oh.. sorry, I think most have been address but here we go

2. For all the articles in the paper about Penny being ready
to step it up, feeling good, and no pain, well, I'll believe it
when I see it, and I want to believe it. He still looks slow.

3. All you Houston haters better check yourselves, cause if
Houston doesn't come back this team is going nowhere. Crawford
is not ready for a starting role. After all we've heard
the last weeks about his shot selection, why is it still so bad?
It was terrible tonight. And we NEED some shooting!

4. Tim Thomas has still not shown up. What you don't see in the
box score is that he had 2 air balls from about 6-10 ft out, and
another barely hitting front rim. That said, Ariza still needs
lots of development before he'll be ready to content for the spot.

5. Moochie is not as bad a backup as some have made him out to be.
Overpaid? Yes.

6. Nazr is NOT a starting center. Defense consists of fouling
opponent. Box score is generous to him offensively. I'd like
to see more of Baker, cuz we're going nowhere with this cat.
He just doesn't have what it takes.

2: Penny has played VERY well in most off the games so far. He's been solid on defense and has done a great job on the boards as well. We are talking about 15-20 minutes a game at the most.. He hasnt looked slow to me at all. He cant jump, but he's got some good quickness and has handled the ball very well. He's also given them some nice scoring as he's usually with a unit that doesnt score much (Jerome, Ariza, Brewer)

3: I'm one of the bigger H2O supporter around here. I think Crawford has a lot of maturing to do at 24, but the kid's got some serious skills and some serious hops. Anyone that says something like we are better without Houston is just nuts. I do think H20 is probably best off the bench at this point however.. especially when Marbs or TT is out of the game. Shooting = huge

4: I'm reserving judgement on TT. He needs to board more, but even after a slow start he averaged 16/5 in his 24 games as a Knick. Thats hardly garbage. If we could something like 13/7 while shooting about 47-48% I think thats great for this team.

5:Moochie should go. After Marbury I would rather see Crawford and Penny PG. I dont understand the Brewer experiment either.

6:Nazr is a role player. Its no secret we need an athletic 5 that can block shots and we dont have that now. Last year he did a good job getting garbage points and rebounds on put backs and just following Marbs to the basket. We need more of that, and we havent really seen it so far this preseason. Either way both players are clearly stop gap fits until we can get a better 5.

1) Sweetney was the focal point of the Knicks offense in the 4th, and they won the game behind him. He was able to draw a foul while constantly double teamed in the post and also made a few smart passes. His rebounding in traffic is great.

2) Penny looks old and slow, but he's extremely smart, and a fantastic midrange shooter. He also runs the break well for a slow guy.

3) Crawford will be hot and cold. The difference between him being a scorer and him being an all-star will be consistancy and shot selection. His defense on Mercer was wretched. Houston will be welcomed back, but I'm not ready to start Houston right away. He needs to prove he can handle starters minutes first. Otherwise, Crawford is the present and the future.

4) Tim Thomas has played extremely well. It's the PRE-season and you'll notice he's not demanding a lot of shots, but converting the ones he gets. Tim will be fine. He's the second most important player on this team behind Marbury as of right now. Craw or Sweets or even Ariza may displace him from the role one day, til then its Tim.

5) Moochie is a scrappy scorer, Brewer is a scrappy defender. Put them together and you get one Frank Williams.

6) Nazr looked extremely good last night. He ran the break well, played D, drew fouls. I'm not sure we were watching the same game on this one. I think Nazr is fine until we get an upgrade.

I hope Sammy Dalambert comes off the bench all year in Philly and the Knicks can sign him for the MLE this summer...

"I hope Sammy Dalambert comes off the bench all year in Philly and the Knicks can sign him for the MLE this summer..."

not a chance... Briggs is right that SD will get a $10mm a year offer, and it should be from us.

If I am Isiah the first person I call is Sam's agent and offer him a 6 year deal starting at $8-$9mm. Something like what Okur got.

You send them Tim Thomas (in his walk year) and the rights to whoever we draft with our #1 for Dalember, Tod MacCullogh's contract and Phili's second rounder. Then you use your MLE to give Ariza an extension and lock up his bird rights. Hopefully something modest like 3 years $7mm. Then the following year you just let Penny walk into the sunset and cut the $15mm off your payroll.

You look something like this:
Marbury
Houston/Crawford
Ariza/Penny
KT/Sweetney/JYD
Dalembert/Baker/Nazr

Guys you must really be drinking the Kool-Aid,
or indeed we were not watching the same game.
Everyone keeps talking about how athletic we've gotten,
well there was not much evidence of it last night.
Nazr is a spaz. TT is not driving or putting on any moves.
Craw was just chucking up off balance bombs.

Miami traded their whole front court for Shaq.
Sh*t, I'd trade our whole starting front court for Ben Wallace.

And there were more Knicks airballs last night then I EVER
remember seeing in a Knicks game!


[Edited by - panos on 10/27/2004 20:49:31]

Whoa... Penny? Fantastic mid-range shooter? That's news to me. I think Penny's strength is his overall offensive versatility. His jumper is hot and cold--- he don't get a consistent arc on his shot (watch for it--- sometimes the trajectory is very flat), which makes him a poor spot up shooter. He's best when he's able to mix it up a little, score on a post up, get a basket on a drive, a jumper here or there. He's more of a guy who relies more on feel than pure touch. (typical nba-style wing)

Once the regular season comes along, TT is the logical choice as the Knicks' ball distributor in the paint--- he passes well, he sees over most defenders, and has more than enough quickness for moves in the post. He's never been able to sustain #2-man status on any teams he's been on in the past--- and if he does it on the Knicks, it'll be a first for him.

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2) Penny looks old and slow, but he's extremely smart, and a fantastic midrange shooter. He also runs the break well for a slow guy.

3) Crawford will be hot and cold. The difference between him being a scorer and him being an all-star will be consistancy and shot selection. His defense on Mercer was wretched. Houston will be welcomed back, but I'm not ready to start Houston right away. He needs to prove he can handle starters minutes first. Otherwise, Crawford is the present and the future.

4) Tim Thomas has played extremely well. It's the PRE-season and you'll notice he's not demanding a lot of shots, but converting the ones he gets. Tim will be fine. He's the second most important player on this team behind Marbury as of right now. Craw or Sweets or even Ariza may displace him from the role one day, til then its Tim.

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