90's he isn't breaking down on the court.
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10/29/2004  4:51 PM
I'd rather have Alonzo over Nazr as long as we can be reasonably certain that Zo can give you minutes & produce...i don't see Nazr as ever becoming the defensive force this team needs in the middle...Alonzo can be that if healthy...i'm willing to take the risk if it only means taking on 1 more year of added salary...at the worst, Zo will have to retire due to his kidney ailment, & his salary will be paid by insurance...at best, we'll have a strong defensive presence down low that can help this team to be competitive w/the Pistons, Heat & Pacers in the East.
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10/29/2004  5:13 PM
I'd love to add Alonzo. Trading for him is basically a low-risk high-reward situation. If healthy, he is still one of the better Centers in the NBA and could give us a lot. Of course the million dollar question is can he stay healthy? If the doctors say there is a decent chance that he can, then I would definitely try to get him.
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10/29/2004  5:13 PM
Posted by TMS:

I'd rather have Alonzo over Nazr as long as we can be reasonably certain that Zo can give you minutes & produce...i don't see Nazr as ever becoming the defensive force this team needs in the middle...Alonzo can be that if healthy...i'm willing to take the risk if it only means taking on 1 more year of added salary...at the worst, Zo will have to retire due to his kidney ailment, & his salary will be paid by insurance...at best, we'll have a strong defensive presence down low that can help this team to be competitive w/the Pistons, Heat & Pacers in the East.

Alonzo isn't exactly in his 20s anymore you know. This is going against what most people scream over on this thread. "We want a young athletic big." We should not be worrying about aquiring Alonzo because he wouldn't be a tradeable asset if he fail to want to retire. I'm not sure how his contract looks now, but Nazr is better in my book (Not better skill wise though obviously).
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10/29/2004  7:13 PM
like i said, the contract situation is not that huge of a deal...he has 1 more year remaining than Nazr does...it's not as if i were talking about trading for a Chris Webber type contract here.

anyway, i'm not saying we should be going out of our way to get him...but if the Nets are interested in Nazr, maybe a deal can be struck where the Knicks could squeeze a future draft pick out of the deal as well...we can afford to take the risk...the Nets are in total cost cutting mode, so they may do this.
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10/29/2004  9:15 PM
I hear you. but I honestly don't see the point in doing this. Would you just want to collect on Morning's expiring deal rather than trade him? If we can squeeze a first round pick out tof this then it looks alot better... otherwise I don't think so. Maybe I need to see Morning play to determine if it is better (not that my decision matters).
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10/30/2004  9:12 PM
Sign Alonzo, and start him next to Antonio Mcdyess and Houston. Maybe even ask Larry Johnson to return as a six man. We'll lead the league in cripples on the payroll.
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10/31/2004  9:34 AM
Posted by rojasmas:

Sign Alonzo, and start him next to Antonio Mcdyess and Houston. Maybe even ask Larry Johnson to return as a six man. We'll lead the league in cripples on the payroll.

...yea, and zeke would get gm of the decade....lol
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10/31/2004  10:22 AM
Posted by rojasmas:

Sign Alonzo, and start him next to Antonio Mcdyess and Houston. Maybe even ask Larry Johnson to return as a six man. We'll lead the league in cripples on the payroll.
Exactly. How are we advocating for the type of player that we accused Layden of filling the roster with a few years ago?
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10/31/2004  10:26 AM
Posted by teslawlo:
Posted by rojasmas:

Sign Alonzo, and start him next to Antonio Mcdyess and Houston. Maybe even ask Larry Johnson to return as a six man. We'll lead the league in cripples on the payroll.
Exactly. How are we advocating for the type of player that we accused Layden of filling the roster with a few years ago?
The question is what you're giving up to get those players. Layden gave up a ton for Houston ($100 mil) and a ton for McDyess (Camby, Nene). Here we're talking about trading someone like Shandon for Alonzo. The difference has to do with the balance between what we're getting and what we're giving up.
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10/31/2004  10:29 AM
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[quote]Posted by TMS:

i've proposed Nazr for Zo trades in the past even before we saw him play the way he did the other day, so you know where i stand on that...maybe the Knicks could squeeze out a future draft pick as well if they include some cash considerations?

C - Zo / Baker
PF - KT / Sweetney / JYD
SF - TT / Ariza
SG - Crawford / Penny
PG - Marbury / Brewer / Moochie
IR - Houston / Shandon / Sundov

that's beginning to look more & more like a Knick team that suits this city.

Starting a busted old freak who only got by on his strength and quickness and Houston on the the IR?

Nazr is not that bad, and he's certainly better than Zo. Obviously, we eventually need to upgrade, but trading for Zo would be a panic move. All these people who preach patience and say Layden was stupid for going for Dyess should look at this trade proposal and realize how insane it is.




thats a joke. Alonzo is 5 times the player that Nazr is right now--and the financial risk is limited--lets say we gave NJ 2mm + Nazr for Zo. If Zo's kidney went the wrong way, we lost nazr and 7 mm spread over 3 years. How about we are paying a HEALTHY Andersen more than that this year and for the next 2 years. OK

If Alonzo can continue to give 12-13 points 6 rebounds and 2 blocks in 20 minutes--there will be a NUMBER of teams lining up willing to take the risk. On the other hand Chris Webber has 80mm over 4+ years coming and it said Isiah was still looking at him. What would make more sense to us? If we lost nazr tomorrow to an injury he couldnt comeback from, Id feel bad for the guy but I know it would be a neglible effect to the team.


Of course i think the main LONg term goal is to keep bringing in young players. lets say we use our draft pick[s] on a 6-10+ player and lets say were able to come away with Stromile Swift and a Curtis Bochardt next year--one expensive one cheap-both still young.


That would give us Zo a draft pick Swift Bochardt and Sweetney--perhaps baker as a bench player and get rid of everyone else-including KT-
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10/31/2004  11:34 AM
if it's zo and one of their 3 first rounders for nazr - i'd do it in a heartbeat. same goes for kurt.
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10/31/2004  11:49 AM
on 2nd thought - F ZO!

this guy just had a transplant, 100 mil in the bank, and the most important thing - WIFE AND CHILDREN and b/c of his low self esteem or selfishness, he's decided to play again putting his health and life at risk? forget him - he's an idiot. this isn't about him anymore, he has to make choices for his family and he made the wrong one. i loved him as a player and competitor but i don't care if he comes in and gives us 20 & 10 - his reason for playing now is just unjustifiable to me. and he's now complaining about management for not making the team a contender? where the hell is his head at?

sorry fellas, i pass on ZO...
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10/31/2004  1:50 PM
you're calling him selfish for trying to come back & fulfill the terms of the contract he signed?
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10/31/2004  3:31 PM
Posted by TMS:

you're calling him selfish for trying to come back & fulfill the terms of the contract he signed?

Selfish for what--trying to live his life the way he wants to? You only have 1 life--sean elliot played for 2 years after surgery and had no problems. hey better lance armstrong was 1-2 weeks fom dying and came back and won 7 tour de france. Zo has the best doctors in the world and he isnt stupid.

zo is a warrior, thats his mentality and I would say thats the kind of guy i would LOVE to start a franchise with at a young age. the guy is undersized[really about 6-9] and look at his cAreer stats/


HEY DO YOU GUYS KNOW WE ALMOSTED TRADED OAKLEY AND MASON FOR ZO? almost:>)
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10/31/2004  4:20 PM
hey, you're all entitled to your opinion and i'm entitled to mine. all i know is that this guy has a wife and kids and everytime he gets out on the floor, he's putting his life at risk - a risk he doesn't need to be taking. so i'm calling him selfish b/c he's only thinking about himself and not his wife and kids. that's all.

in an interview, he said his family didn't want him to play b/c of their own "selfish" reasons. i couldn't believe what i heard. their selfish reasons is for him to be a husband and a father.

hey, sportswise it's a great story and he's a warrior. i've always loved his work ethic and the way he accomplished so much for someone with limited talent BUT, again, IN MY OPINION, i think the reasons for remaining off the court FAR OUTWEIGH his reasons for being on the court.

free country, he's free to do what he wants, but that's a risk i wouldn't take as an owner no matter how much i want to win and it's a risk i would never take as a player b/c i have to answer to others (wife and kids) now.
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10/31/2004  8:23 PM
that would qualify every race car driver, every bull rider, every motorcross biker, every stuntman, every police officer, fireman, soldier, & any other occupation where you put your life on the line as being selfish too i suppose...but i don't see it that way...most of these people (w/the exception of soldiers in some cases) chose their paths in life because it's what they love to do...Zo is no different...his wife & kids all accept the fact that basketball is his passion in life i'm sure...if he is doing what he loves to do, who are we to judge? i think it would be selfish of his family to prevent him from doing what he loves to do most in life if he still has the physical ability to do it & he takes reasonable precautions towards his health...but this is a debate w/no end, so i'll just say this is all my own opinion & we can agree to disagree on this one.
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11/1/2004  8:32 AM
Posted by TMS:

that would qualify every race car driver, every bull rider, every motorcross biker, every stuntman, every police officer, fireman, soldier, & any other occupation where you put your life on the line as being selfish too i suppose...but i don't see it that way...most of these people (w/the exception of soldiers in some cases) chose their paths in life because it's what they love to do...Zo is no different...his wife & kids all accept the fact that basketball is his passion in life i'm sure...if he is doing what he loves to do, who are we to judge? i think it would be selfish of his family to prevent him from doing what he loves to do most in life if he still has the physical ability to do it & he takes reasonable precautions towards his health...but this is a debate w/no end, so i'll just say this is all my own opinion & we can agree to disagree on this one.

you're right but this is just two ways to look at it. but most of those people need to work to support their families. this guy already has 100 mil in the bank. the only reason he's out there is b/c he wants to play. i can't argue with his decision and his choices. i just feel that in his situation, which is different than most, he made a decision for the sole purpose of satisfying himself.
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11/5/2004  7:39 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/249636p-213784c.html

Sources: Zo wants buyout

Doubts Nets can win ring

BY OHM YOUNGMISUK
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER


Alonzo Mourning hints at wanting to join Shaquille O'Neal and Miami Heat.

CHICAGO - Obsessed with winning a championship, Alonzo Mourning has been trying to negotiate a buyout with the Nets to join a team with a better chance of winning a title, according to four league sources.

However, both parties are millions apart from coming to an agreement. Mourning has more than $17 million and three years left on a fully guaranteed contract. Two sources said Mourning would be willing to give up perhaps a few million knowing that if he were set free, he likely would command only the 10-year veteran's minimum of $1.1 million for one season from any other team.


No team is willing to risk any more money on a 34-year-old center who underwent kidney transplant surgery last December. And that is the reason why a trade is unlikely. Mourning might even be willing to do a buyout similar to the one Eddie Robinson agreed to with the Bulls for $10.5 million of the $14.1 million remaining on Robinson's contract.


The Nets, however, would buy Mourning out only if the center was willing to surrender millions more, according to three sources.


After signing Mourning to a four-year contract worth $22.6 million two summers ago when other teams were afraid of his deteriorating kidney condition, the Nets don't see any reason why they should pay him to play for somebody else. The Nets did just that with Dikembe Mutombo, buying out Mourning's pal last preseason for $27 million of the $37 million remaining on his contract.


However, the Nets do have some incentive for buying out Mourning. Besides the fact that Mourning consistently has criticized management and ownership's offseason moves, the Nets can rid themselves of further risk with Mourning's health.


If Mourning plays more than 10 games this season and then suffers a rejection of his new organ (Mourning says there is a 30% chance of that for transplant patients) or an injury in the future, the Nets are not eligible to take his salary off their cap next summer, according to a league source.


After Wednesday's loss to the Heat, Mourning said he was uncertain about how long he would be a Net. While president Rod Thorn could not be reached about a buyout, he was asked earlier yesterday about Mourning's postgame comments.


"To speculate on who may be (here) or who may not be is an exercise in futility," Thorn said. "We expect him to be here, but you never know."


Mourning's agent, Jeff Wechsler, did not return phone calls. Mourning also could not be reached as he traveled with the team to Chicago last night.


"They are going to pay him the money either way," one source said. "After 10 games, he is on the cap forever."


While Mourning's contract is guaranteed, the Nets were hoping that he would not attempt a comeback so they could take his salary off the cap.


"They were hoping that he would quit," one team source said. "But let's look at the list of things that he has quit in his life. After having surgery, people said (his basketball career) should be over. Did he quit? No."


Mourning, who was cleared by doctors to play, wants to win a championship so badly that he returned to basketball despite the objections of his family and friends.


However, Mourning - one of the most charitable players in the league - is not willing to give up several million dollars to leave the Nets because of his health.


Mourning has said that the longest a transplant patient has survived after surgery is "38, 39 years." There is a chance that the kidney disease he was diagnosed with in 2000 (focal segmental glomerulosclerosis) can afflict his new organ as well.


Mourning looked good in his return, scoring seven points and grabbing five rebounds in 14 foul-plagued minutes against Miami. He can help the undersized Nets this season. And the Nets have been happy to help Mourning raise awareness and funds for kidney research, even donating $25,000 to "Zo's Fund for Life" on Wednesday.


But the Nets aren't contending for a championship anytime soon. And that is why Mourning would like to part ways now. After the Nets' 100-77 loss to Miami, Mourning talked at length about how his old team could use a capable backup for Shaquille O'Neal.


When asked if Miami could use Mourning, the center replied: "I'm not saying that. You said that. All I know is they are a team that is extremely vulnerable."


"I'm still extremely optimistic of the chances of the team (Nets)," added Mourning, who still has a home in Miami. "But I don't know where my tenure lies here. I really don't, to tell you the truth. Time will dictate all that."







DONE DEAL: The Nets and Lawrence Frank finalized his contract extension yesterday, which is believed to be for four years and $10 million.


"This is a great day for us," Thorn said.


Yesterday's announcement was reflective of Frank's low-key character. He negotiated the extension without an agent, and his wife didn't attend the news conference.


"I'm extremely grateful for what the organization has done for me, but I don't like to make it bigger than it really is," Frank said. "The focus shouldn't be on me."



Darren Everson


Originally published on November 5, 2004
Alonzo is playing good! I think we should pursue him IMHO

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